The Saddening, Dangerous Remarks of Franklin Graham

[MaryandJoseph]

For some, Franklin Graham might be a bit “out there” with his remarks, but he might just be speaking for alot of people who choose not to speak because of appearing UNpc and the ever present fear of lawsuits-huge fines-loosing their livelihood.

I stood on the side of the road as a fallen Hero from the Chattanooga shooting was passing by on his final earthly trip to the National Cemetery. My heart was heavy and I could not stop crying, as most of us who came out to honor our brave Marine. Instead of reading about terrorist acts in some far away city, this happened in MY home town of Chattanooga TN, not more then 4 blocks from where my husband worked.

Franklin Graham and Donald Trump, whether they are liked or not, just may be brave enough to speak the truth about what is happening and that is rattling alot of cages.

 

[Adam95]

It is contrary to the Constitution, at least the way it has been interpreted by the courts, in that no federal immigration law can involved religious discrimination.

The US Constitution was meant to protect US citizens. If the courts interpret the constitution in ways that run contrary to this end, then the courts are wrong, as they usually are these days.

 

[Adam95]

How big do you think the threat is from Muslim immigrants?

I don’t know. I do know that if there is a threat, limiting or temporarily suspending immigration would be an effective means of reducing the threat. I’m not sure I would support Graham’s proposal, but I don’t think it comes from xenophobia or hate. It is a rational thought, and there is no need to slander Graham if one disagrees.

 

[Mongo]

I don’t see any problem with what he said, I agree with it.

To the person that referenced Christians killing abortion doctors as a form of terrorism. The number of abortionists killed by Christians in the last fifty years can probably be counted on one hand. It isn’t comparable. It isn’t even an issue. On the other hand, Muslims who believe in the use of violence to impliment sharia law or in the face of a perceived offense against Mohammed is a significant proportion of the Muslim population.

 

[utah_rose]

I think it’s a little more complicated than that. You might peruse the article “How Release of Mental Patients Began” by Richard D Lyons Published in October of 1984–you can find it online at the NY Times website.

The peace of Christ,
Mark

Problem now is patients rights! Even a psychiatrist would have difficulty getting a mental patient admitted today, unless the person admits themselves. Therefore you see a lot of people mentally disturbed in one way or another on these shooting sprees. Mental health issues need to be addressed in this country, but sadly after every incident it’s ignored.

 

[Sparkythedog]

I don’t know. I do know that if there is a threat, limiting or temporarily suspending immigration would be an effective means of reducing the threat. I’m not sure I would support Graham’s proposal, but I don’t think it comes from xenophobia or hate. It is a rational thought, and there is no need to slander Graham if one disagrees.

Just a rough guess. How many people are killed or even harmed by Muslim immigrants each year?

 

[BackHand]

Every time someone kills an abortion doctor. A few other occurrences, as well. Christian terrorism is very much a thing although its far less common and is usually a lone wolf act.

One would expect more Christian terrorism in a Christian majority nation, however there have been eight deaths from abortion clinics being attacked.
Eight. In the entire history of America, Eight people have been killed from abortion attacks.

Muslim terrorism in the U.S.
thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm

3,106 killed by Muslims in America in 75 terror attacks.

 

[Pulvis]

Franklin Graham at least has the fortitude to speak out. Are all Muslims to be painted with the same brush? No. But how can we tell, by what test or questionnaire, by what visible sign, can we know who is a terrorist and who is peaceful? A temporary moratorium would be a good idea for now. But it will not happen.
Actually Obama has signed the US into an UN agreement to resettle 10’s of thousands of Syrian refuges into the US. Trey Gowdy is fighting the plans to settle thousands into the upstate of South Carolina. As I understand it, most of those will NOT be Syrian Christians.
Obama made one promise when he was running for election the first time that he actually kept; He promised to fundamentally change the US. He is succeeding.

 

[meltzerboy]

Franklin Graham at least has the fortitude to speak out. Are all Muslims to be painted with the same brush? No. But how can we tell, by what test or questionnaire, by what visible sign, can we know who is a terrorist and who is peaceful? A temporary moratorium would be a good idea for now. But it will not happen.
Actually Obama has signed the US into an UN agreement to resettle 10’s of thousands of Syrian refuges into the US. Trey Gowdy is fighting the plans to settle thousands into the upstate of South Carolina. As I understand it, most of those will NOT be Syrian Christians.
Obama made one promise when he was running for election the first time that he actually kept; He promised to fundamentally change the US. He is succeeding.

No, Obama did not keep his promise. We still have the same intolerance and wariness of immigrants as we have always had since the formation of our country.

 

[AbideWithMe]

No, Obama did not keep his promise. We still have the same intolerance and wariness of immigrants as we have always had since the formation of our country.

True. It used to be called nativism, and I’ll bet just about every American person here has some immigrant ancestors who were once held in great suspicion on the basis of race or religion.

 

[silver_moon]

1. The country has not declared a war since 1941 (probably because the Congress would never agree) but we are definitely fighting.

2). How much of that mental illness stems from the drug culture that has become more and more acceptable?

ICXC NIKA

Alcohol and other drugs fuel a lot of it. My understanding is these factors raise the risk that a person is violent:

1. male gender
2. untreated substance abuse problem
3. untreated mental illness
4. history of violence

With police shootings a concern, there are estimates that over half involve untreated mental illness: tacreports.org/storage/documents/2013-justifiable-homicides.pdf

I have bipolar and am in treatment. People who are doing well and complying don’t make the news. Those who are doing badly and violent to others or themselves get publicity. I do support involuntary treatment of psychiatric conditions and drug abuse. But there has to be enough money.

Also, the newer medications mean many people don’t need long-term institutionalization. But people do need to be realistic about illness and treatment, along with the fact that drug addiction makes everything worse.

 

[GEddie]

If it is illegal to restrict immigration based on religion, barring entrants from certain nationalities would have the same effect.

ICXC NIKA

 

[silver_moon]

I agree. How often do you hear of Episcopalian extremists, Murderous Methodists, Kamikaze Catholics, Pernicious Presbyterians, Luciferian Lutherans. or Inglorious Baptists going around killing people in the name of their religion?

I’m 46 and grew up in the USA during the Troubles. I have an Irish maiden name and ancestry. The last thing my family would do is support terror - although some people in the US did, apparently. I was asked if I was a terrorist/had terrorist sympathy in 1991 by someone who was considering me as a roommate. It seemed like the coverage was never-ending but with peace it’s much better (and I hope it stays that way).

 

[Pulvis]

No, Obama did not keep his promise. We still have the same intolerance and wariness of immigrants as we have always had since the formation of our country.

Well you are somewhat correct. Many settlers were killed by native Americans. Then of course the puritans were not known for their tolerance, they attacked and even killed some baptists in new england. When the irish and italians started coming in they were treated as sub human papists. There has always been some group which took a couple of generations to assimilate into society. I do not argue that. My point is that Obama is fundamentally changing the societal makeup by allowing uncontrolled border immigration along with bringing in large numbers of muslim immigrants which in just a few years will drastically change the demographics of the US. To what end, i have no idea. But it is being done.