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tommiatkins
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The same god?
Assuming that there is a deity, then we would have to look at its traits.
Jesus and yahweh share very little in traits. Yahweh was a genocidal, psychopathic monster bent on destruction and jelousy.
The concept of Jesus needed to plug into something more humane for his age, and apart from piggybacking on an established religion can be considered seperatly. Its very hard to start up a new deity, far easier to simply reinterprete ones that are already bought into by the masses.
Mohammed likewise had to piggyback off yahweh, but Allahs Traits are more aloof and robotic. He “plots” and Laughs at the misery of mankind, and thats quite like Yahweh, but a lot of Yahwehs hissy fit toddeler tantrums are dispensed with in favor of a more nationalsocialistic untouchable pompousness.Jesus however was very much the “down with da kidz” deity.
I’m not saying theres no overlap, all three share the needy cringing devotion-grabbing traits, and all three are prompt to being ticked off by humans and being shamed into changing their omnipotent minds at the drop of a hat.
Its a toughie, but they are clearly either seperate gods or multiply personality disordered.
The other , and rather saner, option is that they simply reflect the personality of their creators writing at the time they were created. 2300BC 80 AD and 630 AD
Assuming that there is a deity, then we would have to look at its traits.
Jesus and yahweh share very little in traits. Yahweh was a genocidal, psychopathic monster bent on destruction and jelousy.
The concept of Jesus needed to plug into something more humane for his age, and apart from piggybacking on an established religion can be considered seperatly. Its very hard to start up a new deity, far easier to simply reinterprete ones that are already bought into by the masses.
Mohammed likewise had to piggyback off yahweh, but Allahs Traits are more aloof and robotic. He “plots” and Laughs at the misery of mankind, and thats quite like Yahweh, but a lot of Yahwehs hissy fit toddeler tantrums are dispensed with in favor of a more nationalsocialistic untouchable pompousness.Jesus however was very much the “down with da kidz” deity.
I’m not saying theres no overlap, all three share the needy cringing devotion-grabbing traits, and all three are prompt to being ticked off by humans and being shamed into changing their omnipotent minds at the drop of a hat.
Its a toughie, but they are clearly either seperate gods or multiply personality disordered.
The other , and rather saner, option is that they simply reflect the personality of their creators writing at the time they were created. 2300BC 80 AD and 630 AD
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R_not
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No. They assert they are, but you really need to understand and know your own God which I assume is the God of the Jews and Christians, and also their allah which is a mishmash of mohammed’s pagan religion’s god, and his wish that the Jews and Christians would accept allah as the same god during his time by his throwing in some Bible stories - of which he screwed up because he did not know those stories and was illiterate and could not read them either. the way to know their allah is to read the koran.
islam is also mohammed’s personality in his god/religion. mohammed was a paranoid, self-absorbed, hateful of women, and overly sexed, greedy man who probably had something such as temporal lobe epilepsy. (read, ‘Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography’).
While jihadists torture, enslave, rape, kidnap, steal from, lie to, and kill infidels in over 30 areas around this globe - some muslims we call ‘moderates’ try to tell us how peaceful islam is. And when we read the koran we find that jihadists only do what mohammed did. And the ‘moderates’ are deceiving us too and that is indeed sanctioned in the koran.
The facade for them is peacefulness. Underneath is intolerance and their only way to accept us as in a peace is by killing, converting or subjugating us.
islam is also mohammed’s personality in his god/religion. mohammed was a paranoid, self-absorbed, hateful of women, and overly sexed, greedy man who probably had something such as temporal lobe epilepsy. (read, ‘Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography’).
While jihadists torture, enslave, rape, kidnap, steal from, lie to, and kill infidels in over 30 areas around this globe - some muslims we call ‘moderates’ try to tell us how peaceful islam is. And when we read the koran we find that jihadists only do what mohammed did. And the ‘moderates’ are deceiving us too and that is indeed sanctioned in the koran.
The facade for them is peacefulness. Underneath is intolerance and their only way to accept us as in a peace is by killing, converting or subjugating us.
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tommiatkins
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All completly true and all equally applicible to Christianity.
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R_not
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SOrry, but this is the same mantra the left uses when they want to bash Christianity - to make some parallel to islam. It shows a lack of knowledge about the basics of both and the lack of knowledge about history.
Ok, bring up the same stories that have been discussed time and again - the Crusades, the Inquisition, blah blah blah. We have gone over these on other threads in such detail that some of us are getting tired of it, and I will point out websites to you that you won’t read.
go for it - if you make an assertion back your assertion up with examples and websites and let us go over the same ground we have in so many other threads.
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tommiatkins
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Mohammeds Voices, Abrahams Voices, Pauls Voices; all pretty much the same.
Actually, saying that, I would question Mohammeds. Sure he dribbled and shook and sweated when “god” was speaking to him, but the bandity and the nights journey and the special exemption hadiths affecting himself and his sexual behaviour all point towards the revalations being much more from a malevonent oppotunistic personality.
Abe snapping out of it just before issac or ishmaels death on the slaughtering block read far more as genuine mental illness.
Large chunks of the Bible are also revisionist history justifying the actions of the current leaders. Need lebensraum? Then God himself has given you someone else’s land. Isnt that nice of him! Go and ethnicly cleanse everything that breaths in jesus’s name amen.
Actually, saying that, I would question Mohammeds. Sure he dribbled and shook and sweated when “god” was speaking to him, but the bandity and the nights journey and the special exemption hadiths affecting himself and his sexual behaviour all point towards the revalations being much more from a malevonent oppotunistic personality.
Abe snapping out of it just before issac or ishmaels death on the slaughtering block read far more as genuine mental illness.
Large chunks of the Bible are also revisionist history justifying the actions of the current leaders. Need lebensraum? Then God himself has given you someone else’s land. Isnt that nice of him! Go and ethnicly cleanse everything that breaths in jesus’s name amen.
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R_not
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mohammed is the character that muslims follow. mohammed stole, lied, enslaved and raped those slaves, tortured and killed and the muslims to this day follow that example.
Abraham is not the one that we follow. What we do is read an accounting of what Abraham did - whether it was right or wrong - we do not follow what Abraham did. OH!! HE DIDN’T KILL HIS SON!! And neither do we - and if we do - our Judeo-Christian laws know to take the perpetrators of those types of crimes and give them a trial and put them in jail. Sharia law says it is ok to do those things against women, or infidels.
If they do it against their women all the man has to claim is that it is an ‘honor killing’, if they do it against infidels - well, since they consider infidels less that pigs, dogs and feces - so what!?! In fact, if they die killing infidels they are considered martyrs and get to enjoy some sort of lusty paradise - and name their relatives as saved, hence why all the celebrating, dancing and ulalating when one of theirs dies killing infidels.
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morning_star777
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U are wrong.their voices aren’t same.when paul or abraham taught killing or violence?but from koran we gave lots of verses as references,that verses ordered muslims to kill the NON BELIVERS where ever they found.but if they will convert or pay jizyah then koran also say not to kill them.those references from sura:9; convert or pay or die!
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tommiatkins
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Actually Muslims follow Allah. yeah yeah, Mo made allah up. Or simply “arabised” yahweh with a few add ons and customs to fit the paganism of the people, right down to using their polytheistic black box and stones.
Yahweh /jesus said to stone the adultress and the kid who badmouths the parent, to kill the rape victim if they are raped in a town, to exterminate every living thing in your enemies lands, or if you prefer the contradictory text to kill the men and enslave and rape the women.
Sure,none of that applies to christians, because God sent himself to let people know that he hadnt changed these laws one iota, but to …ummm…“fullfil” them.
Nowadays, outside Africa , the Balkans, Northen ireland, Georgia and a few dozen other christian countries, christianity dosnt use the hateful genocidal verses. Whoop de doo, humanity triumphs over Gods word.
Abe diddnt kill his son. God simply commanded it, (a totally evil command-and clearly a wrong one to give) then changed his omipotent mind. then later he killed himself to save us from his own wrath, which makes acres of sense.
Direct killing by Jesus only amounts to 30 million odd people in repeated slaughters from the infants of egypt to The flood and the kids who mocked elishas receeding hairline. (a worthy moral tale indeed!)
The whooping of westerners when a Mk83 explodes on a insurgant base as the “ragheads” are “wasted” i’m sure we have all seen.
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Actually, Jesus stopped a stoning. mohammed ok’d them. And no one in Judaism has stoned anyone in millenium.
Jesus did indeed give us a few laws - ‘To love God and to love our neighbor as ourselves’. I don’t recall that he told us to stone anyone, or I don’t recall anyone being happy that a bunch of muslims have died because they have caused the violence and levy violence against others - even their own.
Individuals might have laughed - but there is no indication in the Bible that Jesus said to do that - or even in the Old Testament. The majority of us do not laugh over death.
As for your thoughts about the Old Testament - I would say that the ability to recognize the telling of history and the ordering of people to do things are different.
You will have to give better examples than you have done in order to address your problems. You generalize and over simplify things and I have no idea what you are talking about in most cases. Yes, that means you will have to do some research in order for me to understand what you are talking about. give me passages of what you are talking about.
If you want to read about mohammed and allah, there are some good articles in faithfreedom.org Go to this website and scroll down and click on ‘Articles’ and you will find some articles to read. The articles cover many subjects.
here is a good website for what would mohammed do in situations:
thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/WWMD.htm
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dolphinlove
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Its actually one big black stone, but im not here to nit pick…
oh boy, you have got this so wrong i dont know where to begin. Firstly Jesus did NOT, i repeat, did NOT have the ‘adulterer’ stoned, he actually said he who is without sin to cast the first stone, and Jesus said this knowingly that they are all sinners, and noone threw a stone, and then said to her, go ahead and sin no more. Now where did he order stoning here? Where did he order someone killed here?
As for the rest of your mish mash, i think what i just said displays what a loving and caring God we have, he did not order murder and rape.
Have you even read the bible, because you have a BIG misunderstanding of the bible.
You have no idea of why God did what he did, and when you ‘attempt’ to bring it up, its from your ideas, not what it actually says in the bible.
I suggest you go read the bible, and then come back with a clearer and better understanding of what it actually says.
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tommiatkins
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Religionofpeace.com is already in my favorites, but thanks for the link anyway.
Abe diddnt pass down any laws of note. The laws of the OT are attributed to Moses. God even carved them onto rock slabs with his own hand, taking curiously exactly the same time a geriatric old man up a mountain would take to do it,allowing for breakages
Mohammed was commanded by his voices to kill the infidel. Jesus commanded Moses to do the same, right down to the last sheep belonging to them. Thats total genocide.
The actual human “Jesus” diddnt stone the adultress, although he was technically the only person present without sin. So he had to break his own law that he gave to moses. still if you cant change your mind when your God in car nate then when can you change your mind?
It’s almost as if the first lot of laws he came out with were lousy. Hey nevermind, you cant always get it right and nobodys perfect,eh?
It’s a good job he arrived to top himself to save us from himself or we would be in big trouble . I mean, the human rights act, the childrens act, NGO agencies and social welfare. All of those pale into insignificance against gods laws like “Have a kip on sunday”
Abe diddnt pass down any laws of note. The laws of the OT are attributed to Moses. God even carved them onto rock slabs with his own hand, taking curiously exactly the same time a geriatric old man up a mountain would take to do it,allowing for breakages
Mohammed was commanded by his voices to kill the infidel. Jesus commanded Moses to do the same, right down to the last sheep belonging to them. Thats total genocide.
The actual human “Jesus” diddnt stone the adultress, although he was technically the only person present without sin. So he had to break his own law that he gave to moses. still if you cant change your mind when your God in car nate then when can you change your mind?
It’s almost as if the first lot of laws he came out with were lousy. Hey nevermind, you cant always get it right and nobodys perfect,eh?
It’s a good job he arrived to top himself to save us from himself or we would be in big trouble . I mean, the human rights act, the childrens act, NGO agencies and social welfare. All of those pale into insignificance against gods laws like “Have a kip on sunday”
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R_not
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huh?! The 10 laws given to Moses commanded us NOT to murder!Religionofpeace.com is already in my favorites, but thanks for the link anyway.
Abe diddnt pass down any laws of note. The laws of the OT are attributed to Moses. God even carved them onto rock slabs with his own hand, taking curiously exactly the same time a geriatric old man up a mountain would take to do it,allowing for breakages
Mohammed was commanded by his voices to kill the infidel. Jesus commanded Moses to do the same, right down to the last sheep belonging to them. Thats total genocide.
The actual human “Jesus” diddnt stone the adultress, although he was technically the only person present without sin. So he had to break his own law that he gave to moses. still if you cant change your mind when your God in car nate then when can you change your mind?
It’s almost as if the first lot of laws he came out with were lousy. Hey nevermind, you cant always get it right and nobodys perfect,eh?
It’s a good job he arrived to top himself to save us from himself or we would be in big trouble . I mean, the human rights act, the childrens act, NGO agencies and social welfare. All of those pale into insignificance against gods laws like “Have a kip on sunday”
Please be more specific. If you are saying there is a law from Moses that says stoning is ok - then give the passage. I have no idea what you are talking about.
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R_not
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Cartoons won’t do. Please provide bible passages.
Even when I was in grade school I was able to read the 10 commandments and didn’t need cartoons for that.
I am not in the mood for poor quality cartoons.
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tommiatkins
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It’s sculpture. The passages are undernreath the picture.
Enough excuses now, I refuse to chase your definition of a diamond encrusted webbrowser. The passage is under the picture.
Justify.
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R_not
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Thanks, but I think that I will let someone else play with you.
By the way, a sculpture is:
1 a: the action or art of processing (as by carving, modeling, or welding) plastic or hard materials into works of art b (1): work produced by sculpture (2): a three-dimensional work of art (as a statue)
2: impressed or raised markings or a pattern of such especially on a plant or animal part
Good bye.
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tommiatkins
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Yup, fits under the first definition, and the second actually. Shame to be wrong twice, rarely managable, but congratulations.
If your bowing out defeated, thats perfectly understandable.
Bai
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R_not
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You haven’t shown any Bible passages. You can cut and paste them. I am not going to read some poor quality cartoons.
I think that if you want to say you won, then you can do that. What happens though is that you are the loser overall.
there might be others who want to deal with juvenile behavior. I know too many children and teenagers that present their case better than you do.
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tommiatkins
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Deut 13: 6-10.
It was written under the very distracting picture and the inserted broom must have been fairly distracting too. Perhaps time accustoms people to that?
This is one of *hundreds *of hatefilled verses, as you very well know, unless you havnt read a bible in your life.
New excuse please?
It was written under the very distracting picture and the inserted broom must have been fairly distracting too. Perhaps time accustoms people to that?
This is one of *hundreds *of hatefilled verses, as you very well know, unless you havnt read a bible in your life.
New excuse please?
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