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I here and read that christians (Catholics and Protestants) say that we we worship the same God as the Muslims but if you ask a Muslim the same question he will say no:confused: So why are we so naive in the church to think that we do:confused:
 
As I’ve learned it, it’s because Christians and Muslims have different views on the relationship between God and man. Christians believe God is a Father and men are His children, whereas Muslims believe God is a Master and men are His slaves. The word “Islam” means “surrender”, as in “surrender to God”. Muslims consider it blasphemous for one to call God your Father, because it appears prideful, and God can arbitrarily change His will, simply because He is God.
 
I here and read that christians (Catholics and Protestants) say that we we worship the same God as the Muslims but if you ask a Muslim the same question he will say no:confused: So why are we so naive in the church to think that we do:confused:
Christians and Muslims worship the same God, as we both come from the same Abrahamic root. However, our understanding of God is different.

I know it may shock some, but there may be possible historical evidence that Islam was originally a heretical Christian sect called “Arianism”, before gaining the legitimacy of declaring itself as a religion rather than a sect.
 
I here and read that christians (Catholics and Protestants) say that we we worship the same God as the Muslims but if you ask a Muslim the same question he will say no:confused: So why are we so naive in the church to think that we do:confused:
Being a monotheist, I find nothing naive about it. I actually have Muslim neighbors with whom I have shared meals with. We have exchanged Christmas gifts and I have wished them God’s blessings during their Ramadan holy month. While understandings may be different, if we believe in one God, then I just figure He’s the same one God. 🤷 God bless us all along our faith walks with Him. Peace.
 
I here and read that Christians (Catholics and Protestants) say that we we worship the same God as the Muslims but if you ask a Muslim the same question he will say no:confused: So why are we so naive in the church to think that we do:confused:
You premise is wrong. Obviously individual Christians and Muslims will say that, but as a whole, Islam considers Christianity to be a “religion of the book”. Islam, like Christianity, tended to obliterate Pagan temples, but would convert churches into mosques because they were already houses of God (not exactly a ringing endorsement of Islam here… :p).

But one Caliphate in medieval Jerusalem chose not to enter the Church of the Nativity to worship specifically out of respect for Christianity’s holiest site - if he worshiped there, he feared Muslims of later generations would seize it and worship there.

Islam, as s whole, believes Christians and also Jews worship the same God. They just believe that they have the fullness of Divine revelation, believing Mohamed to be the final prophet, rather than Jesus, whom they consider a powerful prophet who rose from the dead.
 
I here and read that christians (Catholics and Protestants) say that we we worship the same God as the Muslims but if you ask a Muslim the same question he will say no:confused: So why are we so naive in the church to think that we do:confused:
Please don’t generalize based on a limited sample.

I’ve met plenty of Protestants that insist Catholics don’t worship the same God.
There are even a number who will insist Catholics are worshipping the Devil

Since Muslims also believe in one God, I’m sure you can find some that will admit Christians are worshiping the same God.
 
Truth preexists in God and has its source in Him. Where one’s actions, worship, or acceptance of this truth corresponds to this truth, one is in agreement or even union with God. This is a means of union between us and others of different religions but, as they have only parts of the fullness of the truth that exists in the Catholic Church, we can offer, through what we have in common, the fullness of God’s revelation.

It is not a false irenicism to work with our commonalities, in fact today it is imperative. With the weapons of war and destruction we have and with the depersonalization inherent in many of the world’s cultures, creating more animosity than we already have, especially in the area of what is supposed to be love and the redemption in religion, is not only dangerous but is not in union with the Truth that is God Whom we are trying to bring to others. All truth is united in God, it is we who necessarily must apportion concepts proper to our reasoning, and it is our reasoning that comes between us and God as well as we and our fellow man.
 
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believing Mohamed to be the final prophet, rather than Jesus, whom they consider a powerful prophet who rose from the dead.
You are correct to state that muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet, **but they do not believe that Jesus rose from the dead. **
 
Obviously individual Christians and Muslims will say that, but as a whole, Islam considers Christianity to be a “religion of the book”.
The actual term is “People of the Book” (Ahl al-Kitab), which refers to those religious communities (Christians, Jews, and I think also a few others who aren’t as well known like the Manicheans and Sabians) who Muslims believe received some sort of divine revelation in scriptures prior to the coming of Islam. It doesn’t really say anything about whether or not they believe a particular group to be worshiping the right God, as you may or may not know Muslims argue that Christians and others distorted their scriptures (with spurious, ambiguous references from their Qur’an to back up their view).
Islam, like Christianity, tended to obliterate Pagan temples, but would convert churches into mosques because they were already houses of God (not exactly a ringing endorsement of Islam here… :p)
I take it you mean “…but would NOT convert churches in mosques”? Otherwise that sentence doesn’t make sense. It’s wrong, anyway. Some of the most famous mosques in the world (e.g., the Umyyad mosque in Syria) used to be churches. In some places in the world (e.g., Turkey), the majority of mosques dating before the modern period were originally churches. In Spain, buildings that were originally churches changed back and forth with the shifting forces of the communities. This is why many of the older churches in Spain have a certain “Islamic” look to them (which is really the Islamic recension of Eastern Christian architecture, stripped of its obvious Christian symbolism).
But one Caliphate in medieval Jerusalem chose not to enter the Church of the Nativity to worship specifically out of respect for Christianity’s holiest site - if he worshiped there, he feared Muslims of later generations would seize it and worship there.
Well that was awfully nice. It’s a shame that there is no consistency in this regard. In subsequent centuries (and especially in the modern era) there has been no respect for anything Christian in the holy land, as political conflicts have sacrificed our villages and holy sites, either at the hands of the Muslims (e.g., the shootout in which Islamists took up positions inside the church a few years ago, leading to much damage), or Jews (e.g., starving via blockade and media blackout the peaceful protestors of the Christian-majority village of Beit Sahour during the first intifada).
Islam, as s whole, believes Christians and also Jews worship the same God.
This is an Islamic talking point, meant to open the naive to their evangelization efforts and nothing more. Don’t buy it. They mock us for worshiping a “God who eats”, or a “God who dies” or whatever.
They just believe that they have the fullness of Divine revelation, believing Mohamed to be the final prophet, rather than Jesus, whom they consider a powerful prophet who rose from the dead.
They don’t believe in the resurrection, because according to the Qur’an Jesus never died on the cross. It’s kind of hard to come back from the dead without dying in the first place.

Edit: Yeah! What Jakasaki said! :)😊
 
I here and read that christians (Catholics and Protestants) say that we we worship the same God as the Muslims but if you ask a Muslim the same question he will say no:confused: So why are we so naive in the church to think that we do:confused:
There is, in fact, only one God.

We worship Him
and know that He is one God with three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; Jesus was the Son, incarnated of the virgin Mary, who died to free us from our sins, and then rose again.

Jews worship Him but believe that He is one God of one Person: the Father; they believe that the Messiah has not yet come. We teach that they are mistaken but acknowledge their good faith.

Muslims worship Him but believe that He is one God of one Person: God; they believe that Jesus was one of His prophets (not divine) but that Mohammed was a greater prophet. We teach that they are mistaken but acknowledge their good faith.

But it’s easy so see how a Jew or a Muslim would think that we worship “other gods” – they don’t accept the concept of one God consisting of three Persons.
 
Christians and Muslims worship the same God, as we both come from the same Abrahamic root. However, our understanding of God is different.

I know it may shock some, but there may be possible historical evidence that Islam was originally a heretical Christian sect called “Arianism”, before gaining the legitimacy of declaring itself as a religion rather than a sect.
Although there are many similarities between Arianism and Islam, how is there actually historical evidence that Islam came from Arianism. The Goths were Arian, and I don’t think the Goths had territory in North Africa and Saudi Arabia, etc. Weren’t the Goths germanic (East Germany and Scandinavian)?

Another thing, how do Muslims and Christians worship the same God? God the Father maybe?
 
The heretical sect that is said to have had the most profound effect on Islam were the Ebionites, an early Jewish-Christian sect with all kinds of peculiar beliefs that have at least some analogue in Islam. The Ebionite heresy was popular in and around Arabia prior to the coming of Islam, and the Wikipedia page on the Ebionites mentions that Waraqah ibn Nawfal, the cousin of Muhammad’s first wife Khadija, was an Ebionite priest. It is assumed that it is through the connection to this man, as well as whatever connection there was with Sargus Bahira (Christian and Muslim sources disagree on the nature of their relationship), that Muhammad and hence Islam developed certain particular views of Christianity and certain Christian(-related) individuals

Basically, when it comes to Islam’s view of Jesus and Christianity, it is wrong because its source material is heretical.
 
There is, in fact, only one God.

We worship Him
and know that He is one God with three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; Jesus was the Son, incarnated of the virgin Mary, who died to free us from our sins, and then rose again.

Jews worship Him but believe that He is one God of one Person: the Father; they believe that the Messiah has not yet come. We teach that they are mistaken but acknowledge their good faith.

Muslims worship Him but believe that He is one God of one Person: God; they believe that Jesus was one of His prophets (not divine) but that Mohammed was a greater prophet. We teach that they are mistaken but acknowledge their good faith.

But it’s easy so see how a Jew or a Muslim would think that we worship “other gods” – they don’t accept the concept of one God consisting of three Persons.
I think this is a good summary of the three Abrahamic faiths. One change, however, with regard to Jews: I would say Jews worship Him but believe that He is one G-d of one Person: God instead of Father, the same as what you said about Muslims, since Jews believe that when the Messiah comes, he will not be G-d or the son of G-d. It is also true that for a time some Torah (Orthodox) Jews believed that Christians were idol worshippers because of their worship of Jesus. No distinction was made between Catholics, Protestants, or Orthodox (unlike some Protestants, who still accuse Catholics of worshipping saints and statues of saints). For these Jews, the accusation was not due to saints or statues but rather due to Christians’ worship of Jesus (and also the notion of the Trinity). It was even forbidden for Jews to enter a church, while entering a mosque was permitted since Muslims were considered monotheistic like Jews. Happily, these ideas have changed for many Orthodox Jews, who no longer regard Christians as idol worshippers. Some, however, undoubtedly cling to this mistaken idea.
 
I here and read that christians (Catholics and Protestants) say that we we worship the same God as the Muslims but if you ask a Muslim the same question he will say no:confused: So why are we so naive in the church to think that we do:confused:
I have noticed the opposite. Most Christians say we don’t worship the same God while Muslims say we do.

I do not believe we worship the same God. I believe the Jesus Christ is Lord. I worship Jesus who is my God. Muslims don’t worship him and they definitely do not see him as God, so how do we worship the same God?
 
I am perhaps considered something of an extremist about these things, Meltzerboy, but I would much prefer that they cling to their traditional belief and just straight call us idolaters than to enter into the morass of inter-religious theological leveling required by the Catholic position where Christians are then obliged to lower ourselves into sharing “one God” with people who reject the Holy Trinity and the divinity and sonship of Christ.

I’m not trying to start an argument; I am saying (mostly for the benefit of Christians who buy into this idea without thinking about its consequences) that for Christians it is compromising something we ought not to be compromising on, and for no real benefit that I can tell. It’s not as though if we were to take the much more realistic view of Christians worshiping as we understand is right and Jews and Muslims (and everyone, really) doing the same for themselves without reference to the question of a shared God it would really affect our ability to get along. For myself, I think the tie between Christians and Jews is much, much more real (in terms of history and shared scripture) than that between Muslims and either Christians or Jews, though I suppose if you want to abstract theological positions from the religions that they belong to then I could see how this “Muslims are kosher, Christians are not” idea makes sense. It doesn’t matter to me either way, though I do find it curious when I know that the Qur’an calls the Christians those who are “closest in love” to the Muslims (I’m still not sure what that actually means, but my Muslim friends assure me it’s a great honor), while heaping all kinds of scorn upon Jews for things that you don’t even do (revering Ezra as the “son of God”; which I suppose has a bit of analogue for us when it inadvertently claims that we take Mary as a god).
 
HUMmmm…Seems a bit of an issue doesn’t it?

Middle East is moving along very fast. Do you believe we will see the outcome of this unified Islamic world in the middle-east?

The better question is what will they do after that? Will it be tolerance and hatred, or peace and a shared equality in the sanctity of life?

I have faith in mankind but as far as peace and shared equality of life? I’m not feeling the LOVE, how about YOU? 😃

Peace Gary
 
I have noticed the opposite. Most Christians say we don’t worship the same God while Muslims say we do.

I do not believe we worship the same God. I believe the Jesus Christ is Lord. I worship Jesus who is my God. Muslims don’t worship him and they definitely do not see him as God, so how do we worship the same God?
Here’s the problem if you want to say we don’t worship the same God: they clearly worship a god; and so do we. If they aren’t the same god, then they’re different gods – meaning that there are more than one god.

But Jesus very clearly taught that there is only one God. Accordingly, anyone who worships God is worshiping the very same God we worship. To the extent there are differences in worship or understanding regarding Him (“He’s one Person!” “No, He’s three Persons!” “You’re both wrong; He has no personhood as such!”), that’s a matter of worshiping what they don’t understand (cf. Acts 17:23: “For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you”).

To challenge the claim that Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worship the same God, you have to assume that there are many gods – and that’s contrary to Christian theology.
 
To challenge the claim that Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worship the same God, you have to assume that there are many gods – and that’s contrary to Christian theology.
No you don’t. You have to hold that Christians worship the true God, and others worship something else. This seems fine by me, as the belief in the Trinity is not optional. Deny Christ as God, deny the Holy Spirit as God, and you deny God. Period.
 
I read that the Muslim idea of God is very different from who we know God to be. (For convenience, I will refer to the god Muslims visualize as Allah.)

God’s primary attribute is love; Allah’s is transcendence. In other words, humans can know God, but they can’t know Allah (except through the Quran and through angels)–in fact, from what I read, the 99 attributes of Allah say what he is not, but not what he is. Allah doesn’t even care about humans enough to do much more than send angels to speak to prophets.

God is limited by His own nature, so He can’t lie, contradict himself, or do evil; Allah isn’t even limited by that.

God is three persons (the Trinity); Allah is not even a person or spirit.

Allah sounds nothing like the God I know. The only reason Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews call God “Allah” is because “Allah” comes from al-ilah, or “the god.”

This is what happens when a human-made religion tries to imagine what God might be like.
 
We do not worship the same God as Muslims, Jews, Mormons, Buddhist, Hindus or whatever.
We worship One God, three in one a Trinity. Muslims worship a god called Allah. If you would tell a strict Muslim, that he worshiped the same god as a Christian, he would probably kill you for blasphemy against his god.
Jews rejected Christ, whoever rejects Christ cannot worship our God,
Mormons like to say that they are Christians, but they worship a god of this world. In their view there are other worlds and other gods.
People want to be politically correct and say that Christians, Muslims, and Jews are people of the book and that we all worship the same God and that there are may paths to God, but Christ said that no one goes to the Father except through Him. Christ was not politically correct.:signofcross:
 
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