The Sanhedrin delivered Jesus to Pilate but condemned Stephen to stoning

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So, the Sanhedrin had no jurisdiction to condemn anyone to death, that’s why they delivered Jesus to the Roman governor for the final decision.

However, St. Stephen was stoned to death for blasphemy after the decision of the Sanhedrin.

Why the difference?

My understanding is that Jesus was too popular, so that the high priests did not risk to condemn Him on their own but ensured to follow the formalities. However, Stephen was not that well-known and popular, and thus the high priests just disregarded the law.

Am I right?
 
Jesus was condemned by a Roman governor to die for treason against the Roman Empire (i.e., Jesus told his apostles, including Judas, who told authorities that Jesus was King of the Jews, (Messiah)) This was a civil offense against Rome.

Saying your the Messiah was not really a religious crime. Jews of that day, including many in the Sanhedrin, were expecting the Messiah to show up sooner rather than later.

St. Stephen was condemned to stoning to death for the religious crime of heresy. (which the Romans couldn’t care less about.)

At the time, the ruling body of the Jewish religion in certain places in the Empire were permitted to impose the death penalty by stoning for a number of religious crimes. Blasphemy was one of them.
 
With Jesus, the Sanhedrin were being careful to cross and dot their legal t’s and i’s vis-à-vis the Romans.

With Stephen, their emotions got away from them, and what had been a trial turned into a lynching, which could have been punished by the Romans. The Jews had no right to execute anyone; that was a Roman prerogative, as the occupying government.
 
Perhaps Saul’s consent had something to do with it? He was a Roman citizen…

I got that far…
 
Perhaps Saul’s consent had something to do with it? He was a Roman citizen…

I got that far…
Although he was a citizen, he had no authority in Judaea.

More likely, because our LORD was known to get along well with Romans, the Sanhedrin didn’t want to give them any excuse to lash back at it. The Roman administration has no reason to care about Stephen.

ICXC NIKA
 
So, the Sanhedrin had no jurisdiction to condemn anyone to death, that’s why they delivered Jesus to the Roman governor for the final decision.

However, St. Stephen was stoned to death for blasphemy after the decision of the Sanhedrin.

Why the difference?

My understanding is that Jesus was too popular, so that the high priests did not risk to condemn Him on their own but ensured to follow the formalities. However, Stephen was not that well-known and popular, and thus the high priests just disregarded the law.

Am I right?
Hi!
…well, you may be half right; true Jesus was basically a celebrity (though Rome would hardly care for any Jew) but I suspect the religious Jews were mostly concerned for how they would fair amongst the Jews (much like today’s political arena–and the stance of many Christians, including Catholics–where reason and commonsense gives way to “whatever” gives you power); how their “purse” would fair in a backlash if they themselves killed Jesus.

Additionally, we must look into the differences of both victims:
  • Jesus, years of planning, plotting, and methodically awaiting to pounce!
  • Stephen, heat of the moment, imminent threat, 2nd person to overtly challenge their authority:
51 You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do you also. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? And they have slain them who foretold of the coming of the Just One; of whom you have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. (Acts 7:51-53)
…then Stephen cranks it up with:
And he said: Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:55b)
Maran atha!

Angel
 
Old Joke:
Q: Why was Jesus crucified instead of being stoned to death?

A: *So Catholics could do this , instead of this *<make the “sign of stoning” by hitting your fists against you head>
:rotfl:
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Jesus was condemned by a Roman governor to die for treason against the Roman Empire (i.e., Jesus told his apostles, including Judas, who told authorities that Jesus was King of the Jews, (Messiah)) This was a civil offense against Rome.

Saying your the Messiah was not really a religious crime. Jews of that day, including many in the Sanhedrin, were expecting the Messiah to show up sooner rather than later.

St. Stephen was condemned to stoning to death for the religious crime of heresy. (which the Romans couldn’t care less about.)

At the time, the ruling body of the Jewish religion in certain places in the Empire were permitted to impose the death penalty by stoning for a number of religious crimes. Blasphemy was one of them.
The Sanhedrin said Jesus blasphemed…
 
So, the Sanhedrin had no jurisdiction to condemn anyone to death, that’s why they delivered Jesus to the Roman governor for the final decision.

However, St. Stephen was stoned to death for blasphemy after the decision of the Sanhedrin.

Why the difference?

My understanding is that Jesus was too popular, so that the high priests did not risk to condemn Him on their own but ensured to follow the formalities. However, Stephen was not that well-known and popular, and thus the high priests just disregarded the law.

Am I right?
Well, Stephen’s stoning wasn’t really a legal execution - more like a lynching. There was no sentence involved.

Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him. But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing pat the right hand of God. And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing pat the right hand of God.” But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed together at him. Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.

Scholars still disagree as to whether Jewish authorities in Judaea Province did have the right to execute people. (In the Galilee, Herod Antipas had that right; that’s why he was able to kill John the Baptist. Different place.)

We do know that in a few cases they were allowed to kill people by special permission (for example, they were allowed to put to death any foreigner who ventured into the sacred, Jews-only areas of the Temple), but personally, I’m in the camp that thinks that legally, under normal circumstances, only the Romans had the right of capital punishment, because that’s what they did in the other provinces: they deliberately withheld that right from provincial courts in order to prevent abuse (e.g. said courts condemning to death any Roman sympathizers). At least, that would make more sense of the chief priests’ statement in the gospel of John: “It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death.” (Something some other people assume was an invention by John: in other words, the Jewish leaders could execute people, but John simply made up that statement in order to explain the fact that Jesus was crucified and not stoned. 🤷)

That doesn’t mean, however, that abuse could not occur. It’s not as if the Romans were totally able to police the internal life of the provinces closely; usually they just turned a blind eye to these illegal executions as long as the Jewish officials made sure that they aren’t discovered doing it. James the brother of Jesus was also put to death by stoning in AD 62; the high priest that condemned him, Ananus son of Ananus/Annas (the Annas who is the father-in-law of Caiaphas), took advantage of the time in between (name removed by moderator)ial assignments - that interim period when the old governor left Judaea and the new one still hadn’t come yet - to put James to death. In fact, the new governor deposed Ananus precisely because of that violation, not to mention his actions caused a public uproar (James was a revered figure).

In fact, it’s possible that Stephen’s stoning might have occurred during a similar time: the time when the old prefect had just left Judaea and the new one had yet to arrive. (In other words, somewhere around AD 37.) That would explain why the authorities were able to get away with it.
 
More likely, because our LORD was known to get along well with Romans, the Sanhedrin didn’t want to give them any excuse to lash back at it. The Roman administration has no reason to care about Stephen.

ICXC NIKA
‘Get along well’? :confused:

Maybe we can get it from “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s,” but then again, the statement is also not exactly a positive endorsement of Roman rule. Caesar is not God. And then there’s also the fact that the denarius has Caesar’s image - a graven image, not acceptable for Jews of the 1st century (they were almost iconoclastic at this point). One ‘gives to Caesar’ anything that is not of God - you might even say that which violates the will of God, such as this piece of currency with an offensive/blasphemous (from a Jewish viewpoint) image on it (cf. Exodus 20:1-6). In any case, the chief priests twisted His words to mean that He was fomenting a tax revolt: “We found this man misleading our nation and forbidding us to give tribute to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ, a king.”

And I think I’ve said this in some other threads, but the ‘centurion’ Jesus met in Capernaum most likely wasn’t Roman BTW.
 
‘Get along well’? :confused:

Maybe we can get it from “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s,” but then again, the statement is also not exactly a positive endorsement of Roman rule. Caesar is not God. And then there’s also the fact that the denarius has Caesar’s image - a graven image, not acceptable for Jews of the 1st century (they were almost iconoclastic at this point). One ‘gives to Caesar’ anything that is not of God - you might even say that which violates the will of God, such as this piece of currency with an offensive/blasphemous (from a Jewish viewpoint) image on it (cf. Exodus 20:1-6). In any case, the chief priests twisted His words to mean that He was fomenting a tax revolt: “We found this man misleading our nation and forbidding us to give tribute to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ, a king.”

And I think I’ve said this in some other threads, but the ‘centurion’ Jesus met in Capernaum most likely wasn’t Roman BTW.
Well, He was easier on the Roman legionaries than on His own folks.

“Walking the extra mile” originally meant willingly accepted being ordered around by Romans.

The Romans seemed to be ok with Him; though the bad juju between them and Jews was thick enough to breathe, the centurion respected Him enough, despite his need, not to ask that He defile Himself by going to his home. This from a people who were legally entitled to order everybody around.

Even Pilate sought an excuse to let Him breathe, though lacking the courage to stand up to the masses.

For that place and time, I’d say He got on remarkably with the Romans (until everybody ganged up on Him).

ICXC NIKA
 
Plus Jesus put the smack down on the pharisees on any and all prior religious tests.

Therefore if he were set to be in a religion only trial he would have again put the intellectual smack down on.

Perfect denial skills, you know he is better than you at religion so you avoid a religious conversation lest you have to actually follow God and not your own will.

The others they may have stoned lack impeccable intellectual smack down powers.
 
Well, He was easier on the Roman legionaries than on His own folks.

“Walking the extra mile” originally meant willingly accepted being ordered around by Romans.

The Romans seemed to be ok with Him; though the bad juju between them and Jews was thick enough to breathe, the centurion respected Him enough, despite his need, not to ask that He defile Himself by going to his home. This from a people who were legally entitled to order everybody around.
As I mentioned, there were no legionaries in Judaea or the Galilee in the 30s. Pilate’s soldiers were auxiliaries conscripted from the (non-Jewish) natives like Samaritans, and Herod Antipas had his own army - also mainly drawn from locals.

And as I said, the centurion/ was likely not Roman, even though we assume that he is because of his title. It would have been a Herodian soldier working for Antipas. First, we know that Herod the Great copied the Roman military structure for his own army, and it’s likely his sons did so for their own armies. So it’s not unlikely that there would be a ‘centurion’ in the Herods’ army. Second, unless there was an emergency, Roman soldiers had no business being in the Galilee, which was under Antipas’ rule, much less in a small village like Capernaum. In fact, there would be no Roman presence in Capernaum until well after the time of Jesus. In His day it was just a small, rural Jewish village. It’s very telling IMO that John’s analogue to the story of the centurion is the story of the basilikos, the “royal official.”

“Love your enemies” and “turning the other cheek” is commonly explained nowadays in terms of Roman soldiers, yes - love the Romans, turn the other cheek and walk the extra mile even when they bully you.

But as I’ve said in some other places, aside from the fact that the Romans would have actually more likely been invisible in the Galilee contrary to what some modern scholars like to think (they would have had certainly no presence in the rural areas, and Jesus was mainly addressing rural Galileans when He said these words!), we don’t really have that firm evidence that Roman soldiers actually did the stuff modern movies like to claim they did: roam the countryside and impose fear on the hearts of the Jewish natives by randomly crucifying them or setting fire to their houses or making them do forced labor.

In reality, they probably never did that, certainly not in Antipas’ tetrarchy (where they are absent) and not even in Judaea Province. The Romans governed Judaea Province via indirect rule: the Roman governor is nominally in charge, but in reality, local Jewish magistrates ran the government on his behalf. That’s actually pretty much why it was the chief priests and the Temple police that arrested Jesus. It was technically their job to do so on behalf of the prefect. They would arrest Him, examine Him, then hand Him over to Pilate to be sentenced, since he was the one that had the right to execute.

So my opinion is that unlike the modern assumption, Jesus or His original audience did not specifically have in mind Roman soldiers when He said “turn the other cheek” or “go two miles when told to go one mile.” Who knows? Maybe the ‘enemy’ was the village magistrate or that snobby rich guy in your area.

Personally, I’d point to these stuff more as Jesus being okay with Antipas’ guys (even though Antipas himself purportedly sought to kill Him once): I mean Chuza and his wife Joanna, Matthew (since he was a tax collector in the Galilee he would have been working for Antipas rather than the Roman governor), this centurion/royal official.
Even Pilate sought an excuse to let Him breathe, though lacking the courage to stand up to the masses.
I’ll admit, given what we know about Pilate from the extrabiblical sources (Philo and Josephus), I won’t say that he ‘lacked courage.’ I won’t go as far as those modern historians who say Pilate was a total monster who butchered Jews for the fun of it and the gospel accounts of Jesus’ trial before him is mostly fictional (because how can such a heartless villain be so indecisive? :rolleyes:), but I don’t really buy the weak, vacillating image of Pilate folks often glean from the gospels.

The gospels have their own reasons for portraying Pilate the way they do, just as Philo and Josephus have their own motives for portraying Pilate the way they do. The actual historical truth must be somewhere in between those. Instead of seeing the gospels’ Pilate as being weak-willed, I see him more as being shrewd. I mean, this was the guy who wrote ‘King of the Jews’ as Jesus’ crime, and the guy who lasted ten years as prefect of Judaea.

Personally, I agree with this assessment (and this) and think that there might have even been some kind of play-acting going on when Pilate was trying to ‘release’ Jesus.
For that place and time, I’d say He got on remarkably with the Romans (until everybody ganged up on Him).
ICXC NIKA
Well, Jesus’ only verifiable actual contact with Romans was when He showed up before Pilate and was crucified. Maybe He might have perked up their ears when He was in Judaea for the festivals as is written in John, but for a good deal of His life, He might not have had any close contact with them. The Galilee was not occupied by the Romans, it’s extremely unlikely that he encountered Roman soldiers there, and even in Judaea the Romans did not always show up. They’re just a sort of invisible presence. Think something like Sauron in The Lord of the Rings (the books); he’s nominally the big bad, but he doesn’t appear directly in the story.
 
Plus Jesus put the smack down on the pharisees on any and all prior religious tests.

Therefore if he were set to be in a religion only trial he would have again put the intellectual smack down on.

Perfect denial skills, you know he is better than you at religion so you avoid a religious conversation lest you have to actually follow God and not your own will.

The others they may have stoned lack impeccable intellectual smack down powers.
Okay, “the Pharisees” are a different group from “the chief priests, the scribes and the elders.” Later Christians tend to confuse the two, but the gospels (especially the synoptics) distinguish them properly. Jesus had disputes with ‘the Pharisees’, but it was the latter group (headed by the high priest) that had Jesus crucified and stoned Stephen.
 
The Sanhedrin said Jesus blasphemed…
That may be, but Jesus was crucified by a Roman governor for an offense against Rome. The offense of treason, which carried the sentence of crucifixion. The Sanhedrin (Jews) didn’t kill Jesus. The Romans did.
 
With Jesus, the Sanhedrin were being careful to cross and dot their legal t’s and i’s vis-à-vis the Romans.

With Stephen, their emotions got away from them, and what had been a trial turned into a lynching, which could have been punished by the Romans. The Jews had no right to execute anyone; that was a Roman prerogative, as the occupying government.
Stoning was not automatically fatal. Often, yes. But St Paul survived a stoning, if I remember. So my impression was that stoning was a grey area, since you can easily stone someone not to death. So you could always claim to the Romans that death was not intentional. Just like, I suppose, a mob beating isn’t considered a deliberate execution but more like ‘accidentally’ overdoing it.

So my impression is that they wanted Jesus guaranteed 100% dead, and the only way to do that was a Roman execution. 🤷
 
Stoning was not automatically fatal. Often, yes. But St Paul survived a stoning, if I remember. So my impression was that stoning was a grey area, since you can easily stone someone not to death. So you could always claim to the Romans that death was not intentional. Just like, I suppose, a mob beating isn’t considered a deliberate execution but more like ‘accidentally’ overdoing it.

So my impression is that they wanted Jesus guaranteed 100% dead, and the only way to do that was a Roman execution. 🤷
Jewish stonings actually didn’t so much involve pelting somebody with stones as they involved pushing the person off a precipice (this was later specified as being twice the height of a man), then (if they didn’t die from the fall) dropping a huge rock/s onto their chest. Actual stone pelting only followed afterwards, and only if the person somehow survived the fall and the big rock.

That’s probably not the kind of stoning St. Paul experienced.
 
Jesus did not rub it in the sanhedrin’s face the way Stephen did 😃

“You stiff-necked people!” - Stephen

“If I have not done evil then why do you hit me?” - Jesus
 
Shameless plug, but a few past posts of mine that might be tangentially related to this topic. (Gosh, I need to collect them somewhere. So much words.)

[Giant list of links right here]
I’m reading through some of them now. If I end up trying to finish them all, that’ll take a while! 😃
 
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