The Seal of Confession and the sex abuse scandal

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Everyone gets upset for the Church covering up the molestations. If a priest were to confess sexually abusing a young boy, his confessor would be bound to keep it secret, no? Does anyone know if this was the case? Or was the knowledge of the abuse by the hierarchy derived only from complaints of the abused at the time? If there was a confession and complaints, could it still be made public? Is the Seal of Confession even at issue here?
 
The seal of the Confessional is firm. This is as it should be! Of course, the confessor should counsel the offender to get help and make amends-- including turning oneself in.
 
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trailblazer:
including turning oneself in.
Is this an option in such a case? I read somewhere (I think in the ask an apologist forum) that, say a murderer, confesses his crime with a contrite heart, the priest cannot tell him to confess his crime again to the proper authorities. Rather his penance will probably be to secretly send financial support to the victim’s family or something. Has anyone heard this?
 
FWIW the seal is solid and a priest is held accountable even if he did not divulge the information. We had a case in this state where a person charged with a crime confessed to his priest. Unbeknownst to the priest, the prison had the confession secretly taped and given to the authorities. The priest was not only totally bereft and outraged, there was actually the possibility of his being defrocked because this seal is SUCH an essential element in confession. Fortunately he was vindicated but it shows you how seriously the Church takes that seal.

Lisa N
 
Lisa N:
FWIW the seal is solid and a priest is held accountable even if he did not divulge the information. We had a case in this state where a person charged with a crime confessed to his priest. Unbeknownst to the priest, the prison had the confession secretly taped and given to the authorities. The priest was not only totally bereft and outraged, there was actually the possibility of his being defrocked because this seal is SUCH an essential element in confession. Fortunately he was vindicated but it shows you how seriously the Church takes that seal.

Lisa N
Yeah, I’m just wondering if the Seal played a part in the scandal at all. Was it a reason for any of the covering up?
 
Sorry about the confusion. The priest may suggest such and action, but I do not think it would be part of the assigned penance. This is any interesting subject though. Lets see what others say on the subject. It would be nice to let and expert (which I am not) reply! Sorry I was not more help.

Bob
 
Lisa- the pentitent, or priest recoreded it? You had a typo…I’m guessing the pentitent…
 
I truly value the seal of Confession. Without it I would not have trust in the priest administering it. I do believe that the Penance required of the guilty priest needs to be severe. This such a serious issue and it needs to be treated as if the priest is leading his young victims away from the Church and away from Christ. At such a younf age, the children need to understand the Loving Hand of Jesus, and the priest as Vicar of Christ will be the direct symbol of that Hand to children. I think that penance needs to include permanent removal of the priest from Children’s Ministries…I don’t believe they should be defrocked, excommunicated or not forgiven. Our foundational beliefs include forgiveness and this needs to be handled appropriately. There was a time in our Church’s History when people were given life-long penatential acts…why not do it for priests that have committed these atrocious sins?

SG
 
Seeks God:
I truly value the seal of Confession. Without it I would not have trust in the priest administering it. I do believe that the Penance required of the guilty priest needs to be severe. This such a serious issue and it needs to be treated as if the priest is leading his young victims away from the Church and away from Christ. At such a younf age, the children need to understand the Loving Hand of Jesus, and the priest as Vicar of Christ will be the direct symbol of that Hand to children. I think that penance needs to include permanent removal of the priest from Children’s Ministries…I don’t believe they should be defrocked, excommunicated or not forgiven. Our foundational beliefs include forgiveness and this needs to be handled appropriately. There was a time in our Church’s History when people were given life-long penatential acts…why not do it for priests that have committed these atrocious sins?

SG
I totally agree that their penance should be harsh. Is there a way to do this without revealing what the sin was? Would this still be considered cover-up?

I mean, i’m still not sure if the Seal of Confession was even an issue in these cases. Does anyone know if it was?
 
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Genesis315:
I mean, i’m still not sure if the Seal of Confession was even an issue in these cases. Does anyone know if it was?
Not in any of the cases that I’m aware of.
 
I’ve been wondering the same thing for quite a while. What I’m imagining is a scenario where someone brings a complaint, or threatens to, and the accused immediately confesses to his priest. Then the diocese deals with the plaintiff or police or lawyer and settles out of court with no admission of guilt or liability. I think it could happen that way. To the public at large, the priest has not done anything.

But the legal trouble comes with the repeated reassignment of the confessed priest. They were all being sent to some counseling center in New Mexico, BUT if the priest is a pedophile it’s pretty well known that they’re never really cured. But they go through the motions anyway and if the priest is contrite and promises to not re-offend then he could get assigned to a parish again and there you go. This kept happening over and over, and I think part of the problem is that the psychiatric industry doesn’t want to admit how little effect their therapies have.
 
The priest can make the penitent’s absolution conditional on his reporting himself to the proper authorities.
 
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Ham1:
The priest can make the penitent’s absolution conditional on his reporting himself to the proper authorities.
I don’t think this is true. I don’t think the priest can make him confess again to other people. As I said in an earlier post, I read somewhere (I think in the ask an apologist forum) that, say a murderer, confesses his crime with a contrite heart, the priest cannot tell him to confess his crime again to the proper authorities. Rather his penance will probably be to secretly send financial support to the victim’s family or something. Has anyone heard this?
 
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Genesis315:
I don’t think this is true. I don’t think the priest can make him confess again to other people.
You are right but there is one exception of sorts and that is when a person has falsely denounced a priest to his ecclesiastical superior with respect to a certain ecclesiastical crime called “solicitation.” In that case the penitent can be compelled to retract his false denunciation.

The reason why the priest cannot make him confess to other people is because that is not the priest’s job! The priest isn’t there to advance the common good of society. The priest is there to serve the penitent’s soul. How the penitent makes reparation for his sins is up to him aside from the symbolic penance assigned by the priest. The priest cannot assign a penance that is burdensome or that would discourage the penitent or other penitents from approaching confession. If the penance included confessing to other people, then that would discourage people from going to confession and it is the salvation of souls that is the Church’s absolutely paramount mission.
As I said in an earlier post, I read somewhere (I think in the ask an apologist forum) that, say a murderer, confesses his crime with a contrite heart, the priest cannot tell him to confess his crime again to the proper authorities. Rather his penance will probably be to secretly send financial support to the victim’s family or something. Has anyone heard this?
I don’t think the priest can require the penitent to do that, though he can suggest it. The priest certainly can assign as a penance that he pray for the victim.
 
There is a great audio CD by Father Benedict Groeschel called “An Urgent Appeal” that deals with the “abuse crisis”. It is an excellent presentation that puts many things in perspective.

The link: grassrootsrenewal.com/urgent.htm
 
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alyssa:
Lisa- the pentitent, or priest recoreded it? You had a typo…I’m guessing the pentitent…
Neither from the story. The story appears to say that the warden or prison officials had the Confession taped without the priest or penitent’s knowledge. Thanks and God Bless.
 
The Church cover up put the confessional seal in jepardy. It was not confessional situations which are seen as the Church coverup but now civil authorities even have to scutinize any situation, including the confessional, where clergy do not report child abuse.

it is a crime not to report child abuse to authorities. I think even psyciatrists have to report any confessions. It has been only Catholic preists and defendant lawyers who do not have to devulge such information. With Bishops knowingly secretly moving child abusers from one group of ususpecting children to the next (not a confessional situation), now civil authorities have to decide how to protect the public from Church leader abuse. Civil authorities now have to decide whether or not to require clergy to devulge child abuse confessed in the confessional? Had Bishops reported all known (those discovered outside the confessional) child abuser priests, civil authorities would not now have to reassess such trusted exclusions to the Catholic Church.

How many priests can we afford to have put in prison should the state no longer grant exclusions to confessional confessions of child abuse?

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
 
Steven Merten:
The Church cover up put the confessional seal in jepardy. It was not confessional situations which are seen as the Church coverup but now civil authorities even have to scutinize any situation, including the confessional, where clergy do not report child abuse.

it is a crime not to report child abuse to authorities. I think even psyciatrists have to report any confessions. It has been only Catholic preists and defendant lawyers who do not have to devulge such information. With Bishops knowingly secretly moving child abusers from one group of ususpecting children to the next (not a confessional situation), now civil authorities have to decide how to protect the public from Church leader abuse. Civil authorities now have to decide whether or not to require clergy to devulge child abuse confessed in the confessional? Had Bishops reported all known (those discovered outside the confessional) child abuser priests, civil authorities would not now have to reassess such trusted exclusions to the Catholic Church.

How many priests can we afford to have put in prison should the state no longer grant exclusions to confessional confessions of child abuse?

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
The State has absolutely no right to coerce priests to violate the seal of the confessional. The seal of the confessional is established with the authority of the Church and does not rely in any way upon the authority of the State. If a State in defiance of God were to try to coerce a priest to violate the seal, the priest would be obliged to not cooperate. As is stated in Church teaching and law, a priest is to respect the seal even at the cost of his own life.
 
Two of the cases for automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication are when a priest violates the seal of the confession or when a priest gives absolution to an accomplice in sin (e.g., a sexual partner). The seal is an absolute.
 
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tuopaolo:
The State has absolutely no right to coerce priests to violate the seal of the confessional. The seal of the confessional is established with the authority of the Church and does not rely in any way upon the authority of the State. If a State in defiance of God were to try to coerce a priest to violate the seal, the priest would be obliged to not cooperate. As is stated in Church teaching and law, a priest is to respect the seal even at the cost of his own life.
The State has the obligation to protect children. Bishops proving that they cannot be trusted to protect our children brings the State in on the situation. If the State has to change the law which allows priests not to report confessional confessions of child abuse, because of the failing of Bishops to obey the law outside the confessional, it will be sad. No doubt a majority of our priests will end up in prison due to their devotion to God to refuse state law. All this could have been avoided had Bishops protected our children on information gained outside the confesssional.

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
 
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