The second coming of Christ

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God said he wouldn’t destroy the earth again by a flood.

“I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”
 
mr_silly said:
However, saying that a contradiction is not possible
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You said: “seems like a contradiction”

I didn’t say contradictions are not possible

Since God is on the money -
it more than seems that what you claim to think - seems is a contradiction -
can not be a contradiction.

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mr_silly said:
Please explain how YHWH’s promise in Genesis 8:21 that He will never again be the cause of a world-wide disaster that will wipe out most of the human rac
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Easy… . Jesus wiped out most of humanity with water…

He’ll never do that again.

Since then, the cause of death has come via Man.
And the Lord smelled a sweet savour, and said: I will no more curse the earth for the sake of man: for the imagination and thought of man’s heart are prone to evil from his youth: therefore I will no more destroy every living soul as I have done.
 
That can be resolved by interpreting that any future Divine Chastisement won’t wipe out “most of the human race”. What does “most” mean depends on God but obviously it can’t be more than 50%.
 
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Commentary this? Commentary that! 🙃

MeanWhile, Jesus Christ is going to Return! 🙂
 
Pattylt said:
Often, Christian groups try to fulfill prophesy about building the third Temple for their own reasons. Those do it to hurry the return of Christ, not for Jewish reasons.
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Hi Pattylt, I know what you mean about Christian groups and the temple, but having been in the Evangelical movement for years and years, I think they are excited about the prospect of a 3rd Temple because they believe it fulfills end-time prophecy and will be one of the last things to happen before the actual return of Y’shua. I don’t personally know of any Christian groups who are actively pursuing to have it rebuilt. The church I was involved with was asked by an outside organization if they’d like to donate money to an establishment who had this goal in mind, and they said, “Absolutely not. That will be the temple of the antichrist…why would we want to donate to that?”

I think that if it does happen, it will be because God has allowed it. I know that The Temple Institute actively seeks and is waiting for a sign from God as to when construction can begin.
 
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mr_silly said:
So is YHWH. Are the two events one and the same ?
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From Sacred Scriptural Prophecies…

Jesus’ Father aka God the Father
is distinct from/ God’s Word aka Jesus …

The AntiChrist shall arrive first,
Followed by The Christ - Jesus
Followed by Judgement
 
Dudd said:
In Revelation the anti-Christ is called the beast. Protestants can’t agree ‘where’ in Revelation the rapture is mentioned. The ‘rapture’ is best understood between Revelation 14 and Mathew 13.
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Yes the beast would be Rome however. The problem that I see, is that Scripture doesn’t mention one Antichrist who will come at the end of time.

The first mention of Antichrist is in 1 John.
I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you.
1 John 2:26

And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world.
1 John 4:3
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The Antichrist were already in the world at that time, so it can’t be one future individual person that’s still 2000 years away.
 
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The ground was cursed in the beginning because of Adam…

Gen. 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

Genesis 8:21-22 says God will not curse the ground for the same reason…

And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake; for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

(Fire destroys the earth after the consummation.)

Genesis 9:11 God says…
“I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

In V. 15 again…

And I will remember my covenant, which [is] between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

The only sensible way I understand this ‘sans contradiction’ is the Lord will never again curse the ground by a flood!
 
The beast is NOT Rome and NOBODY can prove that it is! Show me in scripture where Rome is the culprit! There have been anti-Christ in the world since Christ. There is ONE future PERSON we call the anti-Christ coming and it wasn’t Nero.
 
undead_rat said:
The stars falling is a difficult prediction to imagine. I think that it refers to a multiple nuclear ICBM attack.
A nuclear bomb is, in reality, a mini star when it detonates.
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It is a recap. When God ousted 1/3 of the Angels from heaven.
GLam1761 said:
I have heard it said that our solar system is Revolving or Roaming
about our Galaxy and moreover Other Galaxies, our nearest being
Andromeda, is moving TOWARDS each other
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Millions and Millions of years from now.
 
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Dudd said:
The beast is NOT Rome and NOBODY can prove that it is! Show me in scripture where Rome is the culprit! There have been anti-Christ in the world since Christ. There is ONE future PERSON we call the anti-Christ coming and it wasn’t Nero.
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It was Rome. I don’t understand why you think it can’t be proven.

I’ve mentioned already that the beast turns and devours the harlot. The harlot was Jerusalem and the beast was Rome. The harlot was riding the beast. Jerusalem was in league with Rome when they crucified Christ. The Jewish leaders said as much, “We have no king, but Caesar.”

I don’t fully understand your position, because in another post you link much of the prophecies to Islam, while denouncing many of the other Protestant ideas that are popular in dispensationalism.

The problem is that when you try to interpret the abomination of desolation and other passages in the future sense, you box yourself in trying to explain why that geographical area is still important.
 
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Here is one to chew on:

Mat_24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mar_13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Luk_21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

We are given the context of what a generation is in the genealogies of Jesus at the beginning of Matthew and Luke. The greek word for generation does not deviate.

The second coming of Christ has already happened. It happened right after Christ did his little tour in hell or wherever he went to give those in limbo a choice. And it happens at every Mass. And it happens every time someone dies that is destined for heaven. The Parousia is an ever ongoing event.

Christ started his forever reign when he ascended to heaven in front of his apostles. Then an angel appeared told those apostles present that THEY themselves would see him come again in the same manner as he left.
 
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Autumn-Smoke said:
and they said, “Absolutely not. That will be the temple of the antichrist…why would we want to donate to that?”
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I wish all Evangelicals felt the same! Many donate large sums of money towards the goal. I can certainly understand that other groups would not!
 
You’re looking at this in past tense which is typical of an Amil Historicist. You are quite welcome to quote any one scripture that specifically points to Rome. You won’t find one because one doesn’t exist.

Every nation mentioned in END-TIME prophecy - at the consummation of the ages, are Arab, Persian, and Islamic today.

So you’re on! ONE verse or passage is all I ask.

I’m in disagreement with both Catholic’s and esp. Protestants about the END of days.

I lose interest talking about this with people who believe “it all happened in AD70!” In my view, it’s way off to claim such a thing.

The ‘abomination of desolation’ Jesus spoke about had nothing to do with Antiochus, Nero, or any other 1st century person.

You’re the one who has “BOXED YOURSELF IN”. After all, according to, “IT ALREADY HAPPENED!”
 
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