The Second Commandment

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Hello everyone.

I was recently reading the Ten Commandments in the Catholic Bible and I noticed that the Second Commandment is different from how it is worded in the Protestant Bibles.

This is what the Bibles I have read say:
“You shall have no other gods before me.”
This is what the Catholic Bible says:
“You shalt not have any strange gods before me.”

Does anyone know the reason why these Bibles have the Second Commandment worded differently? I’m not trying to be disrespectful to Catholics, I’m just curious why this Commandment is different.
 
Could you please provide what translations of the Bible those quotes are from? Ex. NAB, NRSV-CE, D-R, KJV?
 
Well first we have to acknowledge that the 10 Commandments have a slightly different in order between Catholics and Methodists.

Catholicism defines the first commandment (according to the Catechism):

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.

This commandment says that the LORD is God, You shall have no other gods, and no idolatry.

The Methodist however takes the first part of this commandment as a preface, rather than numbering.

However rather than arguing about semantics, let’s just look at the verse in question, Exodus 20:3.

The NRSV is not the Catholic Bible, it is approved by the Catholic Church, but it was translated by a make-up of Christians of all faiths and Jews.

If we talk about the “Catholic Bible” we would be talking about the Latin Vulgate, the official Bible of the Church. The Vulgate was translated by Saint Jerome, for the Old Testament he translated directly from the Hebrew, except the Deutrocanonicals which were translated from the LXX.

Exodus 20:3 “non habebis deos alienos coram me” - Vulgate
Exodus 20:3 “Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.” - D-R Translation
Exodus 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.” - NRSV
Exodus 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.” - NIV

I looked at these two versions, but it looks like the NRSV (Oxford Edition) and the NIV (Online from the official site) translate it the same way. But at any rate, the literal translation of the “Catholic Bible” is much more accurate as it is from the Hebrew.

Why are they different? Generally Bibles written later on, especially during the 20th Century, tend to me more dynamic translations, that is they are written to be easy to read, rather than being faithful to the original text.

I’m sure there’s more on this forum discussing the difference of Dynamic and Literal translation, but when in doubt go to the D-R.

I own many versions of the Bible, the NRSV, the NAB, the D-R with Clementine Latin, and a version of the NRSV (which does not include the Deutrocanonicals), however when I’m in doubt I go with the Latin, it’s authoritative

Laus Deo
 
Hello everyone.

I was recently reading the Ten Commandments in the Catholic Bible and I noticed that the Second Commandment is different from how it is worded in the Protestant Bibles.

This is what the Bibles I have read say:
“You shall have no other gods before me.”
This is what the Catholic Bible says:
“You shalt not have any strange gods before me.”

Does anyone know the reason why these Bibles have the Second Commandment worded differently? I’m not trying to be disrespectful to Catholics, I’m just curious why this Commandment is different.
 
The First Commandment as taught in the Catholic Catechism is:
  1. I am the Lord thy God you shall not have strange Gods before me
  2. Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
 
The following three Catholic versions of the Bible translate the verse (Exodus 20:3) the same as your Bible.

NAB: You shall not have other gods besides me.

RSV-Catholic Edition: You shall have no other gods before [or besides] me.

NRSV-Catholic Edition: you shall have no other gods before [or besides] me.

I don’t think there is anything sinister going on here. The difference you point out appears simply to be the personal preference of the individual Bible translators on how to translate the Hebrew word acher into English. For instance, even the KJV, which usually translates the Hebrew word acher as other, in one instance translates it as strange (Judges 11:2).
 
The worship of “strange god(s)” is condemned elsewhere in the Old Testament (KJV), so there is nothing particularly unbiblical about the phrase that you read in the Catholic Bible:
Genesis 35:2
Genesis 35:4
Deuteronomy 32:12
Deuteronomy 32:16
Joshua 24:20
Joshua 24:23
Judges 10:16
1 Samuel 7:3
2 Chronicles 14:3
2 Chronicles 33:15
Psalm 44:20
Psalm 81:9
Isaiah 43:12
Jeremiah 5:19
Daniel 11:39
Malachi 2:11
 
Well first we have to acknowledge that the 10 Commandments have a slightly different in order between Catholics and Methodists.

Catholicism defines the first commandment (according to the Catechism):

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.

This commandment says that the LORD is God, You shall have no other gods, and no idolatry.

The Methodist however takes the first part of this commandment as a preface, rather than numbering.

Exodus 20:3 “non habebis deos alienos coram me” - Vulgate
Although we are almost a decade into the 21st century, we still retain our old customs of anthropological worship.

For many years, our Parish has a beautiful statue of Christ the King. The statue was centric to 13hour devotions, processions, etc.
Some years ago, another statue, was installed near the sacristy.
Later on, the Flag post on the terrace above the sacristy was shifted to the grotto, as it was believed that the National Flag cannot be above a statue of Jesus.
Now the two statues vie with each other for public veneration.
Further, during Lent, every week statues are placed in front of the Blessed Sacrament in connection with different Passion scenes.
Animism, where God was worshipped through Nature, was followed by anthropological worship. The bronze serpent set up by Moses in Numbers 21.9 was worshipped by the Jews. This led to Hezekiah destroying the Bronze Serpent (Nehustan), because the Israelites were burning incense to it.
Anthropomorphic worship was followed by Mineramorphic worship.
When Paul was asked about who Jesus was, a God outside the Greek pantheon, he pointed to a statue of the Unknown God erected by the Athenians.”What therefore you unknowingly worship, I proclaim to you. (Acts17:23-24).
The ultimate transition to spiritual worship was explained by Jesus Himself to the woman at the well, who queried as to whether she should follow ancestral worship on the mountain, or Jewish worship in the Temple of Jerusalem.”God is Spirit, and those who Worship Him must worship in Spirit and truth.”(John4:19-24).

John1:1 beautifully states,” In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God”. (En archai, ain ho logos, kai ho logos ain pros ton Theon",)
The beauty of Creation is enough to remind us of our Creator. Psalm 19:1-2: “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the expanse proclaims His handiwork. Day to day utters speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.”
In addition, our very existence as the redeemed of the
Lord, sanctified and made righteous by His blood shed on the cross for our
sins should have Him always before eyes and minds.

Further, most of the images of Jesus portray Him in a softened, quasi-romantic style as a
handsome and winsome young man while, in fact, there was in Him no stately bearing to make us look at Him,
nor appearance that would attract us to Him.
“He Was spurned and Avoided by men,
a Man of suffering, accustomed to infirmity,
Only those from whom men hide their faces,
Spurned and we held him in no esteem.” (Isaiah 53:2-3).
Yet we draw consolation and strength for the awesome power of His Suffering and Death and Resurrection.
“By His Stripes we are Healed.”(Isaiah53:5)

Peter, James, John, and the gospel writers did not give us an image of Christ. Pictures were made later allegedly to ensure white dominance over the world.
The Bible, the very Word of God, is vividly filled with images of Christ that
capture our imaginations and thrill our souls. He is the Light of the
world (John 1:4-5); the very Bread of life (John 6:32-33); the living
Water that quenches the thirst of our souls (John 4:14); the High Priest
Who intercedes for us with the Father (Hebrews 2:17); the Good Shepherd
Who lays down His life for us, His sheep (John 10:11, 14); the spotless
Lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8),
the Author and Perfecter of our faith (Hebrews 12:2); the Way, the Truth,
The Life (John 14:6); and the very image of the invisible God (Colossians
1:15). How can we even consider reducing Him to a piece of paper and
hanging Him on the wall?
The litmus test is whether we accept Divinity in the idol, or perceive the idol as Divinity.
Gradually, the image transcends the divine Reality.
Still, we ridicule others who keep images related to their perception of Divinity.
It is often reiterated that we worship Jesus and Venerate Mary. However, if images of Jesus and Mary are juxtaposed, devotees reverently kiss the Image of Jesus along with Mary. If Mary is depicted crushing Satan under her feet, a kiss is often extended to Satan for good measure.
No doubt, statues and images are a flourishing industry. Yet Satan tempted Eve with the apple, saying, ‘You will be like gods. (Gen.3:5).
The golden calf was worshipped when God was Giving Moses the Ten Commandments. (Exodus32:1-24).
At the Last Supper, The World’s First Communion, the Apostles received the body and Blood of Jesus. Thereafter, they went to sleep in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Matthew26:36-45).
His adversaries experienced Jesus and “fell to the ground.”(John18:6).
Paul lucidly explained,”TheGod Who Made the world and all that is in it, the Lord of Heaven and Earth, does not dwell in sanctuaries made by human hands, nor is he served by human hands because He Needs anything. Rather it is He Who Gives to everyone life and breath and everything.”(Acts17:24).Breath is the umbilical cord linking us to God.” before the silver cord is broken…” (Ecclesiastes12.6).
Instead of images of Jesus,let us worship God in Silence and Breath.
 
I loved reading your post, I have read it 12 times now but, the bible does give a discription of Jesus.
 
Well first we have to acknowledge that the 10 Commandments have a slightly different in order between Catholics and Methodists.

Catholicism defines the first commandment (according to the Catechism):

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.

This commandment says that the LORD is God, You shall have no other gods, and no idolatry.

The Methodist however takes the first part of this commandment as a preface, rather than numbering.

[snip]

Laus Deo
There are 22 imperatives in the Exodus passage that contains the 10 Commandments. Neither the verses nor the commandments are numbered in the ancient manuscripts. The convention of “10” no doubt comes from the ease of counting them on your fingers - essentially, a summary or mnemonic form of the Covenant.

Some of the imperatives are more obviously linked than others. Which ones are the “essential” commandments and which are the “explanations/expansions” has been interpreted in a couple of ways over the years. The two basic breaks are - is the “no graven image” commandment a part of the “no false gods” commandment, and "is there a single “covet nothing” commandment or is coveting someone’s spouse fundamentally different from coveting someones goods?

Two other considerations:
  1. the suggestion that “make no images” is an essential commandment is belayed by the fact that God commanded the carving of images in several places already cited in this thread.
  2. the belief that the “coveting” commandments divide into two makes for a neat rhetorical pattern whereby 5-6-7 are prohibitted “major” acts and 8-9-10 are the corrolating “preludes” (killing/lying about; adultery/coveting sexual partners; stealing/coveting objects)
 
I loved reading your post, I have read it 12 times now but, the bible does give a discription of Jesus.
Although written about a hundred years after Jesus Walked this earth, the Bible does give us a description of Jesus. More metaphysical than physical.
Isaiah53:3; Acts 4:11; 2Cor.4.4; Col.1:15-19
Genesis 1:26 is more elaborate.”Let Us Make Man in Our Image, after Our Likeness.”
That is why Jesus Encapsulates the Greatest Commandment as love of our neighbor reflecting our love of God.
“There was a scholar of the law who stood up to test Him and said, “Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus Said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read it?” He replied, “You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your being, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” He Replied to him,”You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.” (Luke10:25-28).
Instead of images, we should try loving our neighbor.🙂
”Whoever does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God Whom he has not seen.”(1 John4:20).
 
Hello everyone.

I was recently reading the Ten Commandments in the Catholic Bible and I noticed that the Second Commandment is different from how it is worded in the Protestant Bibles.

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Which version of the Decalogue? There are two in the bible, on in Exodus 10:2-17 and on in Deuteronomy 5:6-21.

Here they are from the Protestant King James 1611 Version:
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

Here they are from the Catholic New American Bible:
Exo 20:3 You shall not have other gods besides me.
Deu 5:7 You shall not have other gods besides me.
 
Thank you everyone for responding. This has been an interesting discussion.
 
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