The Shroud of Turin and Padre Pio

[spotty]

ive wondered since i was a kid or a younger kid anyway, if the shroud of turin is authentic, then how can this be reconciled to the fact that stigmatists such as padre pio and st francis received pierced palms (among other wounds) whereas, the shroud depicts One with pierced wrists. why the variance? to my knowledge there isnt anyone who has recieved the stigmata in their wrists. it just seems odd that the pierced feet and side match, yet not the hands
anyone else thought about this?

im definitely not saying the shroud or the stigmata of these holy men isnt authentic by the way. i have my own thoughts how it can be reconciled, but i thought id see first what other people thought.

 

[Insight]

ive wondered since i was a kid or a younger kid anyway, if the shroud of turin is authentic, then how can this be reconciled to the fact that stigmatists such as padre pio and st francis received pierced palms (among other wounds) whereas, the shroud depicts One with pierced wrists. why the variance? to my knowledge there isnt anyone who has recieved the stigmata in their wrists. it just seems odd that the pierced feet and side match, yet not the hands
anyone else thought about this?

im definitely not saying the shroud or the stigmata of these holy men isnt authentic by the way. i have my own thoughts how it can be reconciled, but i thought id see first what other people thought.

Probably out of mercy, as it would not permit the stigmatist to have wrist function. The Shroud’s 14th Century dating has been shown to be in error by Shroud Researcher Brenden Whiting:

DatingTheShroud.com

God Bless

 

[Maryann_C]

ive wondered since i was a kid or a younger kid anyway, if the shroud of turin is authentic, then how can this be reconciled to the fact that stigmatists such as padre pio and st francis received pierced palms (among other wounds) whereas, the shroud depicts One with pierced wrists. why the variance? to my knowledge there isnt anyone who has recieved the stigmata in their wrists. it just seems odd that the pierced feet and side match, yet not the hands
anyone else thought about this?

im definitely not saying the shroud or the stigmata of these holy men isnt authentic by the way. i have my own thoughts how it can be reconciled, but i thought id see first what other people thought.

I have often wondered the same thing. Recently in our Church we got a new , bigger, crucifix ,it was supposed to be an exact replica of the old one but has one difference. The old one has the nails in the wrists and the new in the palms of the hands which raised the subject with a friend. I made the same point about the stigmatists and later remembered the Shroud conflicting with this seemingly. However we only see the shroud from the back of the hand. I suppose it is possible that the nails went in at an angle…I shudder to think of the pain my poor Lord suffered.
I know that there is a belief that some stigmatics somehow psychologically cause their own wounds by meditating on the Passion so intensely that they ‘recreate’ the symptoms in their own bodies. One would have to imagine however that both Padre Pio and St Francis were aware of the Shroud …perhaps even saw a painted replica, written account or perhaps heard a verbal account from someone who had see it and if they believed it was truly the burial Shroud of our Lord Jesus and had somehow inflicted their own wounds they would have tried to make them match.

If however the Gospel accounts in both Luke 24 v 39, 40 " See my hands and my feet…And when he had said this he showed them his hands and his feet " , and in John ,where we get the story of doubting Thomas , John 20 v 25 " Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails…" are correct then the stigmatists are truly authentic mysteries and the shroud may not be that of Jesus but perhaps some other poor soul.

 

[FurtherSuntime]

I read a book on the life of Padre Pio a few years ago. To be honest there were many things I felt were inconsistent with the general theme… in a book of that nature.

Someone can correct me… isn’t he the Priest who also had all kinds of violent visits from the devil himself while sleeping…? Also apparently people traveled from all over to go to confession with him. Before the person could confess on some occasions Padre Pio would go into a raging fit suggesting some kind of knowledge of the persons spiritual state.

Of course the experience would leave the person stunned , devestated and without hope. I don’t go for non-sense like that. NO WAY:thumbsup:

Other things .I can’t remember… and its getting late. I was very very dis-appointed in what I read.

No question it would appear the man was unique, gifted or whatever we might call it. Not sure though how much sheer God connected integrity can be injected into happenings. Not judging but definitely would not recommend book.

 

[Maryann_C]

ive wondered since i was a kid or a younger kid anyway, if the shroud of turin is authentic, then how can this be reconciled to the fact that stigmatists such as padre pio and st francis received pierced palms (among other wounds) whereas, the shroud depicts One with pierced wrists. why the variance? to my knowledge there isnt anyone who has recieved the stigmata in their wrists. it just seems odd that the pierced feet and side match, yet not the hands
anyone else thought about this?

im definitely not saying the shroud or the stigmata of these holy men isnt authentic by the way. i have my own thoughts how it can be reconciled, but i thought id see first what other people thought.

I read a book on the life of Padre Pio a few years ago. To be honest there were many things I felt were inconsistent with the general theme… in a book of that nature.

Someone can correct me… isn’t he the Priest who also had all kinds of violent visits from the devil himself while sleeping…? Also apparently people traveled from all over to go to confession with him. Before the person could confess on some occasions Padre Pio would go into a raging fit suggesting some kind of knowledge of the persons spiritual state.

Of course the experience would leave the person stunned , devestated and without hope. I don’t go for non-sense like that. NO WAY:thumbsup:

Other things .I can’t remember… and its getting late. I was very very dis-appointed in what I read.

No question it would appear the man was unique, gifted or whatever we might call it. Not sure though how much sheer God connected integrity can be injected into happenings. Not judging but definitely would not recommend book.

This is awfully frustrating that my CAF will not allow me just to quote one sentence and now even when i hit post reply without a quote it seems to be copying everything. if someone can help i would appreciate it…
Anyway I have to disagree with not recommending the book ( not listed) on Padre Pio. His story was actually one that was part of my conversion and entry into full communion with the Catholic Church.

 

[Moontown_Rabbit]

You might want to read a book called “A Doctor At Calvary”. This book is not for the faint of heart, as the anatomist/doctor who wrote it goes into terrible detail with regard to the sufferings of Christ. He used the Shroud and his medical experience to produce a vivid description of the Crucifixion. He actually performed experiments on cadavers and determined that if nails alone are used, the palms cannot hold the weight of a body. This conclusion is supported by the image on the Shroud. With regard to the scripture accounts, the Greek word used is χείρ. This can mean either hand or wrist.