The Shroud of Turin: What's Your Opinion?

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The conclusions of the STURP team (who carbon-tested the Shroud) are very interesing. The money quote at the end of the conclusions says it all: “It is not the product of an artist.” Therefore, it cannot be a ‘medieval forgery’ as so many say.
A Summary of STURP’s Conclusions
Editor’s Note: After years of exhaustive study and evaluation of the data, STURP issued its Final Report in 1981. The following official summary of their conclusions was distributed at the press conference held after their final meeting in October 1981:

No pigments, paints, dyes or stains have been found on the fibrils. X-ray, fluorescence and microchemistry on the fibrils preclude the possibility of paint being used as a method for creating the image… Computer image enhancement and analysis by a device known as a VP-8 image analyzer show that the image has unique, three-dimensional information encoded in it. Microchemical evaluation has indicated no evidence of any spices, oils, or any biochemicals known to be produced by the body in life or in death. It is clear that there has been a direct contact of the Shroud with a body, which explains certain features such as scourge marks, as well as the blood. However, while this type of contact might explain some of the features of the torso, it is totally incapable of explaining the image of the face with the high resolution that has been amply demonstrated by photography.

… For an adequate explanation for the image of the Shroud, one must have an explanation which is scientifically sound, from a physical, chemical, biological and medical viewpoint. At the present, this type of solution does not appear to be obtainable by the best efforts of the members of the Shroud Team. Furthermore, experiments in physics and chemistry with old linen have failed to reproduce adequately the phenomenon presented by the Shroud of Turin. The scientific concensus is that the image was produced by something which resulted in oxidation, dehydration and conjugation of the polysaccharide structure of the microfibrils of the linen itself. Such changes can be duplicated in the laboratory by certain chemical and physical processes. A similar type of change in linen can be obtained by sulfuric acid or heat. However, there are no chemical or physical methods known which can account for the totality of the image, nor can any combination of physical, chemical, biological or medical circumstances explain the image adequately.

Thus, the answer to the question of how the image was produced or what produced the image remains, now, as it has in the past, a mystery.

We can conclude for now that the Shroud image is that of a real human form of a scourged, crucified man. It is not the product of an artist. The blood stains are composed of hemoglobin and also give a positive test for serum albumin. The image is an ongoing mystery and until further chemical studies are made, perhaps by this group of scientists, or perhaps by some scientists in the future, the problem remains unsolved.
 
FYI: The STURP scientists were locked out of the 1988 C-14 date testing.
 
Microchemical evaluation has indicated no evidence of any spices, oils, or any biochemicals known to be produced by the body in life or in death.
Doesn’t Scripture say the women who went to the Tomb anointed Jesus with spices and oils or does it
say they came to Annoint Him with spices and oils but He’d already risen?
 
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If you are waiting for a C-14 test that shows an age of 2000 years, you are waiting in vain. No part of the Shroud will date to any more that 800 years,
Why? Please explain.
Please see my first post. As reported in the Gospel of Matthew, our Lord’s corpse disappeared from inside of a sealed and guarded tomb. When His body vanished into another dimension, some elemental particles were left behind. The neutrons would have caused some of the nitrogen in the Shroud’s linen fibers to convert to C-14. That is why the Shroud has an enhanced carbon fourteen content, and the closer to where the body lay, the more C-14.

I refer you to Mark Antonacci’s excellent research on this subject:

TEST THE SHROUD, Antonacci, 2015
 
Please see my first post. As reported in the Gospel of Matthew, our Lord’s corpse disappeared from inside of a sealed and guarded tomb. When His body vanished into another dimension, some elemental particles were left behind. The neutrons would have caused some of the nitrogen in the Shroud’s linen fibers to convert to C-14. That is why the Shroud has an enhanced carbon fourteen content, and the closer to where the body lay, the more C-14.

I refer you to Mark Antonacci’s excellent research on this subject:

TEST THE SHROUD, Antonacci, 2015
Ok, got it.
 
The women brought spices to the tomb on Sunday morning and He had already risen, but elsewhere it said that Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimethea anointed Him before burial, so there seems to be a conflict there.
 
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The women brought spices to the tomb on Sunday morning and He had already risen, but elsewhere it said that Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimethea anointed Him before burial, so there seems to be a conflict there.
The Shroud has no spices on it. Is there an explanation for that?
 
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Why anyone would think that scientists could prove or disprove anything of Supernatural origin or existence is beyond me.

I believe it’s real.
 
Why anyone would think that scientists could prove or disprove anything of Supernatural origin or existence is beyond me.
Well, the scientists of the 1978 investigation presumed that they would find out how the mysterious image on the Shroud was made in just a few days. That didn’t happen. After five intensive 24 hours days of gathering data and another three years of analysis, the team was in agreement that their investigation could not answer the question of how the Image was made. They were also in agreement that no evidence that they found precluded the cloth from being the burial cloth of Jesus. In fact, the only reason that they did not come right out and say that the Shroud of Turin was, in fact, the authentic cloth of Jesus Christ was that, as scientists and thereby following very strict rules for reaching conclusions, they did not have any test to confirm the identity of the person that had been buried in the Shroud.

So science confirms what we already believed: that the Image on the Shroud is of a miraculous nature.
 
Occams razor can be helpful. Either it is the most unique work of art in the whole history of the world that 21st century technology can’t reproduce. Or…
 
What scientific tests are you referring to which do not agree with tradition? I am aware of a few studies which placed its age at a few hundred years old, but those were thoroughly discredited after an error in their technique was discovered.

As far as I’m aware, science doesn’t have any good explanation for the Shroud.
 
I thought this is worthy to share, especially when “scientific” tests are spoken …
Sceptics may dismiss the Turin Shroud, but there is good evidence the relic is authentic

Sceptics pooh-pooh the whole story. They refer to the 1987 Carbon-14 dating and say, “It’s medieval. Science has spoken. That settles it.” But the believers bounce back, and year by year, as modern technology advances, more and more evidence accumulates which causes anyone who reads the research to be sceptical of the sceptics. The most recent claim – that the blood on the Shroud is from a torture victim – has re-opened the debate.
Further on:
However, a good detective does not rely on one piece of evidence. Instead he gathers and weighs all the facts. Here are the pieces of evidence which I find compelling.
  1. The image. It is not a stain, nor is it painted on the Shroud. It is not burned on in a conventional heat application method. Instead it is seared on to the cloth with a technology that has yet to be explained. Not only can scientists and historians not reproduce the image using medieval technologies, they can’t reproduce it with modern technology.
  2. The 3D capabilities of the image. The image of the man on the Shroud can be read by 3D imaging technology. Paintings fail this test.
Read more at: Catholic Herald UK
 
I believe in the Shroud of Turin … no amount of testing results will ever sway my belief.
 
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One of the most remarkable qualities of the shroud image is one that was first discovered when Secondo Pia took the first photographs of the shroud. It turns out that the image on the shroud is essentially a photographic negative. When Pia developed his photographs the image on the developed “negative” was in fact clearly a positive image. The shroud itself was the negative.
 
Based on my reading and personal experience, I believe the Shroud of Turin is real.
 
Yes, that is the value in examination of the cloth itself. Science can date objects.
 
Thus the image associated with the Holy Face devotion.

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