The Sign of Peace continues to bring division

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Perhaps we need priests and deacons to remind the parish of what’s important and the intent. I don’t say that as a reprimand, but maybe occasional teaching masses are needed so us laypeople (most of whom don’t go to online communities such as CAF) understand the mass.

To be honest, I myself wasn’t thinking properly on the SoP until I read Deacon Jeff’s posts in this topic. Thinking of it as the Church community reconciling with each other (see Mt 5: 24 perhaps?) before offering oneself at the altar and receiving the sacrament seems perfectly in line with it’s placement before the Agnus Dei (or before mass).
 
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Very good then.

So all that’s needed then is greater catechesis among the people, and implementation of already existing Vatican guidelines.
 
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But as I point out…it’s not working…it’s not essential at all. The Eucharist Himself is essential…and the peace and unity we seek isn’t in hand shake, it’s in Him when we receive Him. When we say Yes to Him Who said Yes to us first.
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The Eucharist is not an object.
The kiss of peace, or the sharing of peace, is an essential part of what the Eucharist is.
The Eucharist makes the Body of Christ just that, one Body, through Him,with Him and in Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Absolutely.

But it’s more urgently needed with regard to the specific liturgical ritual at hand.
 
Reconciliation with our brothers and sisters is very important as part of becoming one in Christ through the Eucharist.
 
Traditional what way?
Traditional Roman way? Traditional Jewish way?

Anyway if the universal Church is really universal it must not be limited to the custom of a minority culture in the world.

I don’t think there is a right or wrong tradition, just different. The document posted clearly states local customs need to be considered.

So the church in my opinion should recommend (not mandate) a gesture that is near universally accepted. A kiss of peace would definitely not be universally accepted. Handshaking is objected by some. But I can’t see much objection to a nod.
 
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At my church there are many who sort of wave around the hippy V at everyone within eyesight. It tends to look like a joke…judgmental, I know…but I don’t think it’s reverent.
 
katrina my comments were not unkind to anyone, merely my opinion, i wasnt judging anyone, you are judging me. you were offended by my opinion is what you could have said and just left it at that and that is more towards the truth.
 
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In our culture, the kiss of peace would be good for sales of listerine.
Cause we are not into guessing what flavor of salsa someone ate last night. Might be too intimate for our culture.
 
Lack of understanding in those things is not causing the liturgical assembly to descend into chaos at every Mass and causing severe scandal to thousands of Catholics on a weekly basis.

IMO, the Sign of Peace is the #1 most important liturgical rite which is in desperate need of explanation to the Church.
 
Must be a cultural differences thing across the world. This has never been a problem for me. I mostly see understated handshakes and half-whispered ‘‘peace be with you’’. Far from having family love-ins, I see just as many people ignore their spouse/family members - as if they’ve assumed giving them the peace to be superfluous - and just shake hands with strangers around them instead.

But I know other people’s experience will vary greatly.
 
When we worship together, things can be messy. I don’t see this as division. This is humanity.

If you expect it to be perfect, you will be disappointed. On the other hand, if you have realistic expectations for a gathering of distinct and varied individuals, you will see the underlying order and beauty.
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We’d be better to simply pray for peace and unity which we are about to receive in infinite quantities from Our Lord.

He is the peace. He is the unity.
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This sounds like individual religion – just God and me.

Or everyone separately praying to God?

No. The Mass wouldn’t be the Mass without distinct individuals, sinners all, each with his or her unique imperfections, coming together and joining in prayer and worship.

Surely a better Mass is celebrated in Heaven, but here on earth we have to make do with what we are given, and you know what? It works out beautifully, and gives glory to God.
 
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It isnt a horrible idea, it is free will, forcing people to do something they dont want to do because one thinks it is in their best interest is what the problem is. an is the cultural problem some people are having with the sign of peace, it is a drastic option or change, but it wouldnt be any worse than people already coming to the catholic church who are not catholic during christmas and easter and recieving communion, or marriage out of wed lock catholics, and etc. but you are right abolishing the mass altogether would be bad.

More over i find it rather funny how it really appears some of the conversation here is to try and i guess win an arguement over what member (name removed by moderator) is saying yet all of a sudden my opinion comes out an i got two people screaming , one screaming TOS violation and the other saying im being unkind and judgemental.

I can handle people saying they dont like my opinion though, just noticing how things are on this forum, it is interesting.
 
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There’s no need to at my Cathedral parish.

It’s always done very soberly and devoutly here.

Maybe Edward could print out some pages with the comments you’ve quoted on here from the Holy See and put them around his parish?

Or approach his Pastor about mentioning them in the bulletin and/or homily?
 
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1325 "The Eucharist is the efficacious sign and sublime cause of that communion in the divine life and that unity of the People of God by which the Church is kept in being. It is the culmination both of God’s action sanctifying the world in Christ and of the worship men offer to Christ and through him to the Father in the Holy Spirit."138
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The Eucharist is bound up with the unity of the Church, one to the other, with all others. Through Him, with Him, in Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit.
I think it’s symptomatic of modernist viewpoints that we consider the Eucharist to be merely an object.
 
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I don’t know; I guess just take this for whatever it’s worth, but my experience with it is, and always has been, one that does indeed convey peace and always brings me closer to God. I can’t recall a time when I’ve been left with a bad feeling. Maybe one of those times I brought baggage into mass with me possibly. I guess to each their own, though.

I have just one question: what is m*n? I admit that I’m not as up on things as many people are these days, but please help me instead of mocking me. It’s an innocent question, not sarcastic, and not bait.
 
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