The Sign of Peace is a Colossal Waste of Time

[ConstantineTG]

Source?

The congregational offering of the sign of peace is in the Latin GIRM. I don’t know where you get the idea that it’s in the US and Canada by indult.

Maybe Anne thought there is an indult for the shaking of hands. I haven’t experienced hand shaking outside of the US and Canada. Its usually a nod with the words, “peace be with you”.

 

[paperwight66]

Maybe Anne thought there is an indult for the shaking of hands. I haven’t experienced hand shaking outside of the US and Canada. Its usually a nod with the words, “peace be with you”.

I think it’s more widespread than that. There’s certainly handshaking in the UK, Australia and New Zealand, and unless I put my foot in it when I did it there, in Spain as well

 

[Barbkw]

Confession of one’s faults is part of the reconciliation process. I had seen the sign of peace as part of that reconciliation process. Perhaps it is the conclusion of that process since one can not offer peace if one is not first reconciled to his/her neighbor.



I think I understand. By the time we get to the part of the Mass where the sign of Peace is exchanged, we are already at the point of reconciliation.

If the sin agains our neighbor is mortal, then that needs to have been taken to Reconciliation with a priest. If however, the sin against our neighbor is venial, the Confiteor and the Mass will absolve it.

 

[ANNE_2]

From GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal)
**" ** 82. The Rite of Peace follows, by which the Church asks for peace and unity for herself and for the whole human family, and the faithful express to each other their ecclesial communion and mutual charity before communicating in the Sacrament.

As for the sign of peace to be given, the manner is to be established by Conferences of Bishops in accordance with the culture and customs of the peoples. It is, however, appropriate that each person offer the sign of peace only to those who are nearest and in a sober manner. "

Hugging, hand shaking, kissing, talking to each other, waving, turning ones back on the alter and tabernacle, etc., is not part of GIRM.

usccb.org/liturgy/current/revmissalisromanien.shtml

The above is for the ordinary Mass, not the extraordinary also call Tridentine, Traditional or Latin Mass which uses the 1962 Missal.

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1100868.htm

 

[Elizabeth502]

If the sin agains our neighbor is mortal, then that needs to have been taken to Reconciliation with a priest. If however, the sin against our neighbor is venial, the Confiteor and the Mass will absolve it.

I won’t argue with the theology of this idea. I think, though, that there’s some power in the immediacy of the gesture in the context of liturgy (or, as I say, before it). Christian sacramental reconciliation and personal reconciliation are two separate things, but the visible apology was important in ancient Judaism and is carried over today before every Yom Kippur, by which observant Jews are required to make such a gesture directly to those they have injured – in person if possible. I think it’s a beautiful thing. They take this obligation very seriously, too.

I mention this only because at a Mass some time ago I visited the parish of a former estranged associate. I wanted her to know I held no grudges against her (our estrangement had never been resolved), and I knew what Mass time she attended. I left my pew to locate her and embrace her during the Exchange of Peace, and the experience was very powerful for both of us; we probably both needed it equally.

Most of the time, we probably injure people who don’t attend our (or any nearby) parish (and may not even be Catholic), so this kind of thing is not that practical, but that’s also why modern Jews do what they do.

 

[centurionguard]

From GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal)
**" ** 82. The Rite of Peace follows, by which the Church asks for peace and unity for herself and for the whole human family, and the faithful express to each other their ecclesial communion and mutual charity before communicating in the Sacrament.

As for the sign of peace to be given, the manner is to be established by Conferences of Bishops in accordance with the culture and customs of the peoples. It is, however, appropriate that each person offer the sign of peace only to those who are nearest and in a sober manner. "

Hugging, hand shaking, kissing, talking to each other, waving, turning ones back on the alter and tabernacle, etc., is not part of GIRM.

usccb.org/liturgy/current/revmissalisromanien.shtml

The above is for the ordinary Mass, not the extraordinary also call Tridentine, Traditional or Latin Mass which uses the 1962 Missal.

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1100868.htm

As for the sign of peace to be given, the manner is to be established by Conferences of Bishops in accordance with the culture and customs of the peoples. It is, however, appropriate that each person offer the sign of peace only to those who are nearest and in a sober manner.

Emphasis on Sober Manner.

Hugging, hand shaking, kissing, talking to each other, waving, turning ones back on the alter and tabernacle, etc., is not part of GIRM

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This makes me wonder who the Liturgist were pressuring the Conferences of Bishops to seek an Indult. Like as if someone or a group liturgist in the pre-existing Novus Ordo before the Indult saw the need to spice up the Mass.

Just asking

With all the

Hugging, hand shaking, kissing, talking to each other, waving, turning ones back on the alter and tabernacle, etc.

seems vitally important.

I find it distracting away from the focus of Jesus Sacrificially Present on the Altar.

Permit me to make an example: would any of us Catholics expect to see such a display of distraction with Jesus’s hidden Presence at the Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament in the Monstrance?

If Not then why at Mass?

Over the years many comfortable Euphemisms have found themselves integrated into the liturgy of the Mass. And of course most Catholics just go along to get along without noticing any liturgical new implementation breaking stride from the norm.

I’m just making an observation.

With all due respect
Peace
Chris

 

[Phemie]

From GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal)
**" **82. The Rite of Peace follows, by which the Church asks for peace and unity for herself and for the whole human family, and the faithful express to each other their ecclesial communion and mutual charity before communicating in the Sacrament.

As for the sign of peace to be given, the manner is to be established by Conferences of Bishops in accordance with the culture and customs of the peoples. It is, however, appropriate that each person offer the sign of peace only to those who are nearest and in a sober manner. "

Hugging, hand shaking, kissing, talking to each other, waving, turning ones back on the alter and tabernacle, etc., is not part of GIRM.

The GIRM is a universal document and as such doesn’t impose a gesture at this moment because what flies in the US doesn’t necessarily do so in Korea, Japan or India. The specific gesture is left up to national bishops’ conferences. The USCCB opted not to impose a gesture or words but left it up to individual parishes. That’s not an indult, it’s what was in their power to do.

Some parishes are more gregarious than other. When it started, people were rather shy about even shaking hands during Mass. The situation we frequently see today has developed over the course of 35 years. It has been encouraged in no small part by priests who made sure to walk up and down the aisles shaking everyone’s hand lest someone feel left out. To counter that, RS says that priests must ordinarily remain in the sanctuary but it does allow exceptions such as at funerals, weddings, etc.

 

[MarkThompson]

This makes me wonder who the Liturgist were pressuring the Conferences of Bishops to seek an Indult. Like as if someone or a group liturgist in the pre-existing Novus Ordo before the Indult saw the need to spice up the Mass.

Just asking

Chris: There is no indult. The exchange of peace is in the universal Missal; it is not something our bishops had to petition and get special permission for.

 

[centurionguard]

Chris: There is no indult. The exchange of peace is in the universal Missal; it is not something our bishops had to petition and get special permission for.

Thank You for remedying my confusion with this respect

Peace
Chris