The Sign of the Cross

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Left to right, hmm. A latinization?

I already use the Byzantine finger configuration as I am slightly byzantinized myself.

This is good information, thanks!
 
Left to right, hmm. A latinization?
Actually Elizium, left to right is not a latinization for Syriacs. That would actually be anachronistic since we probably crossed ourselves left to right before the Latins even did :p.

It’s a same, though, that Maronites associate proper finger configuration with being “Orthodox.” I don’t so much have an issue with Maronites who don’t put three fingers together as the people who have blatantly told me that we’re not Greek and I should stop because I’m doing it “wrong.” The finger configuration is a formulaic expression of theology not a sign of communion :rolleyes:.
 
Left to right, hmm. A latinization?
No. All Oriental Orthodox cross themselves left-to-right. It has nothing to do with Rome, and everything to do with specifically Oriental theology. There is also specific hand shapes to be used by some according to our Christology, which understandably differs from the Syriac Catholics and others who have made peace with the Tome of Leo as part of coming to Rome (the Copts don’t use the Greek way of folding two fingers in, for instance). The Orthodox Tewahedo (Ethiopians and Eritreans) probably have the most developed symbolism behind all their hand-shapes (I’ve seen it; they form a kind of “L” shape; very unique). I found on another messageboard this beautiful explanation from an Ethiopian deacon which explains some of the symbolism:
Position 1 (Meaning: The Cross of Salvation or “power of the cross” we say Haili’h Mesq’hl.)
We make a cross with the index over the middle finger. In so doing we position (or orient) the index finger as ‘center’ to the middle finger as possible while keeping the index finger straight until the last segment of the middle finger naturally bends downward. Thus making a cross with these two fingers.
Position 2 ( Meaning:Trinity Meaning also: God in man with 1 divine nature we say Tewahido)
While holding the above crossed figure position we then place our thumb on the tip of the ring finger while keeping the pinky ‘tight-up’ to the ring finger.
Now these finger positions define the belief.
While holding the two positions we make the sign of the Holy Cross while saying and raising the tip of the index finger to touch the forehead (In the name of the Father), then to touch the middle of the chest (in the name of the Son) , then to touch the left shoulder (In the name of the Holy Spirit), then to touch the right shoulder (One God), then a bow from the hip while saying in conclusion Amen.
WE go left to right to indicate a few things such as:
Left: Prophets
Right:Apostles
Left: Old Testament
Right: New Testament
Left: West
Right: East
Left: Christ crossed the red sea to Africa Egypt
Right: Christ crossed the red sea back to Jerusalem (Fulfilling the prophecy “out of Egypt I call my Son”)
Left: The thief on the left hand
Right: The thief on the right hand
Left: From sin
Right: To righteousness, Fulfillment. Christ last or 7Th word on the cross: “It is finished”
 
This is good information, thanks!
You’re welcome, God Bless!
Actually Elizium, left to right is not a latinization for Syriacs. That would actually be anachronistic since we probably crossed ourselves left to right before the Latins even did :p.
I can confirm that these are my findings as well.
Position 1 (Meaning: The Cross of Salvation or “power of the cross” we say Haili’h Mesq’hl.)
We make a cross with the index over the middle finger. In so doing we position (or orient) the index finger as ‘center’ to the middle finger as possible while keeping the index finger straight until the last segment of the middle finger naturally bends downward. Thus making a cross with these two fingers.
Thank you for the info on how it is done in the Coptic Church. If you wish, may you leave a comment on the blog post to illustrate to other readers how this is done in your Mother Church? As well as the expansion on the symbolism that was mentioned.

Thanks, God Bless.
 
No. All Oriental Orthodox cross themselves left-to-right. It has nothing to do with Rome, and everything to do with specifically Oriental theology. There is also specific hand shapes to be used by some according to our Christology, which understandably differs from the Syriac Catholics and others who have made peace with the Tome of Leo as part of coming to Rome (the Copts don’t use the Greek way of folding two fingers in, for instance). The Orthodox Tewahedo (Ethiopians and Eritreans) probably have the most developed symbolism behind all their hand-shapes (I’ve seen it; they form a kind of “L” shape; very unique). I found on another messageboard this beautiful explanation from an Ethiopian deacon which explains some of the symbolism:
Now I know this is going to sound facetious, but I promise you, I don’t mean it that way.
What do arthritics of your faith do? I mean I tried, using your explanation, to position my fingers as described, and got about half way there, but ended up finishing with an “ouch!” for my efforts.
 
Thank you for the info on how it is done in the Coptic Church. If you wish, may you leave a comment on the blog post to illustrate to other readers how this is done in your Mother Church? As well as the expansion on the symbolism that was mentioned.
I would, shlomo3amrooh, but what I presented above is the Tewahedo tradition, not the Coptic. The Copts don’t have such symbolism in our sign of the Cross or the hand-positions used in making it (which do not match the Tewahedo “L” shape), which essentially follows the same explanation as the Syriac that you already posted on the blog: Left to right because Christ’s sacrifice on the cross brings us from the life of sin (left) to the salvation (right). So any comment from me about the Coptic tradition wouldn’t add any new information. We’re essentially the same as the Orthodox Syriacs.
 
I would, shlomo3amrooh, but what I presented above is the Tewahedo tradition, not the Coptic. The Copts don’t have such symbolism in our sign of the Cross or the hand-positions used in making it (which do not match the Tewahedo “L” shape), which essentially follows the same explanation as the Syriac that you already posted on the blog: Left to right because Christ’s sacrifice on the cross brings us from the life of sin (left) to the salvation (right). So any comment from me about the Coptic tradition wouldn’t add any new information. We’re essentially the same as the Orthodox Syriacs.
excuse my ignorance… But what is Tewahedo?
 
I would, shlomo3amrooh, but what I presented above is the Tewahedo tradition, not the Coptic. The Copts don’t have such symbolism in our sign of the Cross or the hand-positions used in making it (which do not match the Tewahedo “L” shape), which essentially follows the same explanation as the Syriac that you already posted on the blog: Left to right because Christ’s sacrifice on the cross brings us from the life of sin (left) to the salvation (right). So any comment from me about the Coptic tradition wouldn’t add any new information. We’re essentially the same as the Orthodox Syriacs.
Oh no worries. I thought Tewahedo was Coptic as well. I did a google and it was not.

Sorry for the confusion.
 
Now I know this is going to sound facetious, but I promise you, I don’t mean it that way.
What do arthritics of your faith do? I mean I tried, using your explanation, to position my fingers as described, and got about half way there, but ended up finishing with an “ouch!” for my efforts.
That’s a really good question, and I have no idea how to answer it. They must do something, as there are an awful lot of elderly Ethiopian and Eritrean laity, priests, and monks who must make the sign of the cross just as often as anyone else in the Church…and the Tewahedo definitely do not get less devout as they age! See, for instance, this elderly Ethiopian monk who is keeping alive the tradition of the rock-hewn churches of Lalibela by carving churches out of solid mountains in the Ethiopian highlands…by himself. :eek: (He has completed four so far. I can barely manage to get to the post office before it closes…)

Whatever they do, something tells me that arthritis won’t stop the Tewahedo. 😉

(Sorry for derailing your thread a bit, OP.)
 
In addition, there’s a “long version” of the sign of the cross, often used in Mexico (and probably other Latin American countries, as well) called persignarse - in which the person crosses himself/herself 4 times (forehead, face, torso, full body), and finishes by kissing the cross formed by his/her thumb and forefinger. During the first 3 crosses (and at the final kissing of the cross), the thumb and forefinger create a cross, and the other three fingers point upward toward heaven. For each cross, there is a short part of a prayer, though I can’t remember the whole thing. I have only seen this done by Spanish-speaking people, though.

I’m wondering if this is simply a Spanish folk tradition or if it is an older church tradition that fell out of favor in other parts of the world.
 
Oh no worries. I thought Tewahedo was Coptic as well. I did a google and it was not.

Sorry for the confusion.
Nothing to apologize for. It’s a common mistake, since Tewahedo were mistakenly called “Copts” for centuries due to their ecclesiastical relation to the Church in Egypt, and old habits die hard. With ~1600 of being administered by the Coptic Orthodox Church before attaining autocephaly (their first bishops were sent by none other than St. Athanasius the Apostolic, but it wasn’t until the time of Pope Yusab II in the 1950s that they attained self-governing status), it’d be a bit naive to think that that particular misnomer would disappear in the space of about 50 years,
 
No. All Oriental Orthodox cross themselves left-to-right. It has nothing to do with Rome, and everything to do with specifically Oriental theology. There is also specific hand shapes to be used by some according to our Christology, which understandably differs from the Syriac Catholics and others who have made peace with the Tome of Leo as part of coming to Rome (the Copts don’t use the Greek way of folding two fingers in, for instance). The Orthodox Tewahedo (Ethiopians and Eritreans) probably have the most developed symbolism behind all their hand-shapes (I’ve seen it; they form a kind of “L” shape; very unique). I found on another messageboard this beautiful explanation from an Ethiopian deacon which explains some of the symbolism:
The “L” shape is their using the first two fingers to make a Cross. Here is a picture of Ethiopian Orthodox Christians showing how they hold their fingers:
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It is very similar to the way that the Old Believers hold their fingers:
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I didn’t know all Orientals cross themselves left-to-right. This was something totally new. Particularly the Ethiopian custom. 👍
In addition, there’s a “long version” of the sign of the cross, often used in Mexico (and probably other Latin American countries, as well) called persignarse - in which the person crosses himself/herself 4 times (forehead, face, torso, full body), and finishes by kissing the cross formed by his/her thumb and forefinger. During the first 3 crosses (and at the final kissing of the cross), the thumb and forefinger create a cross, and the other three fingers point upward toward heaven. For each cross, there is a short part of a prayer, though I can’t remember the whole thing. I have only seen this done by Spanish-speaking people, though.

I’m wondering if this is simply a Spanish folk tradition or if it is an older church tradition that fell out of favor in other parts of the world.
I learned it from my grandmother in the Philippines, although I didn’t know it had a name. I’m not sure, but I thought it’s a version of the triple sign of the cross people make during the reading of the gospel in the Roman Rite Mass (yeah, our family at least somehow tends to default to the persignarse there instead). And yes, we also kiss our thumb and forefinger after making the sign of the cross (you have 300+ years of being a colony of Spain to thank, I guess ;)), although at least the way I do it I don’t keep my other three fingers upward.

The prayer I learned goes like:

(forehead) By the sign of the holy cross / Ang tanda ng Santa Krus
(mouth) deliver us from our enemies, / ipag-adya mo kami sa mga kaaway namin
(breast) O Lord our God. / O Panginoon naming Diyos.
(full sign of the cross) In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen. / Sa ngalan ng Ama at ng Anak at ng Espiritu Santo, Amen.
 
The “L” shape is their using the first two fingers to make a Cross.
Yep. 🙂
It is very similar to the way that the Old Believers hold their fingers:
This was news to me. Predictably, I don’t know the first thing about the Old Believers’ schism in the Byzantine Church. Very interesting to see. Thanks for sharing.
 
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