The Sin Of Onan and Contraception

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“be fruitful and multiply”
but Protestants would tell you that In the Song of Songs you find just the love that is described just as a pleasure.
I really try to find reliable interpretation about the sin of Onan and contraception,if you have some,i would be really thankful.
 
I’m not a Hebrew scholar or a Greek scholar. I can barely grasp English just ask my kids:D However if you are interested I could send you a link to some thoughts by a biblical scholar. I would copy and paste here but not sure if it is frowned on.

Let me know.

Peace,
David
 
the biblical scholar you mean,is his view on this topic catholic or protestant?you can send it to me i appreciate it

thanx
 
sobino,

He is Catholic his name is Father Manuel Miguens. Fr. Manuel Miguens, O.F.M., S.T.D., S.S.D, formally of Catholic University. Fr. Miguens holds doctorates in theology and scripture. He completed his graduate work in Rome, Jerusalem, and Louvain. He is fluent in English, French, German, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, Latin, Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Syriac. He is published in: Spanish, Italian, Latin, and English.

Here are a couple of links:

The second link is a different scholar

nfpandmore.org/2007%20May%20%20SIN%20OF%20ONAN.pdf

catholicherald.com/saunders/98ws/ws980827.htm

God Bless
David
 
sobino,

I think from your earlier posts you are on the right track.

There are a few obvious things to consider about Onan, and the bible.
Although contraception according to medical scholars is quite rampant at this time and especially later (Roman period), (most kinds) – barier intestinal, plant (pharmika) – yet it rarely is mentioned in the bible, and when mentioned is never described in any detail with the exception of Onan.

As Daniel Marsh partially points out, Jewish idiom usually hides the name under a sanitized expression which not all would get until old enough – eg: nakedness refers to any sordid sexual sinful act, to uncover one’s mothers nakedness is to commit incest from son to mother — and so forth. It is a geralized expression, which for some reason is not used about Onan. Normal sexual relations is referred to as “going in” to a woman and “knowing” her.

The very fact that the act of Onan is described in such detail means that the author was going beyond the normal taboo in describing sexual acts to give the extent of the reason Onan’s sin was particularly condemnable. Perhaps the original author could only point to the contraceptive nature of the act as explicable of the death – since “wet” dreams and other such phenomina are mentioned elsewhere as being merely a soruce of “unclenliness” for a day – not a wicked act.

The next thing I would note is that although many others violated levirate law, they were not killed for it. Consider, even Judah broke Hebrew custom by marrying a pagan woman in the first place; as there was undoubtedly a closer kin to whom he owed marriage at this time. But instead Judah married a Pagan woman of the faimily of a man whom he had befriended. This very act would later be the major downfall of the Israelite people, and would be likened to idolatry – the intermarrying of Pagans and accepting their religious practices.

Not a single one of these brothers of this pagan woman makes it into the later geneology of the tribe of Juda – God cuts all three off – but he only executes two, the eldest and second eldest who acted wickedly. The youngest son presumably is not executed because he does not spill the seed - (sperma) in Greek – as he does not marry at all.

The reason for the act being so dispicable as deserving death – though other acts of contraception do not merit death explicitly – in terms of God’s eyes – has two possible sources, one is the source of example. As the Egyptians would be slain in the Red sea, and the unfaithful Israelites in the desert – as an example to future generations – a token execution foreshadowing and revealing God’s will.

But this incident also has to do with the promise of the messiah, as you are probably aware – Jesus is from the tribe of Judah and had Onan and Er succeeded is preventing Tamar from ever having children, God’s promise of salvation handed down through a geneology (in the way he revealed he would do it) – could not have come to fruition through Judah. The sin of Er and Onan then has a magnitude beyond the sin of contraception, in that the sin itself was aimed at destroying God’s entire plan for our salvation.

Explore these thoughts a little, and it will become apparent in the Catholic worldview why contraception is the specific sin being condemned here – and not merely the breaking of a custom which doesn’t carry the death penalty in Levirate law – as already pointed out.
 
The Catholics here just aren’t “getting” the levirate law. I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand. You all keep saying that the “punishment” for violating the levirate law is public humiliation. You are all totally distorting the facts. It is true that the only way to get out of levirate marriage was by going through a public humiliation ceremony outlined in Deut 25:

Deut 25:8-10 Then the elders of his town shall summon him and talk to him. If he persists in saying, “I do not want to marry her,” his brother’s widow shall go up to him in the presence of the elders, take off one of his sandals, spit in his face and say, “This is what is done to the man who will not build up his brother’s family line.” That man’s line shall be known in Israel as The Family of the Unsandaled.

Note that this was the ceremony IF the brother decided to release the woman. Onan DID NOT decide to release Tamar, but slept with her anyway while attempting to not fulfill the actual levirate custom.

If Onan had gone through the ceremony to release her, he would have had virtually no punishment whatsoever. HOWEVER, because he slept with her anyway, and did not provide her with offspring, he was killed by God. Nothing can be determined from this passage regarding the morality of spilling of seed in any other situation. Onan’s was a unique situation that, as far as I know, has never been repeated in the Bible. Onan was killed because of his deceitful treatment of Judah, his deceased brother, Tamar, and God.
 
The Catholics here just aren’t “getting” the levirate law. I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand. You all keep saying that the “punishment” for violating the levirate law is public humiliation. You are all totally distorting the facts. It is true that the only way to get out of levirate marriage was by going through a public humiliation ceremony outlined in Deut 25:
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If Onan had gone through the ceremony to release her, he would have had virtually no punishment whatsoever…
How do you know or show this? It doesn’t fit with scripture very well.

Why would refusing a woman to have children and keeping her be any worse than having a concubine or slave and refusing to give her children?
(Certainly not every slave woman was given children by her master.)

Or again, if only two brothers existed and the second one says “No” how is it possible to have children raised in a brother’s name at all? – yet the case of the “last” brother refusing to raise up seed to his brother is not punished with death, nor is he forbidden to go through the ceremony of humiliation to get rid of her.

Abraham himself was rich with servants and slaves, why is he not punished for being “greedy” – and rather God is displeased with him for using his wife’s slave for procreative purposes…

What you say, partially makes sense – could you clear it up, so that you too do not appear as distorting scripture?

Thanks.
 
Deut 25:7-8 …then his brother’s wife shall go up to the gate to the elders and say, 'My husband’s brother refuses to perpetuate his brother’s name … and if he persists, saying, ‘I do not wish to take her,’, then his brother’s wife shall go up to him in the presence of the elders, and pull his sandal off…"
The Deuteronomy passage allows for the woman to initiate the action - make it public and seek judicial action. Only after that does the man have a part. It is not a case of him releasing her, but of him refusing to do his duty. Perhaps there are other passages, but my Bible doesn’t give any references for them.

However, the problem with invoking the Deuteronomy regulation is that it was not even in existence at the time of Onan.
The Genesis passage about Onan describes it as “the duty of a brother-in-law to her” (Gen 38:8). Scripture doesn’t reveal when or who originated the “duty”.

Later, God does “sanction” this duty by incorporating it into the Mosaic Law. But, the punishment for refusing to carry it out is not death. That makes it highly unlikely that the reason for God’s slaying Onan was because he refused to impregnate his sister-in-law. Why would God punish someone so severely before it was even His law; and then after making it His law, establish a reasonably minor punishment for the same act?

Also, I think it is highly unlikely it was for greed or deceit. Those are common (excuse the expression) sins; God didn’t go around slaying people for them.

I found the following statement in Daniel Marsh’s post very interesting:
Also, the “spilling of the seed” is a saying that refers to homosexuality, “Er and Onan indulged in unnatural intercourse” Yebamoth 34b
It brings to mind the other time God intervened to slay people for their behavior, and it was for “unnatural intercourse” - Sodom and Gomorrah.

Nita
 
Also, the “spilling of the seed” is a saying that refers to homosexuality, “Er and Onan indulged in unnatural intercourse” Yebamoth 34b
By now, Nita, you should no better than to tell such a damaging untruth. It contradicts scripture in it’s entirety! It introduces false notions within a biblical story all at the peril of given a group of people a distorted view of God’s preception of them. Your actions are far from innocent! And you know it!
 
By now, Nita, you should no better than to tell such a damaging untruth. It contradicts scripture in it’s entirety! It introduces false notions within a biblical story all at the peril of given a group of people a distorted view of God’s preception of them. Your actions are far from innocent! And you know it!
I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Nita
 
Your “innocense” is more transparent than you may realize. Please don’t play dumb.
truagape except of insulting nita you could offer us some nice explanation how you see the sin of onan and contraceptives and rather than insulting you could explain what concretly you think nita is wrong with

thanx
 
truagape except of insulting nita you could offer us some nice explanation how you see the sin of onan and contraceptives and rather than insulting you could explain what concretly you think nita is wrong with

thanx
If you think what I said is insulting, which it wasn’t, consider the response Nita made:
It brings to mind the other time God intervened to slay people for their behavior, and it was for “unnatural intercourse” - Sodom and Gomorrah.
She erroneously associated Sodom and Gomorrah with homosexuality.
To the children of God that happen to be “gay” or “lesbian” such a false notion that God destroyed those cities because of homosexuality is the greatest insult projected against those of such an orientation.
 
Your “innocense” is more transparent than you may realize. Please don’t play dumb.
I wasn’t playing dumb. And I’m not sure even now, but it later crossed my mind that you are disagreeing that the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of their homosexual acts. If so, that’s a different topic from the one being discussed here and should have its own thread.

Nita

Edit note: I see you posted while I compiled the above. Now I’m sure what you meant. If you want to start another thread we can discuss that topic there.
 
I wasn’t playing dumb. And I’m not sure even now, but it later crossed my mind that you are disagreeing that the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of their homosexual acts. If so, that’s a different topic from the one being discussed here and should have its own thread.

Nita
I agree, but your hurtful remarks in post #29, warranted a response.
 
Nita,
I think one can argue for the sake of your comparison, that desiring to have sexual relations with “angels” who are male by gender, and alien by race (they aren’t humans) qualifies as “unnatural” sexuality in any event – on par with the use of animals or other creatures for purposes they were not meant for. All sexuality between a human and non-human intentionally performed is condemned scripturally, the homosexual act being condemned specifically in any event regardless of what is made of Sodom and Gomorrah.

The planting of seed in the wrong kind of soil, whether it be earth or excrement or any other kind of soil – is inappropriate with respect to what God intends the act to be for. It also carries undertones of pagan fertility cult practices which were abominations to God specifically because they were done in preference to the obvious intent of the human reproductive organs as designed by God – and whose proper use is shown by the killing of Onan, and other condemnations throughout scripture which do agree and converge as you have pointed out.

The only exception being the burial of accidentally spilled seed, which is therefore considered a loss and not an act of sin.
 
She erroneously associated Sodom and Gomorrah with homosexuality.
To the children of God that happen to be “gay” or “lesbian” such a false notion that God destroyed those cities because of homosexuality is the greatest insult projected against those of such an orientation.
Jude v. 7: Likewise, Sodom, Gomorrah, and the surrounding towns, which …] indulged in sexual promiscuity and practiced unnatural vice, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

I’d say it’s pretty clear-cut, actually.

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
 
The Catholics here just aren’t “getting” the levirate law. I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand. You all keep saying that the “punishment” for violating the levirate law is public humiliation. You are all totally distorting the facts. It is true that the only way to get out of levirate marriage was by going through a public humiliation ceremony outlined in Deut 25:
Why is everyone concentrating on Levirate Law and Onan? What does Onan have to do with a Law that came some 500 or so years later? Onan wasn’t subject to any of the Laws explicitly cited in Deuteronomy unless they were repeated Laws of the Noahide Covenant, IMO.

Ah, now I see that Nita beat me to it. Thanks!!
 
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