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estesbob
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Wasnt obvious to me. Nor does it appear ot was obvious t the numerous critics who have panned the final episode.
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Bruno_esqueXXII
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Lol, I thought that too.At first, I thought something was wrong with our tv…the screen just went blank. lol
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estesbob
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I thought my TIVO had cut it off!
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Bruno_esqueXXII
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I think it was done this way to let you pick one of several options. Could have been the guy in the bathroom; could have been the two “gangsta” looking black kids; and it could very well be that nothing happened and everything went on “normally” in their twisted lives.
I almost favor the conclusion that Tony did get shot and that was the reason for the sudden blackout. But not 100% sure.
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Bruno_esqueXXII
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I understand you aversion to the show, but at the same time, unfortunately, this is one aspect of the world we live in and I don’t think the show was done in an unrealistic, glorifying way. The violence was shown as gruesome and ugly and did not look like “fun” or like some sort of sport the way many shows and movies portray violence.
There are millions of these dark minds in our jails. We believe in “abstaining” from the death penalty in the hopes that people like this will turn from this type of behavior and convert and be saved. This darkness is out there and I think for many of those that watch a show like this understand this and perhaps want to gain some insight from a safe distance into these types of people. I think the show underscored this by having the main character see a psychologist throughout the series.
I do agree, as well though, that many others (in the mainstream without the “moral education”) who watch the show are sucked into the culture of violence and do not have the barrier that may tell them just how wrong lives like these are.
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whatevergirl
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no, it wasn’t obvious. and no i don’t want to see that.
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mastda
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I found the show interesting, compelling and entertaining. Yes I know almost every show had something wrong in it but I learned something from every show.
As a second generation Italian in Canada (still speak, write and read Italian) I found it interesting to see the similarity of the Soprano family to other non-mafia italian families I know, even relatives. Italians are very family oriented and many Italians in Toronto have done very well for themselves and are amongst the upper middle class in terms of income and lifestyle. However the last few years a large percentage of the second and third generations have become cultural cafeteria catholics and not practicing like their parents and grandparents did. First comes the abondonment of the Church and then follows the abandonment of the morals etc., The foundation of the Italian family was always the Church, nothing else. You have seen this in The Sopranos.
As a senior manager, I have learned the way not to manage people. Tony always surrounded himself with people - yes men - who were weak so his leadership was never challenged. This is why his enterprises were failing in the last few years. As a leader if anything you are really just as strong as your weakest link and Tony had many of them.
As to if Jesus would watch the Sopranos? Why would Jesus watch anything on TV at all? He knows how every show ends before it starts that would be boring.
As a second generation Italian in Canada (still speak, write and read Italian) I found it interesting to see the similarity of the Soprano family to other non-mafia italian families I know, even relatives. Italians are very family oriented and many Italians in Toronto have done very well for themselves and are amongst the upper middle class in terms of income and lifestyle. However the last few years a large percentage of the second and third generations have become cultural cafeteria catholics and not practicing like their parents and grandparents did. First comes the abondonment of the Church and then follows the abandonment of the morals etc., The foundation of the Italian family was always the Church, nothing else. You have seen this in The Sopranos.
As a senior manager, I have learned the way not to manage people. Tony always surrounded himself with people - yes men - who were weak so his leadership was never challenged. This is why his enterprises were failing in the last few years. As a leader if anything you are really just as strong as your weakest link and Tony had many of them.
As to if Jesus would watch the Sopranos? Why would Jesus watch anything on TV at all? He knows how every show ends before it starts
that would be boring.
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Nino
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I can assure you no responsible ‘Italo’ organization thinks the sopranos nonsense is ok!.only three groups in America have been smeared by the establishment from the beginning…ie:hollyweird…Irish,The Poles, and Italians…me thinks its because they cant get us to vote in a block so the hate attack continues…so many other groups do vote in lock step patterns so they are stamped…accepted!!! I used to be asked sometimes by a teen…hey Mr.Nino…you connected? this is cute for those who enjoy it when others are insulted but not to those of us who have shed out blood for this great land and continue to do so! Another word for this is profiling…if you accept the notion of ‘victimhood’ then you are in their pocket…we Italos never have hence the smear! If we get fired from a job its not because we like pasta but rather its because we just did not measure up…nino
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Ahimsa
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The final episode was brilliant! Leave’em wanting more, that’s the ticket.
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CCM08
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In the media there are groups that are okay to attack and groups that can’t be touched. Germans are almost always the “evil neo-Nazi militarist” in films. Russian women are always either slow witted country nuns or urban whores, Russian men are either slow witted drunks or urban criminals. Arabs are always Islamic extremists. Italians, by in large, are shown as members of the mob or at the very least connected in some way. It’s still okay to mock Asians in various ways. Of course all these gross stereotypes have zero foundation in reality. Then you have groups like Jews or blacks in which it is never ever okay to present with the same type of gross stereotype that it’s okay to subject other groups.
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JimG
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The daughter was trying to warn him. That’s why she was rushing toward the door. Too late.
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psalm90
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I’m watching the re-runs on A&E. Who were the two main characters that got whacked in the last episodes? I heard that Michael was one of them.
This program shows the opposite of the CSI-type programs – crime from the criminals’ viewpoint.
What’s amazing, is that Tony could have been ‘popped’ early in the series, and that would have been the whole show.
It was necessary to keep him alive and in motion, to keep the plot going.
In the re-runs, Tony explains his philosophy about several things, like the distinctions he makes between business (which may involve whacking somebody) and family. There was always fireworks when these were crossed.
Tony says he’s like a soldier, trying to earn his living like the early millionaires did, doing the same type of things they did, to “make” it. He rationalizes that he’s no different from any of them.
Like the actors say, in those interviews on A&E, there’s depth to the characters. Well, yeah, such as it is.
I stopped watching on HBO right about where the reruns are now. I plan to keep watching.
I have a real, personal problem watching these people feasting all the time. There’s so much eating, like in Everybody loves Raymond. In that series, the guys will eat pizza and a whole chocolate cake at 10 p.m. without qualms.
Sure, the Sopranos is a secular drama, with extreme moral relativism and situational ethics about everything. The priest told Carmella to stay with her husband, to preserve the marriage, no matter what else was going on. She’s a good case study in rationalization of everything, especially when those things pay the bills and offer major materialistic indulgences, in jewels, furs, house, cars, social standing, etc.
This program shows the opposite of the CSI-type programs – crime from the criminals’ viewpoint.
What’s amazing, is that Tony could have been ‘popped’ early in the series, and that would have been the whole show.
It was necessary to keep him alive and in motion, to keep the plot going.
In the re-runs, Tony explains his philosophy about several things, like the distinctions he makes between business (which may involve whacking somebody) and family. There was always fireworks when these were crossed.
Tony says he’s like a soldier, trying to earn his living like the early millionaires did, doing the same type of things they did, to “make” it. He rationalizes that he’s no different from any of them.
Like the actors say, in those interviews on A&E, there’s depth to the characters. Well, yeah, such as it is.
I stopped watching on HBO right about where the reruns are now. I plan to keep watching.
I have a real, personal problem watching these people feasting all the time. There’s so much eating, like in Everybody loves Raymond. In that series, the guys will eat pizza and a whole chocolate cake at 10 p.m. without qualms.
Sure, the Sopranos is a secular drama, with extreme moral relativism and situational ethics about everything. The priest told Carmella to stay with her husband, to preserve the marriage, no matter what else was going on. She’s a good case study in rationalization of everything, especially when those things pay the bills and offer major materialistic indulgences, in jewels, furs, house, cars, social standing, etc.
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edwest2
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We are supposed to be Christ like. It’s important to consider why we watch what we watch. Does it have any virtue? Murderers, strippers, fornicators? There should be a big, unmistakable line that people do not cross concerning “entertainment.”
And if we are not noticeably different from our secular neighbors then how can we look at ourselves as the salt of the earth?
God bless,
Ed
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Bruno_esqueXXII
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This was on CNN’s site this morning:
cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/15/television.sopranos.reut/index.html
So maybe everyone’s first instincts were right.
cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/15/television.sopranos.reut/index.html
So maybe everyone’s first instincts were right.
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didymus
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Today the NY Times ran an article in the week in review section and they mentioned my favorite series ending of all time: in the last episode of the second Bob Newhart series he wakes up in bed with Susanne Pleshette (his wife from the first series), and tells her, “I had this weird dream that I owned a colonial inn in Vermont.”
Found it on youtube!
Found it on youtube!
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Bruno_esqueXXII
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Ha ha!! That’s awesome – I watched that show off and on but never saw the finale.
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Bruno_esqueXXII
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You inspired me to add the Bob Newhart show to my wife’s Netflix queue – I was too young to watch that one when it first ran and we have been looking for some TV to watch together. Heh.
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Joey1976
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If she was trying to warn him i don;t think she would have been so concerned with parallel parking for 5 minutes.
Tony is not dead, no one was out to kill him, he settle everything with New York. The screen going black was not him getting killed. The camera was from the viewers perspective not Tony’s. It was not his eyes going black it was ours.
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Joey1976
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Also, form another site,
For those who think the end cut to black means Tony died, David Chase himself again corrects you: “people who watched the first episode will understand why this episode ended the way it did.” The cut to black did not imply Tony’s death, it was the simply the same abruptness with which we were introduced to Tony in the first place. Season 1 Episode 1, after the intro sequence, we start with a black screen then “Blink” we see Tony in Melfi’s office. The end scene was simply “blinking” out of Tony’s world in the same quick manner we “blinked” in.
Also, Tony was not killed since Chase has left open the chance for a movie, stating “I never say never. An idea could pop into my head where I would go, ‘Wow, that would make a great movie,’…If something appeared that really made a good ‘Sopranos’ movie and you could invest in it and everybody else wanted to do it, I would do it.”
For those who think the end cut to black means Tony died, David Chase himself again corrects you: “people who watched the first episode will understand why this episode ended the way it did.” The cut to black did not imply Tony’s death, it was the simply the same abruptness with which we were introduced to Tony in the first place. Season 1 Episode 1, after the intro sequence, we start with a black screen then “Blink” we see Tony in Melfi’s office. The end scene was simply “blinking” out of Tony’s world in the same quick manner we “blinked” in.
Also, Tony was not killed since Chase has left open the chance for a movie, stating “I never say never. An idea could pop into my head where I would go, ‘Wow, that would make a great movie,’…If something appeared that really made a good ‘Sopranos’ movie and you could invest in it and everybody else wanted to do it, I would do it.”
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