The Soul in Catholic Scripture

[JohnDom]

These ideas come from the collective personality. They are the doctrines of men.

Personality uses these beliefs to uphold its identity. Upholding this identity becomes so important that it is willing to deny the infinite value of its true identity which is the soul. It’s self worth is determined by how well it can uphold its false sense of being a Catholic or how intensely it can hold onto belief in Jesus. True self worth is unconditional.

Notice how being a good Catholic becomes so important that we don’t acknowledge the importance of the soul. We gain the whole world and lose our own soul. Also see how much personality likes the praise of men in the Church rather than the praise of God. It gets approval and acceptance from church figures and the people around it instead of the real thing which comes from the soul. There are no substitutrs for the soul.

 

[Vico]

These ideas come from the collective personality. They are the doctrines of men.

Personality uses these beliefs to uphold its identity. Upholding this identity becomes so important that it is willing to deny the infinite value of its true identity which is the soul. It’s self worth is determined by how well it can uphold its false sense of being a Catholic. True self worth is unconditional.

So you deny Catholic teaching then? You are not a Catholic?

 

[JohnDom]

I was a Catholic for 35 years then I decided to find out the truth for myself. Now I have a calling to share my experience and tell people about the higher meaning to the interpretations of the Gospel.

 

[Vico]

I was a Catholic for 35 years then I decided to find out the truth for myself. Now I have a calling to share my experience and tell people about the higher meaning to the interpretations of the Gospel.

OK. At least I will not assent to contrary ideas to the dogmas of the Catholic Church because I believe that the truth is assured through the Holy Spirit.

 

[JohnDom]

That is true but we also need to consider how the enemy plays into it. The personality believes it is separate from the Holy Spirit. It doesn’t realize the Holy Spirit is truth in itself and that it is one with this truth. So off it goes in search of the truth which often creates further separation because the search is based on the premise that we are not included, not a part of this truth. This is a delusion.

 

[Vico]

one with

To be one with is not to be of the same nature but to become sharers in the divine nature – to participate in the life of God.

Catechism

51 "It pleased God, in his goodness and wisdom, to reveal himself and to make known the mystery of his will. His will was that men should have access to the Father, through Christ, the Word made flesh, in the Holy Spirit, and thus become sharers in the divine nature."2

1997 Grace is a participation in the life of God. It introduces us into the intimacy of Trinitarian life: by Baptism the Christian participates in the grace of Christ, the Head of his Body. As an “adopted son” he can henceforth call God “Father,” in union with the only Son. He receives the life of the Spirit who breathes charity into him and who forms the Church.

1999 The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism. It is in us the source of the work of sanctification:48

Therefore if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself.49

 

[JohnDom]

That’s one way to interpret it. What I am saying is that the infinite eternal divine nature of God is within us and it is the soul in itself. WE ARE salvation, heaven, God, treasure, richness, omnipotence, Oneness. It points to the soul when Jesus says I and the Father are One. The soul is infinite and eternal and God is infinite and eternal. It is identification with the personality that tricks us into thinking otherwise.

Many people don’t want anything to do with the soul because it threatens everything they’ve invested into themselves. Some would rather be Catholic because it’s easier and more convenient. Even the possibility of losing the familiar sense of self sends the personality running to try to find something to hold onto because it feels like dying a thousand deaths every single day for months. No matter how good we think that thing is we are holding onto, it is not what is infinite. Experiencing what is infinite requires there is literally nothing to hold onto. Without practicing the ability to sustain such a state there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Yet this is the exact doorway to God.

He who tries to save their life will lose it and vice versa. The gate is much more narrow than expected. This is how we know the soul is God because all things are possible with Him and without the soul we would just stay identified with the personality. We’d be hard pressed to ever knowing the false self in contrast to the true self. WIth the soul we can find the truth by looking deeply into the false.

 

[Vico]

That’s one way to interpret it. What I am saying is that the infinite eternal divine nature of God is within us and it is the soul in itself. WE ARE salvation, heaven, God, treasure, richness, omnipotence, Oneness. It points to the soul when Jesus says I and the Father are One. The soul is infinite and eternal and God is infinite and eternal. It is identification with the personality that tricks us into thinking otherwise.

Many people don’t want anything to do with the soul because it threatens everything they’ve invested into themselves. Some would rather be Catholic because it’s easier and more convenient. Even the possibility of losing the familiar sense of self sends the personality running to try to find something to hold onto because it feels like dying a thousand deaths every single day for months. No matter how good we think that thing is we are holding onto, it is not what is infinite. Experiencing what is infinite requires there is literally nothing to hold onto. Without practicing the ability to sustain such a state there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Yet this is the exact doorway to God.

He who tries to save their life will lose it and vice versa. The gate is much more narrow than expected. This is how we know the soul is God because all things are possible with Him and without the soul we would just stay identified with the personality. We’d be hard pressed to ever knowing the false self in contrast to the true self. WIth the soul we can find the truth by looking deeply into the false.

We receive the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist, and so the divine nature is in us, but we were created so do have human nature not divine nature like Jesus Christ does.

 

[JohnDom]

This idea that we are separate from the divnity of God is a fallacy and misunderstanding. We cannot be separate from God’s divinity. God is infinite. His divinity is infinite. His presence is infinite. His salvation is infinite. His Kingdom is infinite. This universalism is partly what the purity of a virgin points to. There is not one aspect of God that is not infinite except in our own heads. It is only a belief that is not real. We need to examine and understand why we insist on being separate and apart from God. Is it such a bad thing to be one with God that we have developed an entire religion to reinforce and perpetuate this idea? Why are we resisting the fact that we are included in God’s divnity?

Notice how badly the personality resists awareness that it is included in what’s infinite. It will fight teeth and nails to the death in order to uphold the doctrine that it is separate and apart from God. Most people are not even aware they are doing it and that’s the way the enemy likes it. That way it can continue working secretly in the background unnoticed. If it is found out it will lose power so stealth is its secret weapon. It’s very very tricky and sneaky because it has had millions of years to develop its cunning disguised. It’s terrified of losing its identity, losing control, and fears the truth of the unknown so it blocks and restricts our awareness of this information.

Also consider that the belief that Jesus saves us is a symptom of lack of self worth staring us right in the face. We think our value is determined by something outside of us so there’s a reaching and grabbing in a desperate attempt to feel value. People are scared of letting go of their belief in Jesus for fear of what will happen. They will be faced with what is infinite and eternal. The grabbing onto the traditional literal belief in Jesus is ultimately an avoidance of what is infinite and eternal. Unconsciously we are avoiding the emptiness we would feel because we don’t know when to quit judging. We judge the emptiness as bad because it makes us feel worthless. The enemy tempts is to take one more bite of the fruit saying “surely you will not die.” What’s happening is we, as the enemy, are trying to gain control in order to not face the emptiness.

Also the collective personality convinces us it’s okay to live our lives without self worth because that’s what everyone else is doing and that’s the way it’s always been. The fact is lack of self worth has caused a good number of the wars, mental illnesses, suicides, depression, violence, massacres, genocides, homicides, etc. People are sick without the soul. They go crazy and after a while it becomes so common we think it’s normal. It’s not.

 

[Vico]

This idea that we are separate from the divnity of God is a fallacy and misunderstanding. We cannot be separate from God’s divinity. God is infinite. His divinity is infinite. His presence is infinite. His salvation is infinite. His Kingdom is infinite. This universalism is partly what the purity of a virgin points to. There is not one aspect of God that is not infinite except in our own heads. It is only a belief that is not real. We need to examine and understand why we insist on being separate and apart from God. Is it such a bad thing to be one with God that we have developed an entire religion to reinforce and perpetuate this idea? Why are we resisting the fact that we are included in God’s divnity?
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To be within is not to be the same. So per Catholic teaching we may be adopted sons.

The Catholic Church has repeatedly condemned the errors of pantheism. Among the propositions censured in the Syllabus of Pius IX is that which declares: “There is no supreme, all-wise and all-provident Divine Being distinct from the universe; God is one with nature and therefore subject to change; He becomes God in man and the world; all things are God and have His substance; God is identical with the world, spirit with matter, necessity with freedom, truth with falsity, good with evil, justice with injustice” (Denzinger-Bannwart, “Ench.”, 1701). And the Vatican Council anathematizes those who assert that the substance or essence of God and of all things is one and the same, or that all things evolve from God’s essence (ibid., 1803 sqq.).

Pace, E. (1911). Pantheism. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11447b.htm

 

[JohnDom]

This proves the church does not know God. What they know is a God that is less than infinite, a god of the personality. Who can place limits on that which is limitless? Remember the devil devalues and diminishes.

 

[Vico]

This proves the church does not know God. What they know is a God that is less than infinite, a god of the personality. Who can place limits on that which is limitless? Remember the devil devalues and diminishes.

The Catholic Church only says:

35 Man’s faculties make him capable of coming to a knowledge of the existence of a personal God. But for man to be able to enter into real intimacy with him, God willed both to reveal himself to man and to give him the grace of being able to welcome this revelation in faith. The proofs of God’s existence, however, can predispose one to faith and help one to see that faith is not opposed to reason.

36 “Our holy mother, the Church, holds and teaches that God, the first principle and last end of all things, can be known with certainty from the created world by the natural light of human reason.” 11 Without this capacity, man would not be able to welcome God’s revelation. Man has this capacity because he is created “in the image of God”. 12

40 Since our knowledge of God is limited, our language about him is equally so. We can name God only by taking creatures as our starting point, and in accordance with our limited human ways of knowing and thinking.

 

[JohnDom]

That doesn’t address the problem of lack of self worth nor does it resolve the fact that the church excludes the soul from the Trinity. Here is what the the burial and rejection of the cornerstone refers to and it staring us right in the face yet we don’t seem to have a problem with it because it’s more important to stay Catholic. We’ve traded the pricelessness of our soul for something of much lesser value.

 

[GLam1761]

You seem to think that each man’s SOUL is
supposed to be somehow part of the Trinity,
which is NOT true, God is Spirit, but that
doesn’t mean that our souls(which God
BREATHES into being) are linked somehow
to the Trinity, God shaped our souls into a
physical body as He saw fit, but for those
who trust in Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross
for our sins, He has also created/will create
a spiritual body(1 Cor. 15:35-44). THEN we
will share in the Trinity as Children of God!!

 

[BlackFriar]

Lets stop feeding sincere but misguided souls who want to replace imperfect Catholic Theology for their own “better” version.

suggest its a pointless, flat-earth “discussion” that just goes in never ending cicles that feeds the ego of “gurus” but produces smoke but not light.

 

[Vico]

That doesn’t address the problem of lack of self worth nor does it resolve the fact that the church excludes the soul from the Trinity. Here is what the the burial and rejection of the cornerstone refers to and it staring us right in the face yet we don’t seem to have a problem with it because it’s more important to stay Catholic. We’ve traded the pricelessness of our soul for something of much lesser value.

The Trinity does not have a rational soul. That is only for creatures.

 

[JohnDom]

News flash: God is infinite. So how can the soul NOT be included in the Trinity? Is God infinite or not? Do we know what infinite means? Do we know the definition of infinite? Try looking it up in the dictionary. Please answer these questions from your own heart and reply.

 

[JohnDom]

So the Trinity is separate and apart from creatures? You do know you are admitting to a less than infinite God, correct? Perhaps you have sided with the enemy and aren’t consciously aware of it. Clever.

 

[Vico]

News flash: God is infinite. So how can the soul NOT be included in the Trinity? Is God infinite or not? Do we know what infinite means? Do we know the definition of infinite? Try looking it up in the dictionary. Please answer these questions from your own heart and reply.

No, God is infinite, but creatures are not (because infinite means that which has no bounds or limitations). Note what is written in the Catholic Encyclopedia:

Philosophically the discussion of emanationism supposes the discussion of the whole problem of the nature of God, especially of His simplicity and infinity. The doctrine of the Catholic Church is contained in the definition of the dogma of the creatio ex nihilo by the Fourth Lateran Council and, especially, the Council of the Vatican. The latter expressly condemns emanationism (I. De Deo rerum omnium creatore, can. iv), and anathematizes those "asserting that finite things, both corporeal and spiritual, or at least spiritual, have "emanated from the Divine substance.

Dubray, C. (1909). Emanationism. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05397b.htm

 

[JohnDom]

This shows the authors of these doctrines do not know God. God is a miracle of Oneness. It is a state of indivisible unity. It is unshakeable, universal, undivided, unwavering and unfailing in its inclusivity. Nothing can ever be apart from this oneness. The authors of such doctrines as presented never understood God because if they did, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. They, like most everyone else were too afraid and not courageous enough to find out the truth for themselves. It’s easier and more convenient to agree with what’s popular. Thus the higher meaning of the Gospel is missed: that we are one with God because of the soul. “I and the Father are One” is symbolic of this. The story of Jesus is a metaphor for the soul. Notice how the soul is treated with similar animosity, neglect and shamefulness as they did Jesus. It’s judged as sinful, bad, to be avoided, excluded from the Trinity. This is not an accident. It points to the burial and rejection where we are the ones rejecting the soul. The traditional Christian and literal translation is a misunderstanding.