The State of Opera

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And speaking of San Francisco Opera, my teacher sang L’Africaine as Inez with Domingo and Shirley Verrett at the SFO many moons ago. I have this great photo of them on stage together. I hear it’s a wonderful opera house.
If your teacher is Ruth Ann Swenson, I well recall that production as I saw it live in the house. I was unfamiliar with the opera, and the first big number is Ines’ aria. I had never heard Miss Swenson sing before, and when she opened her mouth, the friend I was with and I looked at one another amazed. Such a beautiful voice, and such musicianship! Also a very beautiful woman. Can’t say I’m a big fan of that opera, though; an elderly gentleman across the aisle began snoring loudly about halfway through the evening, and I couldn’t help thinking it was an appropriate response to the mediocre music! The performers were great, though.
 
One other thing - Opera is definitely not just an “old person’s” art form. Whenever I attend an opera or recital, I always see lots of young adults around me. Maybe it’s because we’re all poor and can only afford the nosebleed seats, so we’re up in the sections where most people don’t see us. People who can afford the better seats are mostly “older” patrons. But those upper-most tiers are packed with 20 and 30 somethings.
 
Favorite opera: Tannauser. But about a dozen come in second.

Lohengrin, Meistersinger, Tosca, Cosi fan Tutte, did I mention Tosca? Marta, Parsifal, Tosca . . . Fanciulla del West, Tosca, Rheingold, Tosca

NOT Wozzeck (gag). Lose Lulu.
One of my favorite is Boito’s Mefistofele
 
If your teacher is Ruth Ann Swenson, I well recall that production as I saw it live in the house. I was unfamiliar with the opera, and the first big number is Ines’ aria. I had never heard Miss Swenson sing before, and when she opened her mouth, the friend I was with and I looked at one another amazed. Such a beautiful voice, and such musicianship! Also a very beautiful woman. Can’t say I’m a big fan of that opera, though; an elderly gentleman across the aisle began snoring loudly about halfway through the evening, and I couldn’t help thinking it was an appropriate response to the mediocre music! The performers were great, though.
LOL!!! I only listen to highlights for that opera too. No, my teacher isn’t Ms. Swenson (so horrible what’s happen to her at the Met BTW). I agree she does have a beautiful voice. I heard her in recital a couple of years ago. I’m hoping to see her in La Traviata this season.

My teacher is actually Evelyn Mandac. There’s a live recording of the production that she did with them. You are right the first aria of Inez is gorgeous. The applause my teacher received was phenomenal on that recording and I hear that she was even more electric live than in recordings. I wish I could see her perform live. All I have are a couple of recordings.
 
It is outstanding in Houston. I was a subscriber for many years and the HGO is world class. on of my greatest Opera Moments was seeing Cecilia Bartoli perform when she was still young and realtively unknown.
Cecilia Bartoli gave one of the most artistic and beautiful recitals I’ve ever attended a few years back. She had a little chamber ensemble with her. It was breathtaking and so soulful. She was the only performer I ever stood in line for to get an autograph of one her cds. I feel so silly for doing that because I’m usually not like that. I was just starting to get into opera as a kid when she started to come onto the scene. I have a love/not love relationship with her voice. Sometimes I’m totally in the mood for it and can’t get enough of her voice. Other times I can’t listen to her voice at all or at least watch her sing.
 
I can understand your love/not love relationship to Bartoli’s voice, Sarabande. Many friends of mine can’t stand her at all for various reasons: her grimaces, her body language, her use of aspirates in her coloratura technique, etc. I myself, however, think she is an absolute genius. I have never before heard the 18th-century vocal repertoire performed with the same combination of technical perfection and emotional depth that she brings to it. Her Vivaldi album is outstanding. There is an aria on it called ‘Zeffiretti che sussurrate’, an echo aria accompanied by two offstage violins, that is exquisite. And have you heard her version of Fiordiligi’s two arias from Cosi fan tutte? I’ve never heard better renditions in my life(pace Elisabeth Schwarzkopf and Pilar Lorengar).

Oh, so your teacher is Evelyn Mandac. I have seen the name, mostly in Opera News magazines from earlier decades, but I can’t recall ever having heard her. I always get her mixed up with Evelyn de la Rosa, whom my brother heard sing an excellent Queen of Night with the Sacramento Opera here in California. How is she as a teacher?
 
I can understand your love/not love relationship to Bartoli’s voice, Sarabande. Many friends of mine can’t stand her at all for various reasons: her grimaces, her body language, her use of aspirates in her coloratura technique, etc. I myself, however, think she is an absolute genius. I have never before heard the 18th-century vocal repertoire performed with the same combination of technical perfection and emotional depth that she brings to it. Her Vivaldi album is outstanding. There is an aria on it called ‘Zeffiretti che sussurrate’, an echo aria accompanied by two offstage violins, that is exquisite. And have you heard her version of Fiordiligi’s two arias from Cosi fan tutte? I’ve never heard better renditions in my life(pace Elisabeth Schwarzkopf and Pilar Lorengar).

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Her HGO debeu was in 1992 where she appeared in the Barber of Seville. Blew me away. I will have to admit that i was not as excited about her 1996 performance in Cinderella but I know I am in a minortiy there.
 
Her HGO debeu was in 1992 where she appeared in the Barber of Seville. Blew me away. I will have to admit that i was not as excited about her 1996 performance in Cinderella but I know I am in a minortiy there.
I know what you mean. I’ve seen the DVD of the HGO Cenerentola and can’t help feeling that Bartoli is not suited to the role of Cinderella temperamentally. Have you seen the film of Cenerentola from La Scala starring Frederica von Stade? Now there is perfect casting; von Stade brings out all the sweet melancholy of the Cinderella character without ever once getting sentimental or mawkish.
 
I know what you mean. I’ve seen the DVD of the HGO Cenerentola and can’t help feeling that Bartoli is not suited to the role of Cinderella temperamentally. Have you seen the film of Cenerentola from La Scala starring Frederica von Stade? Now there is perfect casting; von Stade brings out all the sweet melancholy of the Cinderella character without ever once getting sentimental or mawkish.
I have and i agree. To me she didnt fit the part. In the Barber of Seville she was heads and shoulders above everyone else on the stage. i was thinking it would be intimidated having to follow her in an Act. it was like seeing Bobby Orr play Hockey.
 
I know what you mean. I’ve seen the DVD of the HGO Cenerentola and can’t help feeling that Bartoli is not suited to the role of Cinderella temperamentally. Have you seen the film of Cenerentola from La Scala starring Frederica von Stade? Now there is perfect casting; von Stade brings out all the sweet melancholy of the Cinderella character without ever once getting sentimental or mawkish.
Oh, von Stade is the absolute best for Cenerentola. I have the DVD of hers doing it. I love looking at my score while I watch it.
 
Oh, von Stade is the absolute best for Cenerentola. I have the DVD of hers doing it. I love looking at my score while I watch it.
I was there the night they made the DVD of Bartoli. I used to have seats 5 rows back in the center. I dropped my subscription becuase I was spending a lot of time in Coloraod and was disapointed in the way they were stageing many of the Operas. When they did McBeth it was so bad (witches in leather mini-skirts, using a battery charger , etc) I finally just closed my eyes and listened to the Music.
 
Hooray! A thread about one of my loves!

We have a great opera company in Houston and you can get season tickets for a steal, it’s amazing. Best value in live entertainment around! Scenery, costumes, acting, music, and a good story all at once.

As a decorative painter, I love to see the use of faux in the set designs.

I would love to see more people lose the image of opera as too higbrow for the “masses”. The folks I meet at the opera are regular folks. Some put on airs, sure, but those of us really enjoying ourselves are too busy to do that. And I come by my love of opera honestly…from my granddad who barely graduated eigth grade and walked around the house singing La Boheme. 🙂
 
It is outstanding in Houston. I was a subscriber for many years and the HGO is world class.
👍

But, Bob, don’t you know the unwritten rule about letting the rest of the country think Houston sucks in every way…don’t want to raise the scandalously low prices on all our good stuff! 😉
 
I can understand your love/not love relationship to Bartoli’s voice, Sarabande. Many friends of mine can’t stand her at all for various reasons: her grimaces, her body language, her use of aspirates in her coloratura technique, etc. I myself, however, think she is an absolute genius. I have never before heard the 18th-century vocal repertoire performed with the same combination of technical perfection and emotional depth that she brings to it. Her Vivaldi album is outstanding. There is an aria on it called ‘Zeffiretti che sussurrate’, an echo aria accompanied by two offstage violins, that is exquisite. And have you heard her version of Fiordiligi’s two arias from Cosi fan tutte? I’ve never heard better renditions in my life(pace Elisabeth Schwarzkopf and Pilar Lorengar).

Oh, so your teacher is Evelyn Mandac. I have seen the name, mostly in Opera News magazines from earlier decades, but I can’t recall ever having heard her. I always get her mixed up with Evelyn de la Rosa, whom my brother heard sing an excellent Queen of Night with the Sacramento Opera here in California. How is she as a teacher?
I agree, Bartoli, despite my love/not love relationship with her, is a genius in 18th c. repertoire. My very first recording of an opera singer was her “Se tu m’ami” album of all the Arie Antiche music that you learn when you first start taking voice lessons. It brought new love and better insight into that music. I still use it for recital work.

I love Evelyn as a teacher. She has absolutely no ego. She gives and gives with so much love and compassion. Her approach to technique and singing, in general, is very organic and natural. She also works with each of her students differently according to their personalities and will work until she can find the right words and images that clicks with the individual student. The other thing is that she doesn’t turn out “cookie-cutter” voices. I’ve heard almost all of her students at one time or another by either sitting in on lessons or at master classes or in concerts. They each have their own special quality in the voice. She really knows how to pull the unique quality out.

The technique works only if you approach it without any ego and be totally open physically, mentally and spiritually. It truly is “surrendering” to the artform. When you try to control what’s going on or try to create the sound rather than trusting your body, it doesn’t work.

It’s funny. Evelyn very rarely ever talks about her career unless I ask her questions. So, I will once in a while get some bits of history of who she worked with and where she sang, etc. But whereever I go, whether performing, at an audition or across the ocean in Europe, I run into someone who knew her or used to see her perform when she was still singing. They all tell me the same thing. Her voice was absolutely beautiful (no justice on the recordings apparently) and she was absolutely breathtaking on stage and a genuine and beautiful person. These people would go to the Met or whereever she was just to see her sing. It’s sometimes weird hearing this because I see her as my teacher, a mentor and as a second mother in a way. We have tea together, she cooks me meals sometimes, we go to operas together. It’s only when I see her from outside of myself that I understand what these outside people are talking about. Her whole presence just commands beauty on all levels. People turn and look at her when she walks. So, I can understand what she was probably like on stage. (Can you tell I hold her in regard?) 🙂
 
Oh, von Stade is the absolute best for Cenerentola. I have the DVD of hers doing it. I love looking at my score while I watch it.
Another reason I love this DVD is that it is directed by the man I consider to be the all-time genius among opera stage directors: Jean-Pierre Ponnelle. His productions are always interesting and they look fantastic, thanks to his background as a visual artist. We in San Francisco were lucky over the years to have the Ponnelle productions of Cosi fan tutte, Idomeneo, Tosca, The Flying Dutchman, Turandot, Falstaff, Otello, Cenerentola and many others. He filmed many of his productions, and my favorites are the three extant operas of Claudio Monteverdi, in stagings from the Zurich Opera directed by Ponnelle and conducted by Nikolaus Harnoncourt. There are also DVDs available of the Ponnelle productions of Idomeneo, The Marriage of Figaro, The Barber of Seville, Manon, Rigoletto, Cosi fan tutte, L’Italiana in Algeri, The Magic Flute, Mitridate,Tristan und Isolde, La Clemenza di Tito and Cardillac.
 
Notes On Opera

Well, it is a powerful art form; there are some who argue it is the greatest form of art, combining music and drama, offering moments of intense emotion; but just keep in mind that it is secular music.

Talking about the state of opera, be wary of some of the more modern opera productions on video; I watched a Glyndebourne production (perhaps England’s greatest opera company) of Verdi’s La Traviata (which was based on some sort of relationship that the son of the French writer Alexandre Dumas had with a famous French courtesan); the Director set the opera in a brothel and it had some unexpected female nudity in it (ditto for a more recently performed version of Rigoletto that was shown on Canada’s CBC television; female nudity in the opening scene) .

I heard Verdi had to revise the opera several times before he was allowed to perform La Traviata, much to his protestations. Verdi was an ardent Italian nationalist and didn’t care much for the Catholic Church. Still, he wrote some of the greatest opera arias ever written.

Other productions, like Franco Zeffirelli’s La Traviata, a film version with Placido Domingo, are more tastefully done, and just set the opera at the courtesan’s home; as a matter of fact, the opera itself doesn’t directly use the word “courtesan” or “prostitute,” but you’ll pick up on it through innuendo and the plot.

La Traviata does have some great arias in it though; that one aria Flora sings after the party with tenor answering her from the street below really blew me away (sorry, I forgot the name of it).

Other Opera moral flubs, yet still great secular art:

Mozart’s The Magic Flute: Watch Tomino become a Freemason before your very eyes and the Hapsburg monarchy and everything it stands for (indirectly Catholicism) satirized through the character the Queen of the Night.

Puccini’s Tosca: Subtle diggs at the Catholic Church because it didn’t at the time support Italian nationalism.

Mozart’s Don Giovanni: The legendary lecher is dragged to Hell, UNREPENTANT in the key of D Minor, and is in a way made to seem heroic. Libretto by Lorenzo Da Ponte, who basically gave up being a Catholic priest (I don’t think he ever formally left the priesthood though; his family converted to Catholicism I believe for societal and social reasons).

Here’s some operas for the beginner:

Rigoletto

L’Elisir D’Amoure

La Traviata

Magic Flute

Carmen

Despite some of the problems I mentioned (except the nudity), they are small compared to the degenerate atmosphere found in most forms of modern popular pop and rock music and what was MTV music videos. Let’s face it, that stuff isn’t really music anyway.

Also remember that opera is musical drama and symphonic music is symphonic music, so the two forms of music are different.
 
Notes On Opera

Well, it is a powerful art form; there are some who argue it is the greatest form of art, combining music and drama, offering moments of intense emotion; but just keep in mind that it is secular music.
I believe when many people say it is the “greatest form of art”, they mean that in terms of the combination of music and drama, as you said. Most people know that it is only secular music. I believe all of the people here on the thread already have that in mind while discussing this. All of the artists involved know there is a major difference in the art form of opera and in the sacred music that they many times have performed. And both have a different approach, respect and form of reverence. (I don’t mean reverence in a spiritual sense for opera).
Talking about the state of opera, be wary of some of the more modern opera productions on video.
This type of thing of untasteful productions have been going on since the 70s. Both my current teacher and former teacher have complained to me about having to perform in some ridiculous avant garde productions - not necessarily nude - but strange or distasteful. My teacher was in Salzburg this past summer for a vacation. I can’t remember which opera it was (she saw all of them at the festival), but she was very upset over the production. She said that the director had put his/her own twist to the opera by dressing someone up like a pope (which isn’t even a character in this opera) and making him look immoral in the opera. Mind you that my teacher isn’t even Catholic, but she was very upset at the disrespect this director showed to the Catholic Church and who she believed was supposed to be Benedict. She said that the opera didn’t even have anything to do with the Church - it was as if this director just wanted to put some kind of dig and used this form as an outlet for his animosity towards her (the Church).
Other productions, like Franco Zeffirelli’s La Traviata…
I love Zeffirelli’s stage productions. He’s a genius at it, but I tend to like the more traditional sets which is probably why I love his productions. I don’t know… trying to put Mozart operas in avant garde or modern garbe, just doesn’t work for me, especially when you know the libretto and the jokes, etc. The only time I’ve seen it work was for the Met’s new production of “Die Zauberflote” - but I believe it is because that it is supposed to be a fantastical land anyway.
Mozart’s The Magic Flute: Watch Tomino become a Freemason before your very eyes and the Hapsburg monarchy and everything it stands for (indirectly Catholicism) satirized through the character the Queen of the Night.
I’m not going to dispute that Mozart was a mason, although back then, almost every adult male in Vienna were masons and for only connections reasons and were still practicing Catholic - they didn’t understand that relatively new ban about 30-40 years earlier on being one and the people then apparently weren’t properly educated about it. But that’s for another thread.
Mozart’s Don Giovanni: The legendary lecher is dragged to Hell, UNREPENTANT in the key of D Minor, and is in a way made to seem heroic. Libretto by Lorenzo Da Ponte, who basically gave up being a Catholic priest (I don’t think he ever formally left the priesthood though; his family converted to Catholicism I believe for societal and social reasons).
ahh… well, he wouldn’t be dragged to hell, but to purgatory if he was repentant. 🙂 That wouldn’t make for a good “secular” story of revenge for the women he destroyed and the people he murdered. I’ve never and I know many others who never looked at him as being heroic. We always think he got his just desserts. Plus the opera, if the opera was going to just focus on Giovanni, would have ended there. It doesn’t. It keeps going on afterwards. Mozart focused on the relationships and outlooks of the people left on earth, how they were either redeemed, avenged and how they handled their trust issues with each other, especially amongst the couples affected by D. Giovanni’s misdeeds.

Da Ponte was adopted by a bishop when he was a young boy and took his name. He should have never become a priest, but back in that time when a family would give a child to the Church, it was expected of them to become a priest or religious. No doubt, he led not-so-great of life and was eventually expelled from the empire, ending up in NYC at one point. Also, Da Ponte based “Don Giovanni” on the real-life lecher, Cassanova, as he personally knew Cassavova, not surprisingly.
Also remember that opera is musical drama and symphonic music is symphonic music, so the two forms of music are different.
Yes, for obvious reasons.
 
I believe when many people say it is the “greatest form of art”, they mean that in terms of the combination of music and drama, as you said. Most people know that it is only secular music. I believe all of the people here on the thread already have that in mind while discussing this. All of the artists involved know there is a major difference in the art form of opera and in the sacred music that they many times have performed. And both have a different approach, respect and form of reverence. (I don’t mean reverence in a spiritual sense for opera).
The all too human aspect of opera, the sin, redemption, the human interactions is precisely what I value in the art. It gets at the reality of things in a way which an audience can understand, relate to. It is “real” to us in that regard and expressing such musically/dramatically through these instruments which speak directly to the human species, most excellently the very human voice.
 
The all too human aspect of opera, the sin, redemption, the human interactions is precisely what I value in the art. It gets at the reality of things in a way which an audience can understand, relate to. It is “real” to us in that regard and expressing such musically/dramatically through these instruments which speak directly to the human species, most excellently the very human voice.
Beautifully said. I couldn’t agree with you more! 🙂 Imagine the emotions when you are the one conveying all of that through your own voice with the music.
 
Hello,

The nearest major opera company to me is in Cleveland. They just reorganized the company and this is their inaugural year. They have a whole new company - with a whole new price list. 😦

Opera Cleveland

I will say that I cherish the video productions of opera. I have three from the library right now - La Boheme (Franco Zeffirelli; Jose Carreras; Teresa Stratas); Tosca (Placido Domingo; Catherine Malfitano); Aida (Plácido Domingo; Aprile Millo). Why do I love them so much? Because I can’t afford to regularly go to the Opera House. It’s better than nothing - and it’s not all that bad. 😦
 
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