The Stoning of Soraya (movie)

[jakasaki]

Josie (et al)

Can this thread be used to discuss/debate 'stoning" practices. I know you started in relationship to the upcoming movie, so can we expand it?

 

[josie_L]

Josie (et al)

Can this thread be used to discuss/debate 'stoning" practices. I know you started in relationship to the upcoming movie, so can we expand it?

Of course. So my question would be why if the Koran does not specify stoning do we see Muslims practicing it?. I wonder if there are any statistics as to how many women die of stoning (honor killings too!) throughout the world? I think I’ll check this out. God bless you all.

 

[happilycatholic]

Of course. So my question would be why if the Koran does not specify stoning do we see Muslims practicing it?. I wonder if there are any statistics as to how many women die of stoning (honor killings too!) throughout the world? I think I’ll check this out. God bless you all.

I think this is where they play the “culture card”.

 

[Booklover]

Josie (et al)

Can this thread be used to discuss/debate 'stoning" practices. I know you started in relationship to the upcoming movie, so can we expand it?

Definitely!

Vickie

 

[josie_L]

I think this is where they play the “culture card”.

If indeed it is “culture” and contrary to the Koran then why has it not been abolished by those who supposedly know better (Imams and others of religious bent). I will do my search and try to find the statistical figure anyways.

 

[Booklover]

If indeed it is “culture” and contrary to the Koran then why has it not been abolished by those who supposedly know better (Imams and others of religious bent). I will do my search and try to find the statistical figure anyways.

Exactly! And that’s the same thing as with the honor killings that we keep being told are unIslamic and that we shouldn’t mention because others have also committed them.

Vickie

 

[jakasaki]

The Saudi Ambassador to London, Ghazi al-Qusaibi, says that stoning may seem irrational to the western mind, but it is “**at the core of the Islamic faith.” **He also says that Westerners should respect Muslin culture on this matter.

Flogging, Stoning, and Amputations Are in Muslim Eyes “The Core of the Islamic Faith”
"On the other hand… democracy in Britain can do what it wants.

In law school, we learned that the English Parliament can do anything except make a male into a female and a female into a male. Now it can do that too.

In contrast, according to the Islamic view, no one – the nation cannot, 1,200,000,000 Muslims cannot –make the forbidden permissible and cannot make the permissible forbidden.

[In Islam] punishments have been set, and no matter what we say, the West will see them as barbaric and primitive. According to the Western view, flogging is illogical. Execution is unacceptable, and the same goes for amputating hands and stoning. **These are things that in Muslim eyes are at the core of the Islamic faith." **

 

[happilycatholic]

If indeed it is “culture” and contrary to the Koran then why has it not been abolished by those who supposedly know better (Imams and others of religious bent). I will do my search and try to find the statistical figure anyways.

I think the question you just posed is the most important with respect to stonings and all the other terroristic practices as well.

 

[josie_L]

Most honour killings happen in the Kurdish region, a barren land ravaged by years of war and oppression. Rural communities here are ruled under a strict feudal, patriarchal system.** But as Kurds have fled the fighting between separatist rebels and Turkey’s government, the crime is spreading across the country into its cities and towns. According to a recent government report, there is now one honour killing a week in Istanbul.**

“Families who move here are suddenly faced with modern, secular Turkey,” said Vildan Yirmibesoglu, the head of Istanbul’s department of human rights. “This clash of cultures is making the situation worse as the pressure on women to behave conservatively is become more acute. And of course there are more temptations.”

Ms Yirmibesoglu believes that the entrenched belief in the notion of honour – at all levels of society – is impeding any progress. “Honour killings aren’t always properly investigated because some police and prosecutors share the same views as the honour killers,” she said. “For things to change, police, prosecutors and even judges need to be educated on gender equality.”

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/women-told-you-have-dishonoured-your-family-please-kill-yourself-1655373.html

In memoriam:

Their number is endless; everyone knows, or has heard about victims of “honour”, but still there are thousands of women who neither have their birth registered nor their death. No one would ask for their disappearances but everyone aware of what happened to them.

It is tragic and deeply heartbreaking to hear or read about so many lives taken, so many women being killed, so many women committing suicide and so many women living in fear of death by their closest members of family, so many women have been punished and their nose or ears been chopped off or their faces have been burnt with acid in order to show they brought “shame and dishonour” to their family.

Acts to uphold the family honour are usually committed by the father, brother, son, or the husband of the woman. Women are suffering in silence and loneliness. What have they done? What is it about the power of “shame and honour” that drives the closest relatives, father, brother, even a mother, to slaughter their relative – because they were born as a woman? How many more women must die until the whole world changes and equality is granted?

It is unbelievable, but it is a dark reality; tens of thousands of women are killed in the name of the most barbaric and backward phenomenon – so-called “honour” which has been practiced in a tough male dominated traditions, religious, nationalist and patriarchal communities, in their home land and diasporas, in peace or during war.

The phenomenon of honour killing is global and has been reported all over the world on a regular basis i.e. in Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Bangladesh, Algeria, Brazil, Ecuador, Morocco, India, Israel, Ethiopia, Somalia, Uganda, Balkans, Sweden, Holland, Germany, Italy, Yemen and many more plaecs. Although thousands of women are murdered by their families each year in the name of honour, yet it is not possible to have a correct statistics of the number of victims of honour due to the lack of information and availability. The murders frequently go unreported and often remain as a private family affair; no truthful official statistics are available on the practice or its frequency.

According to United Nation reports, every year, 5000 women are murdered under the pretext of Honour Killings worldwide. This is just the tip of the iceberg; the reality is far higher. It shows only official reports and doesn’t mention unreported murders in rural areas, missing women, those who their birth never been registered, neither their death. It doesn’t include thousands of women and young girls who burned themselves to death and committed suicide because of family pressures, religious or cultural issues, forced marriages, domestic violence, etc.

The numbers of victims of honour crimes have increasing dramatically over the past two decades due to the growth in power of reactionary groups who are spreading their backward rules in many countries around the world.

In many countries (especially those where Sharia law is practiced) like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, where stoning to death is the punishment for adultery, and women and children have had no rights or little rights, women are second-class citizens, opressed by male dominated religions, their own government’s special forces and their own family too. In many countries, women’s rights are a very major political issue and women’s rights activists are persecuted by their own governments for the simplest demand of rights. In such countries where women are subject to violence in society, women are victimised by the government too.

According to the Independent Women’s Organisation in Iraq-Kurdistan during 1991-1999 nearly 9000 women have been killed or committed suicide. A human-rights report published in March 1999 stated that “honour” killings took the lives of 888 women in the single province of Punjab in 1998 (Hassan, “The Fate of Pakistani Women”). Similar figures were recorded for 1999.

We tried to find and collect the name of women (and men) who have been the victims of honour killings but we managed to fined a very little; our list is like a drop in the sea.

stophonourkillings.com/?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=2

 

[happilycatholic]

The Saudi Ambassador to London, Ghazi al-Qusaibi, says that stoning may seem irrational to the western mind, but it is “**at the core of the Islamic faith.” **He also says that Westerners should respect Muslin culture on this matter.

Flogging, Stoning, and Amputations Are in Muslim Eyes “The Core of the Islamic Faith”
"On the other hand… democracy in Britain can do what it wants.

In law school, we learned that the English Parliament can do anything except make a male into a female and a female into a male. Now it can do that too.

In contrast, according to the Islamic view, no one – the nation cannot, 1,200,000,000 Muslims cannot –make the forbidden permissible and cannot make the permissible forbidden.

[In Islam] punishments have been set, and no matter what we say, the West will see them as barbaric and primitive. According to the Western view, flogging is illogical. Execution is unacceptable, and the same goes for amputating hands and stoning. **These are things that in Muslim eyes are at the core of the Islamic faith." **

I know these things are barbaric in nature, but shouldn’t the focus be on the reasons they are done? It wouldn’t matter if the punishment were the electric chair (in some views humane capital punishment) or chinese torture, it’s what leads up to the punishment that is the true atrocity.

These helpless victims don’t have a chance. We see the end result in the forefront, but what about the lack of defense on the part of the victim? Their scriptures leave the door wide open to culpability. The courts don’t offer any kind of real due process and then let these punishments be carried out in such barbaric manner.

Some woman can be accused by two men. Hauled off to court without proper defense and sentenced before she can say a word. Then she’s hauled out into the streets and the sentence is carried out by bystanders, whomever feels like killing a person that day.

It’s true, the nature of the punishment is too barbaric and should be banished as well, but the process by which a person is accused, “tried” and sentenced is every bit as bad as the actual manner in which the person is punished.

HC

 

[josie_L]

I know these things are barbaric in nature, but shouldn’t the focus be on the reasons they are done? It wouldn’t matter if the punishment were the electric chair (in some views humane capital punishment) or chinese torture, it’s what leads up to the punishment that is the true atrocity.

These helpless victims don’t have a chance. We see the end result in the forefront, but what about the lack of defense on the part of the victim? Their scriptures leave the door wide open to culpability. The courts don’t offer any kind of real due process and then let these punishments be carried out in such barbaric manner.

Some woman can be accused by two men. Hauled off to court without proper defense and sentenced before she can say a word. Then she’s hauled out into the streets and the sentence is carried out by bystanders, whomever feels like killing a person that day.

It’s true, the nature of the punishment is too barbaric and should be banished as well, but the process by which a person is accused, “tried” and sentenced is every bit as bad as the actual manner in which the person is punished.

HC

Did you see the other clip of the film movie entitled “The Stoning” I posted?

 

[happilycatholic]

“For things to change, police, prosecutors and even judges need to be educated on gender equality.”

**Thank you Josie for your post. I culled this part out because I think this is the correlation with Islam. Does Islam really teach equality among men and women? I’m asking this sincerely. I haven’t read the Quaran or the teachings of the prophet. **

**This is the chance for Muslims and Muslim advocates to step up. **

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HC

 

[happilycatholic]

Did you see the other clip of the film movie entitled “The Stoning” I posted?

I did and I honestly don’t think I could watch the movie. Don’t get me wrong, I really, really think these things should be absolutely banned and when they happen, the perpetrators should be punished. But I guess what bothered me most was all that led up to it. She was helpless, totally helpless to stop any of it or change anyone’s mind. I think it happens more than anyone knows. Like your post said, it’s hard to record when women are kept “off record”.

This needs to be in every household around the world. Awareness of this needs to spread like wildfire so that these victims are not alone in their suffering.

Less of this would happen if more were watching

Hc

 

[josie_L]

josie L;5144333:

“For things to change, police, prosecutors and even judges need to be educated on gender equality.”

**Thank you Josie for your post. I culled this part out because I think this is the correlation with Islam. Does Islam really teach equality among men and women? I’m asking this sincerely. I haven’t read the Quaran or the teachings of the prophet. **

**This is the chance for Muslims and Muslim advocates to step up. **

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HC

Yes, that is a very good question. And although, I am not Muslim, I think the answer would be no, it (Islam) doesn’t.

 

[jakasaki]

Top Iranian regime’s official defends stoning

Sunday, 15 July 2007

TEHRAN (AFP) - ** A top Iranian official Sunday defended the use of execution by stoning after a sentence was carried out on an adulterer, saying the punishment was legal and in line with Iran’s rights commitments. **

Mohammad Javad Larijani, the head of the Iranian judiciary’s human rights committee, said the judiciary supported the principle of stoning after confirmation last week of the stoning sparked international condemnation.

**“Stoning is based on Islamic Sharia law and it is not contrary to any of our international obligations,” **Larijani was quoted as saying by state television’s Web site.

"We have signed four important treaties on human rights. None of them has any opposition to stoning.

“But since Westerners have their own interpretations of the articles and the contents of these documents, they oppose stoning,” said Larijani, the brother of Iran’s top nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani.

The stoning to death of Jafar Kiani in a village in the northwestern province of Qazvin was the first time Iran had confirmed such an execution in five years, and came despite a 2002 directive to suspend the practice.

The Iranian judicary has since launched a probe into the local judge who ordered that the sentence be carried out, saying it was contrary to the directive issued by judiciary chief Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahrudi.

A stoning sentence involves members of the public hurling rocks at the convict who is buried up to his waist in earth.

Asked by state television whether the Qazvin verdict went against the judiciary’s will, Larijani repeated that the punishment of stoning was within Islamic law.

"The holy lawgiver made such a verdict not as a way of revenge, but deterrence.

“Coming up with such a verdict and executing it has its own special intricacies. Mr. Shahrudi is not opposed to the principle of a [stoning] verdict which is based on Islamic Sharia.”

However, Larijani, who also advises the judiciary on international affairs, stressed that the Iranian authorities took “meticulous” care before issuing any stoning verdict.

“It is not because the Westerners put pressure on us that we take great care with these kinds of verdicts,” he emphasized.

Western human rights groups have said that other stonings have taken place in Iran since 2002, but the has judiciary never confirmed these.

Kiani was arrested 11 years ago while living with Mokarrameh Ebrahimi when both were reportedly married to others. Ebrahimi has also been sentenced to death by stoning, but the carrying out of her verdict has been halted.

ncr-iran.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3849&Itemid=152

 

[jakasaki]

Iran: New executions demonstrate need for unequivocal legal ban of stoning

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC STATEMENT

AI Index: MDE 13/004/2009

15 January 2009

Iran: New executions demonstrate need for unequivocal legal ban of stoning

Amnesty International deplores the execution by stoning of two men – Houshang Khodadadeh and another unidentified man - in Mashhad, north-east Iran, probably on 26 December 2008 and urges the authorities to declare an immediate and effective moratorium on executions by stoning, including in the cases of the ten people currently known to be at risk of stoning to death. The stonings were confirmed on 13 January 2009 by Judiciary Spokesman Ali Reza Jamshidi.

These new cases of stoning yet again demonstrate that statements – such as one made by Ali Reza Jamshidi in August 2008 in which he declared that stonings in Iran had been halted - or even directives by the Head of Iran’s Judiciary are not enough to halt this horrific practice. The speedy enactment of legislation that unequivocally brings an end to this grotesque punishment is necessary and long overdue.

A third man, an Afghan national identified only as “Mahmoud Gh.” managed to free himself from the pit he was to be stoned in, and is currently believed to be in custody. None of the three men were previously known to be at risk of stoning by anti-stoning campaigners in Iran. Amnesty International and campaigners in Iran are aware of ten other people at risk of stoning to death, but fear there may be others.

According to the “Stop Stoning Forever” Campaign, which is working for an end to this punishment, at least eight women and two men are at risk of stoning to death in Iran. The women are Kobra N., held in Reja’i Shahr prison, Karaj; Iran A, held in Sepidar Prison, Ahvaz; Khayrieh V., also held in Sepidar Prison, Ahvaz; Ashraf Kalhori, held in Evin Prison, Tehran; Gilan Mohammadi, held in the Central Prison in Esfahan; Afsaneh R, held in Adel Abad Prison in Shiraz;, M.J, held Vakil Abad Prison in Mashhad; and H, also held in Vakil Abad Prison in Mashhad. The men are Abdollah Farivar, held in Sari Prison in Mazandaran province and Gholamali Eskandari, held in the Central Prison, Esfahan.

Two other women – sisters Zohreh and Azar Kabiri-niat – are currently being retried before Branch 77 of Tehran’s General Court. Their previous conviction and sentence to stoning was overturned in 2008 by the Head of the Judiciary. If convicted again after the retrial, they risk being sentenced once again to death by stoning.

In Iran, stoning to death is a penalty prescribed specifically for “adultery while being married”. The offence should be proved either by confession four times in front of the judge, the testimony of four male eyewitnesses or of three men and two women; or by the “knowledge” of the judge, which can include video footage or forensic evidence.

Amnesty International urges the Iranian authorities to enact a law unequivocally banning stoning as a legal punishment. Pending the adoption of such a law, an immediate and effective moratorium on executions by stoning should be implemented. As some judges, especially outside Tehran continue to sentence individuals to stoning, it should be made clear to officials of the law enforcement, custodial and other relevant ministries and agencies, that this moratorium must not be breached and that any officials who defy that instruction will themselves be held accountable.

The Iranian authorities should also ensure that any legislation enacted, including the new Penal Code, conforms to their international obligations under human rights law, and that consensual sexual relations are unambiguously decriminalized.

amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGMDE130042009&lang=e

 

[jakasaki]

An important aspect of the law of punishments of the Qur’an is that it classifies the crimes into two broad categories:

1. where the crime is committed in its simple form; and
2. where the same or a different crime becomes a crime against the whole society.

Islam has separately mentioned the punishments that it wants to administer against criminals who commit some of the crimes in their simple form. In this category the Qur’an has mentioned the maximum punishment that it wants to administer against theives, fornicators, murderers and those who are involved in defamation and slander. It is quite easy to understand what these crimes are, therefore no explanation needs to be given in this respect.

Besides these crimes, there are other crimes which may be related to these crimes or may be independent of these crimes which are not against a particular individual/individuals but become crimes against the society as a whole. These crimes may include treason, mutiny against the state etc. Furthermore, when theft becomes dacoity, murder becomes terrorism, fornication becomes rape or gang rape etc even then Islam considers these crimes to be crimes not just against an individual(s) but against the whole society in general.

The Qur’an, besides mentioning the punishment for the crimes of the first category, has also mentioned the punishments for the crimes that fall in the second category (Al-Maidah 5: 33, 34).

In this case, the Qur’an has given four options for the person administering the punishment. Thus, in this case, the punishment may be severe or comparatively soft depending upon the nature of the crime committed and on the various conditions of the criminal.

The punishments mentioned in the Qur’an, from among which one of the punishments shall be administered are:

**Taqteel: Taqteel in the Arabic language means to kill in a very painful manner. One of the methods of taqteel, as adopted in the times of the Prophet (pbuh) was rajam or stoning to death. **Other methods might include killing through the Electric chair etc.

Tasleeb: Tasleeb means to crucify. Crucifixion is the other option given by the Qur’an. Both taqteel and tasleeb are different methods that may be adopted to punish a criminal that in the eyes of the judge deserves no mercy and should not be allowed to live in the society.

Amputation of a hand and a foot: The third option is to cut of a hand and a foot of the criminal. This option shall be administered if the judge feels that the criminal has committed such a heinous crime that even if he may be allowed to live, he should be made an example for the other members of the society and should not be allowed to live a normal life.

Banishment: The fourth option given to the judge for punishing the criminals of the second category is to bansh them from their land. This option shall be used for such criminals who, in the eyes of the judge have the potential of correction and who, only due to their bad company had committed a grave crime.

Keeping the above explanation in perspective, it seems that the Prophet (pbuh) sentenced people to stoning to death as one of the methods of taqteel. This also gives us an idea that those who were punished inthis manner were people who had not committed fornication in its simple form but were probably rapists because of whom the society was facing grave problems.

I am sure that anyone who does not have an inherent inclination of supporting only the criminals in the society and anyone who can also feel the pain of the aggrieved and not just the punishment that is going to administered to the oppressor shall agree that such criminals deserve to dealt with in such a severe manner.

I do agree, to some extent, that these punishments are somewhat cruel and inhumane. But I would like to remind you that these punishments are to be administered on those individuals and groups who have acted in such a cruel and an inhumane way that they deserve nothing less than an inhumane and a cruel punishment.

understanding-islam.com/rp/p-005.htm

 

[josie_L]

An important aspect of the law of punishments of the Qur’an is that it classifies the crimes into two broad categories:

1. where the crime is committed in its simple form; and
2. where the same or a different crime becomes a crime against the whole society.

Islam has separately mentioned the punishments that it wants to administer against criminals who commit some of the crimes in their simple form. In this category the Qur’an has mentioned the maximum punishment that it wants to administer against theives, fornicators, murderers and those who are involved in defamation and slander. It is quite easy to understand what these crimes are, therefore no explanation needs to be given in this respect.

Besides these crimes, there are other crimes which may be related to these crimes or may be independent of these crimes which are not against a particular individual/individuals but become crimes against the society as a whole. These crimes may include treason, mutiny against the state etc. Furthermore, when theft becomes dacoity, murder becomes terrorism, fornication becomes rape or gang rape etc even then Islam considers these crimes to be crimes not just against an individual(s) but against the whole society in general.

The Qur’an, besides mentioning the punishment for the crimes of the first category, has also mentioned the punishments for the crimes that fall in the second category (Al-Maidah 5: 33, 34).

In this case, the Qur’an has given four options for the person administering the punishment. Thus, in this case, the punishment may be severe or comparatively soft depending upon the nature of the crime committed and on the various conditions of the criminal.

The punishments mentioned in the Qur’an, from among which one of the punishments shall be administered are:

**Taqteel: Taqteel in the Arabic language means to kill in a very painful manner. One of the methods of taqteel, as adopted in the times of the Prophet (pbuh) was rajam or stoning to death. **Other methods might include killing through the Electric chair etc.

Tasleeb: Tasleeb means to crucify. Crucifixion is the other option given by the Qur’an. Both taqteel and tasleeb are different methods that may be adopted to punish a criminal that in the eyes of the judge deserves no mercy and should not be allowed to live in the society.

Amputation of a hand and a foot: The third option is to cut of a hand and a foot of the criminal. This option shall be administered if the judge feels that the criminal has committed such a heinous crime that even if he may be allowed to live, he should be made an example for the other members of the society and should not be allowed to live a normal life.

Banishment: The fourth option given to the judge for punishing the criminals of the second category is to bansh them from their land. This option shall be used for such criminals who, in the eyes of the judge have the potential of correction and who, only due to their bad company had committed a grave crime.

Keeping the above explanation in perspective, it seems that the Prophet (pbuh) sentenced people to stoning to death as one of the methods of taqteel. This also gives us an idea that those who were punished inthis manner were people who had not committed fornication in its simple form but were probably rapists because of whom the society was facing grave problems.

I am sure that anyone who does not have an inherent inclination of supporting only the criminals in the society and anyone who can also feel the pain of the aggrieved and not just the punishment that is going to administered to the oppressor shall agree that such criminals deserve to dealt with in such a severe manner.

I do agree, to some extent, that these punishments are somewhat cruel and inhumane. But I would like to remind you that these punishments are to be administered on those individuals and groups who have acted in such a cruel and an inhumane way that they deserve nothing less than an inhumane and a cruel punishment.

understanding-islam.com/rp/p-005.htm

:crying: :tsktsk: :banghead: :doh2: :frighten: :manvspc: :nunchuk:

 

[jakasaki]

**Stoning: Does It Have Any Basis in Shari`ah? **

**Question **- Dear scholars, as-Salamu `alaykum. I have heard that the punishment specified for the person who commits adultery is 80 lashes. I would like to ask, from where did you get the punishment of stoning to death. Moreover, if you say that it is based on the Sunnah, I can say that how to depend on Sunnah in this regard. Isn’t it a fact that the Qur’an is the source of legislation for all Muslims? Jazakum Allah khayran.

**Answer **-
Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

~ snip ~ - Read the link

Coming to the issue of stoning to death as a punishment for married adulterer and adulteress, the statement that there is no verse stipulating that punishment is not correct.

**It is to be made crystal clear that the punishment is explicitly sanctioned by both the Qur’an and the Prophetic Tradition. Before explaining this further, it’s to be stressed that such punishment should not be a cause of wonder, especially when we know that it had been there in the Divine Scriptures revealed before the Glorious Qur’an. **

There is a reference to this punishment in the Bible, for instance. It reads: “If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.” (Deuteronomy 22: 22) and also in Leviticus, we find the following verse:“If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife-with the wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death” (Leviticus 20: 10).

Of course he must bring the Bible into question… /sarc

All this makes it clear that it was neither Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) nor the glorious Qur’an, revealed to him, brought the capital punishment (as a punishment for adultery) out of the blue.

Being the Seal Prophet, it was his mission to perfect the Divine Message of the Supreme Creator!

The second point that should be borne in mind on this issue is that, as previously refuted, the statement that the Qur’an is silent on this punishment is not genuine.

**Actually, according to renowned Muslim jurists, there was a verse (Ayah) in the Qur’an that talked about this matter. Though the verse was abrogated, but the abrogation here is in wording; the ruling is still kept in force. **

~ snip ~ Read the link - It explains abrogation

**So the point here is: the practice of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is itself a part of revelation. Almighty Allah explains this saying: (And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it.

And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal.) (Al-Hashr 59: 7)

Also Allah says: (…then let those beware who withstand the Messenger’s order, lest some trial befall them, or a grievous penalty be inflicted on them) (An-Nur 24: 63). **

According to eminent Qur’an exegetes, this verse serves as a strong warning against deviating from the Tradition of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

**Imam Ibn Kathir says: “The words ‘the messenger’s order’ refer to his Path, teachings, laws and tradition. Thus, all words and deeds should be weighed according to the words and deeds of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in the sense that whatever correspond with his words and deeds are accepted and whatever contradicts that should be rejected.” **

The abrogated verse stated that “A married man and woman, if they commit adultery, stone them to death.”

This verse states clearly that the prescribed punishment for adultery, which means an illegitimate sexual intercourse between a married man and a woman married to another man is stoning to death.

~ snip ` Read the rest of the link… too much to post.

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545902

 

[jakasaki]

: crying: :tsktsk: :banghead: :doh2: :frighten: :manvspc: :nunchuk:

What Josie… do you not like my reaseach from islamic sites… ???