The Struggles of NFP in PerioMenopause

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OK–first, I’d like to add that I’m starting this thread, NOT to get a lecture on the “theology of the Body” or Church doctrine. I know what it is. That’s not where I’m coming from. What I’m hoping is to hear from REAL married couples who are sharing in the REAL struggle of NFP past the age of 45 (or whatever age they are at in which they’re seeing the signs of perimenopause). The struggles can include, but not be limited to:
  1. Being in a position in which becoming pregnant would be more harmful than anything (physically or emotionally—we overlook that anxiety and depression are real illnesses), thus fear of an unplanned pregnancy.
  2. Lenghtened periods of abstinence and more rigid rules due to increased fertility signs (real or just body changes–who knows?) is creating more bitterness and resentment toward the method than bonding.
I’ve been searching for information on line, and nothing seems to present anything but “suck it up and bear it for the next 5 to 10 years”. Nothing that makes NFP more usable, just more frightening and rigid–no matter what method. Or only points to years of complete abstinence, which I believe takes away from the unity of a couple. I’m not ready to live with my husband like we’re roommates.

I’d like to hear from other couples who are facing similar struggles and frustrations and how they’re handling them or what recourse they’ve taken. I think it’s important that we be able to acknowledge, without feeling guilty saying this, that for whatever just reasons we’re done with having kids, that pregnancy after a certain age carries much stronger risks and should be avoided, and that NFP isn’t as wonderful now as it may have been when we were younger and more willing to accept an unplanned pregnancy.

And for the record, I have been in the past, an avid cheerleader of NFP but as I get into my mid-40s, I’m finding that the church hasn’t done a particularily good job of acknowledging this struggle and NFP studies are still more focused on younger couples for whom an unplanned pregnancy carries less risk. I’d still recommend this method to any younger couples who are planning their families and want to space children. But I can’t promote it anymore without feeling a sense of being trapped.
 
I’m in my mid-thirties and we go through menopause young in my family. I knew from blood tests I was perimenopausal.

Guess what? NFP is awfully hard right now and I’m 23 1/2 weeks pregnant! :rolleyes:

I don’t have anything useful to add. I just wanted to say, “I feel your pain” and that I’m not sure what we’re going to do after the baby is born.
 
Hi ColNY…

First off… I’m sorry you’re struggling through this time. I’m not there yet (perimenopause), but I know it can be a challenging time with NFP…

Sorry, I know these questions will sound annoyingly practical… but you never know if they’ll lead you to some help…

What method of NFP do you use?
Would you consider looking into another method?
Are you still in contact with any instructors who can help you work through your charts?

Prayers for your situation…
 
I am in my mid 40s but do not have any bitterness or issues with NFP.

I’m not sure where these feelings and resentment come from, I can’t relate to it at all.
 
Thank you for this topic. I’m looking for advice, too.
 
Attitude is everything. If you think it will be miserable, it probably will be. I am now on the other side of menopause. Here’s my 2 cents.

While it is entirely possible that menopause process may last 5 or more years, that’s not true in all cases. Being knowledgeable about NFP will give you an advantage.

Keep up the blood testing. You may be “done” before you realize it. I was.

Learn a back-up method. Menopause means change and that means that the tried and true NFP method may yeild less familiar results. If you have always used Crieghton, learn Billings; if you have always used Billings, give ST a try.
And for the record, I have been in the past, an avid cheerleader of NFP but as I get into my mid-40s, I’m finding that the church hasn’t done a particularily good job of acknowledging this struggle and NFP studies are still more focused on younger couples for whom an unplanned pregnancy carries less risk. I’d still recommend this method to any younger couples who are planning their families and want to space children. But I can’t promote it anymore without feeling a sense of being trapped.
You may be right about this but since the only real alternative to NFP is complete abstinance, what would you expect from the Church? You seem to have some really serious reasons to not get pregnant again but that is not true of all or even most older couples. A couple can have a serious reason at any age.
 
Fertility, Cycles & Nutrition by Marilyn Shannon
A Natrural Guide to Postpartum Health by Daen Raffelock
Before the Change: Taking Charge of Your Perimenopause by Ann Gittleman
What your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause: John Lee
couple to couple league postpartum guide

you could rent them from the library. I’m not pre menopause yet but I’m scared of the change too. I got this list from the first book by Marilyn Shannon I have only read the first book but they rest sound helpful and it can’t hurt to read them.
 
Hi ColNY…

First off… I’m sorry you’re struggling through this time. I’m not there yet (perimenopause), but I know it can be a challenging time with NFP…

Sorry, I know these questions will sound annoyingly practical… but you never know if they’ll lead you to some help…

What method of NFP do you use?
Would you consider looking into another method?
Are you still in contact with any instructors who can help you work through your charts?

Prayers for your situation…
Billings/Creighton Model. I have talked to my instructor and that’s why I’m frustrated. She talks about finding ways to use more days, but it seems like there’s more limitations now than ever–especially when she’s filling me in on people who got pregnant thinking they were in the clear with menopause, but it was a fertile sign. And it’s tougher now since my husband is on the road 5 days a week for work so we’re even more limited than before–though we started to get frustrated with this method a couple of years ago.
 
Fertility, Cycles & Nutrition by Marilyn Shannon
A Natrural Guide to Postpartum Health by Daen Raffelock
Before the Change: Taking Charge of Your Perimenopause by Ann Gittleman
What your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause: John Lee
couple to couple league postpartum guide

you could rent them from the library. I’m not pre menopause yet but I’m scared of the change too. I got this list from the first book by Marilyn Shannon I have only read the first book but they rest sound helpful and it can’t hurt to read them.
Thanks Rita, I think I’ll take a look.
 
Thank you for this topic. I’m looking for advice, too.
You keep me posted on what you find, I’ll post on what I find. 😉 We need to have more resources to share on how to handle this topic as it’s one that no one discusses or has easy advice on. And the lack of compassion I’ve seen from some people on these boards toward women/couples has left me even more upset. But then, I have to remind myself, in many cases, particularily the internet-- you really don’t know much about the person posting it and how authoritative they are. .

This maybe something I have to ask a priest about, too.
 
I am in my mid 40s but do not have any bitterness or issues with NFP.

I’m not sure where these feelings and resentment come from, I can’t relate to it at all.
Thank you for your reply and good for you that you can’t relate to this struggle. Of course in life, we all struggle with something, so I’m sure your struggles maybe different and I will say a prayer for those.
 
I started using the creighton method and switched to stm. I need to use all signs of fertility not just mucus sign. some places its hard to find other methods (teachers) of other methods so you may have to teach yourself online and find support online. thats what I have to do, where I live there is no help or teachers for stm just creighton. I have friends that still use creighton and added the marquette fertility monitor “clear blue?” for me I don’t need the monitor (yet) I can still know each day were I’m in my cycle with stm. the temps (temps are most helpful in phase 3) and cervix checks have really helped me know if I’m fertile or not each day. Marquette will be the least amount of change for you but if you don’t want to buy the monitor you could switch methods for you here is the links.

nfp.marquette.edu/ (fertility monitor)
ccli.org/nfp/stm-method/ccl-stm-method.php ( very simple method of stm)
nfpandmore.org/ (cheep $10 or free but most complicated method of stm)

fyi you can buy the books used/cheep online like amazon
 
nfpandmore.org/wordpress/?p=1325

this link (blog post) sums up how I feel about the Creigton method… the truth hurts sometimes sorry Creigton method. read the ps part too. this is also the same link above in my pp post, its the complicated version of stm but it has a lot of great info its just ccl stm is much more simple to use. I don’t want to start a war of the methods here I just want to help you get all the information out there; every women deserves to know all the signs of fertility!!!
 
Billings/Creighton Model. I have talked to my instructor and that’s why I’m frustrated. She talks about finding ways to use more days, but it seems like there’s more limitations now than ever–especially when she’s filling me in on people who got pregnant thinking they were in the clear with menopause, but it was a fertile sign. And it’s tougher now since my husband is on the road 5 days a week for work so we’re even more limited than before–though we started to get frustrated with this method a couple of years ago.
I certainly can’t knock any particular method because they all seem to have their merits for particular people…
But, if you’re finding difficulty with this method in your situation, I HIGHLY suggest looking at other options!!!

Ditto what Rita is saying:
I started using the creighton method and switched to stm. I need to use all signs of fertility not just mucus sign. some places its hard to find other methods (teachers) of other methods so you may have to teach yourself online and find support online. thats what I have to do, where I live there is no help or teachers for stm just creighton. I have friends that still use creighton and added the marquette fertility monitor “clear blue?” for me I don’t need the monitor (yet) I can still know each day were I’m in my cycle with stm. the temps (temps are most helpful in phase 3) and cervix checks have really helped me know if I’m fertile or not each day. Marquette will be the least amount of change for you but if you don’t want to buy the monitor you could switch methods for you here is the links.

nfp.marquette.edu/ (fertility monitor)
ccli.org/nfp/stm-method/ccl-stm-method.php ( very simple method of stm)
nfpandmore.org/ (cheep $10 or free but most complicated method of stm)

fyi you can buy the books used/cheep online like amazon
nfpandmore.org/wordpress/?p=1325

this link (blog post) sums up how I feel about the Creigton method… the truth hurts sometimes sorry Creigton method. this is also the same link above in my pp post, its the complicated version of stm but it has a lot of great info its just ccl stm is much more simple to use. I don’t want to start a war of the methods here I just want to help you get all the information out there; every women deserves to know all the signs of fertility!!!
 
nfpandmore.org/wordpress/?p=1325

this link (blog post) sums up how I feel about the Creigton method… the truth hurts sometimes sorry Creigton method. read the ps part too. this is also the same link above in my pp post, its the complicated version of stm but it has a lot of great info its just ccl stm is much more simple to use. I don’t want to start a war of the methods here I just want to help you get all the information out there; every women deserves to know all the signs of fertility!!!
I just wanted to comment. (some content might be PG)

I used Billings then I learned Creighton to track some health issues. It was recommended by my NFP only ob, who knows, Sympto thermal, Creighton and Billings.

With Creighton I had symptoms of a polyp, lo and behold I had a uterine polyp,(benign and removed) I also had symptoms of an ovarian cyst, lo and behold I do have one, a complex cyst on my right ovary.

As for temping, Creighton is based on Billings, The charts are in fact very similar, almost identical. Dr. Billings, at the time did not include temping in his method, because he felt that the mucus gave better evidence of fertility. The creighton method standardized billings, with a more accurate description of fertile mucus, and more accurate instructions for avoiding and achieving.

I personally feel confident in observing just mucus, temping and cervical positions would confuse me and have me feel less confident.

One thing I don’t understand though
We understand that the CrM teaches women to do Kegel exercises to expel as much semen as they can shortly after the marriage act. We find this morally ambiguous. While the intention is probably not contraceptive, the action itself is too close to the action of a post-coital tap-water douche. That is, the action itself may have contraceptive effects.
This action is done to eliminate confusion between seminal fluid and cervical mucus. It is not contraceptive, because it is also part of the trying to conceive regimen. It lessons her confusion in identifying fertile mucus. It does nothing to expel any of the semen that has past the cervix. The elimination is done after 30 minutes to insure that sperm migrates to the fallopian tubes.

How can this be in the least contraceptive?

Lastly, if a woman desires to track all the symptoms of fertility, no one is obligating her to use Creighton. She does not need to, she can use sympto-thermal, and it seems that the information is easy enough to find.
 
Mary Gail 36 I agree with you on the Kegel exercises. you sound like you have infertility issues thats what the creighton method is best at infertility or medical issues. I think I derailed the thread and would like to stay on subject “PerioMenopause” I would like to learn more about it too.
 
Mary Gail 36 I agree with you on the Kegel exercises. you sound like you have infertility issues thats what the creighton method is best at infertility or medical issues. I think I derailed the thread and would like to stay on subject “PerioMenopause” I would like to learn more about it too.
As do I, I’m 42 so it could be soon for me as well. ⭕(
 
I just wanted to comment. (some content might be PG)

This action is done to eliminate confusion between seminal fluid and cervical mucus. It is not contraceptive, because it is also part of the trying to conceive regimen. It lessons her confusion in identifying fertile mucus. It does nothing to expel any of the semen that has past the cervix. The elimination is done after 30 minutes to insure that sperm migrates to the fallopian tubes.

How can this be in the least contraceptive?

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I always thought that Kegels were done so that you could eliminate as much seminal fluid as possible so that the residual fluid wouldn’t be mistaken for cervical mucous—regardless of how you were using the method (to avoid or achieve). I’m surprised that anyone would assume otherwise. :confused:
 
Mary Gail 36 I agree with you on the Kegel exercises. thats the one part disagree with Kippley about. you sound like you have infertility issues thats what the Creighton method is best at infertility or medical issues. I think I derailed the thread and would like to stay on subject “PerioMenopause” I would like to learn more about it too. Mary Gail 36 I’ve read some of your post and you are very well educated with the Creighton method I used it for three years. I do like however how the Creighton method can determine the difference between fertility mucus and semen residue I think some people can do this although I was not one of them. I tried hard but that’s why I switched because I couldn’t learn how to tell the difference. I think mucus during the supposedly non fertility (phase 1 or 3 or pre peak or post peak) is the biggest problem with nfp and I think that’s what the OP is struggling with from the sounds of her post. With stm I know I’m for sure in post peak or phase 3 as we call it because of my thermal shift proving that I have already ovulated and there fore can’t double peak that cycle so even if I see mucus it would probably be semen residue (sr) or what ever but it can’t mean I’m double peaking because I got a thermal shift and have already ovulated and can’t ovulate twice in one cycle. You can still double peak but you would see a thermal shift until you ovulated so if you don’t see a thermal shift then you haven’t ovulated. Also the cervix checks open when fertile closed when not (don’t check it after going to the bathroom and only in the evening). So if I see mucus during a supposedly non fertile I check my cervix and look at my temp to help me determine where I am in my cycle.
 
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