The sufficiency of Christ

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Dancelittleewok said:
Ahem, I believe I had some questions for you at the beginning of page 1. Mind answering those, Adam?
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Thanks for participating and your patience. I will answer your direct question later today. I’m interested in reading comments by others in their understanding on the sufficiency of Jesus Christ. It is quite central to the Christian Faith. We are not really discussing the TUILIP. We are really discussing the essential doctrine of the _________ which is directly related to Christ and Him crucified on our behalf. 🙂 I believe the greater we understand the person and work of Jesus Christ as applied to us, the greater love and affection we will have for our Triune God… leading to deeper and richer worship.

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2nd_Adam said:
LOL… I really enjoy my Catholic siblings in Christ. This has to be one of the best Christian Forum sites on the Internet. You guys are so gracious to your Protestant siblings. I apologize for my Protestants siblings when they are offensive on the Protestant Forum sites. And yes, Protestants love the book of James too. After-all James was the leader at the Council of Jerusalem. The account is in the book of Acts.
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What the heck, I"ll post this here as well

Romans 11,
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, so is the lump also: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken, and thou, being a wild olive, art ingrafted in them, and art made partaker of the root, and of the fatness of the olive tree, 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then: The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well: because of unbelief they were broken off. But thou standest by faith: be not highminded, but fear.
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21 For if God hath not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps he also spare not thee. 22 See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the wild olive tree, which is natural to thee; and, contrary to nature, were grafted into the good olive tree; how much more shall they that are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? 25 For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, of this mystery, (lest you should be wise in your own conceits), that blindness in part has happened in Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles should come in.
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Whoops… Absolute asurity? I think not.
 
2nd_Adam said:
Thanks for participating and your patience. I will answer your direct question later today. I’m interested in reading comments by others in their understanding on the sufficiency of Jesus Christ. It is quite central to the Christian Faith. We are not really discussing the TUILIP. We are really discussing the essential doctrine of the _________ which is directly related to Christ and Him crucified on our behalf. 🙂 I believe the greater we understand the person and work of Jesus Christ as applied to us, the greater love and affection we will have for our Triune God… leading to deeper and richer worship.

:harp: - Rejoicing in the Lord together on Catholic Answers!
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In order to have a discussion, one must answer questions as well…

Futhermore, if you already believe that Catholics have a “lower position” in comparison to Protestantism, then what do you gain by accessing our understanding if you’ve already made up your own mind on what we believe?
 
benidict said:
good morning 2nd, the sun is just coming up here in hawaii.🙂 limited atonement is about the sufficiency of Christ death. trying to show it from your angle. you are promoting a calvinistic doctrine so i thought i would help to show some others where you may be coming from. now if you could, plz answere dancelittlewoks questions. and i thank you my brother in advance. God bless you and yours.👍
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I promise you it’s not about the 5 points of Calvinism. I’m not even discussing a doctrine that is an exclusive belief of Calvinists. I am discussing an exclusive belief of historic Protestant theology centering on the death of Christ.

My mom and dad are from Hawaii. My mom was born and raised on the Big Island. My dad was born and raised on Kauai. So, what part of Hawaii are your from. I still have many relatives in Hawaii. Maybe you might know them.
 
benidict said:
:hypno:yes osas is a strange doctrine… cant see how i believed it all those years.👍
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This is not about the P in TULIP. It is not about OSAS since there are already several threads about the P going on. What does the sufficiency of Christ have to do with? What was the mission of Jesus Christ? Why did God the Father send His only Son into the world for? Here’s a picture of what we are discussing.

http://www.woodlawnchristianfellowship.net/images/cross_sunset.jpg
 
2nd_Adam said:
I promise you it’s not about the 5 points of Calvinism. I’m not even discussing a doctrine that is an exclusive belief of Calvinists. I am discussing an exclusive belief of historic Protestant theology centering on the death of Christ.

My mom and dad are from Hawaii. My mom was born and raised on the Big Island. My dad was born and raised on Kauai. So, what part of Hawaii are your from. I still have many relatives in Hawaii. Maybe you might know them.
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good morning 2nd. not from hawaii, just stationed out here at sholfield barracks. in the u.s. army. on oahu. only been here since may, so not likely i know any of your relatives. but i have a friend who has lived here for years and gets around to all the islands. thats pretty neat you have relatives here tho. you and yours have a wonderful day:)
 
2nd_Adam said:
This is not about the P in TULIP. It is not about OSAS since there is already several threads about the P going on. What doe the sufficiency of Christ have to do with? What was the mission of Jesus Christ? Why did God the Father send His only Son into the world for?
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for God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son. that whosoever shalt believe in him shalt not perish, but have everlasting life. john 3:16
 
benidict said:
for God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son. that whosoever shalt believe in him shalt not perish, but have everlasting life. john 3:16
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You see… Christianity is definitely catholic (universal). What a wonderful verse that we embrace in Christian unity. And yes, John 3:16 is definitely within the thread topic!
 
2nd_Adam said:
Do you guys agree that God sent His only Son into this sin cursed word to rescue sinners from their condemned condition?
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This question alludes to TULIP.

How are we to have “dialogue” if we are unclear about what you are trying to discuss?

C’mon, spit it out.
 
2nd_Adam said:
This is not about the P in TULIP. It is not about OSAS since there is already several threads about the P going on. What does the sufficiency of Christ have to do with? What was the mission of Jesus Christ? Why did God the Father send His only Son into the world for? Here’s a picture of what we are discussing.

http://www.woodlawnchristianfellowship.net/images/cross_sunset.jpg
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To open the Gates of Heaven,but people have to carrier their own cross too.
 
2nd_Adam said:
I promise you it’s not about TULIP. There are many Protestants who are not Calvinists who proclaim the same sufficiency of Jesus Christ too!
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I never liked twenty questions…

If it’s not about TULIP, then what? Yes, it’s the sufficiency about Jesus about, but you are (strangely) unwilling to answer anything about your own theology…Why?
 
Dancelittleewok said:
This question alludes to TULIP.

How are we to have “dialogue” if we are unclear about what you are trying to discuss?

C’mon, spit it out.
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yes it does:) but guanaphore totally whooped him on this, so he is attempting a new path to try. im kinda finding this interesting. and i think im beginning to see where hes going with this. i actually think he is looking at some things that unite us, for a change.🙂
 
i just wanna comment a little because my family consists of catholics,baptists,and assembly of god. what i find is that a lot of non catholics kind of have a lazy christian view, another words they think all they have to do is say the sinners prayer and thats that. we catholics believe you have to continually work toward salvation. when you become a christian you become part of the body of christ,a member, but you cant believe you are perfect from then on and dont have to participate to keep your salvation alive. i know for me it is a daily work that never ends. Christ did not say to the apostles now that you believe go home it is finshed. He told them to preach the gospel, heal the sick, feed the hungery, build the church, etc… work constantly every day because we all fall short. peace be with you all and god bless:)🙂
 
Dancelittleewok said:
I never liked twenty questions…

If it’s not about TULIP, then what? Yes, it’s the sufficiency about Jesus about, but you are (strangely) unwilling to answer anything about your own theology…Why?
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Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
 
benidict said:
yes it does:) but guanaphore totally whooped him on this, so he is attempting a new path to try. im kinda finding this interesting. and i think im beginning to see where hes going with this. i actually think he is looking at some things that unite us, for a change.🙂
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Okay, now we are going to have to wait for my favorite brother guanaphore to post on this thread before I spill the beans.
 
2nd_Adam said:
You see… Christianity is definitely catholic (universal). What a wonderful verse that we embrace in Christian unity. And yes, John 3:16 is definitely within the thread topic!
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i do believe 2nd, this is the first time we have ever had an agreement between us.lol! lets enjoy it while it last. and please answere dancelittleewoks question.😉
 
benidict said:
yes it does:) but guanaphore totally whooped him on this, so he is attempting a new path to try. im kinda finding this interesting. and i think im beginning to see where hes going with this. i actually think he is looking at some things that unite us, for a change.🙂
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For my part, there’s hard to see a “us” if he and I are unclear on where we stand.
 
2nd_Adam said:
Okay, now we are going to have to wait for my favorite brother guanaphore to post on this thread before I spill the beans.
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i had a feeling you were waiting for him! lol! i cant wait either. my bigger brother is gonna kick your… well you know! lol!😃
 
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