Roman_Catholic, above is the part of the discussion regarding Adam and MacArthur somewhere way back in pages 53, 54.
What does God require from us to recieve our greatest need, everlasting life? Whatever answers that question, in my view, is central to the Gospel.
I suppose there is an advantage in SS for those who wish to create their own doctrines, apart from what the Apostles believed and taught.Of course you understand we are talking about a baptism in which is done by God and not the ones in which are conducted by our Pastors and Priests, correct?Sola Scriptura has its advantages dear sister in Christ.
The Apostles taught that this is a prophesy about baptism.
It is interesting that our Evangelical brethren chide Catholics about being “saved” then “unsaved” or “born again” then “unborn again”. However, Paul here makes it clear that circumcision (a permanent state) “becomes uncircumcision” when one falls into sin. What makes you think that the graces that occur when we are baptized into His death cannot therefore be also lost?
God is not bound by the sacraments, we are! Of course, he can save anyone He wants, however He likes. He instructed us to do it this certain way, so we do.Can someone be converted to Christ, born from above through faith alone apart from the sacrament of water baptism according to the Catholic Catechism?
I know; but there is also a chink in their armor. Their weakest point is their claim to scripturality—sola scriptura! Unfortunately for them, their theology is not as “scriptural” as they think; and for someone who knows his scriptures well, turning all the yarn that they spin into cotton is a relatively easy task. Calvinism is not a scripturally sound theology, although they like to think it is.
I think that you are mistaken. I made it clear that the context of the passages cited implied reference to those who had been justified and sanctified. They had been members of the Church, and then “turned away from holy commandments”.
Ummm, I guess you would say that wouldn’t you, since you are a Calvinist missionary on CAF.
Spot on!Hey Rocket,
Please be aware that 2ndAdam is a Calvinist missionary here on CA.
That is a question for you to answer, not him. Are Calvinists crazy? I don’t know; but judging by their theology and actions, they very well might be:
:yup:Oh…I am not hard to understand, actual I am very direct and to the point. I stated earlier, several hundred posts ago, that Calvinists witness out of obedience. They don’t think their efforts will change who is elect and who is not but they cannot deny that they are commanded to evangelize. It really is quite sad; Evangelize because you are commanded but your efforts really have no effect other than to “round up the elect”.
Wrong! Both justification and sanctification require the cooperation between God and man. Justification is a legalistic term. It means to pronounce someone just, or righteous. When a judge “justifies” someone, he pronounces him not guilty. Justification comes through faith, repentance, and baptism, which are voluntary actions by the believer. Sanctification comes by the gift of the Holy Ghost. Justification comes when our sins are remitted by virtue of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, through faith, repentance, and baptism, as taught in the following verses:
You are being too smart for these guys. Watch out though. If you prove to be too smart, Adam will soon put you on his “ignore” list!
Yes, your disappointment is palpable.
Agreed, a valid point. Protestant certainly have a “tradition” of their own; they just don’t like to call it that.Hey Adam—You might want to consider abandoning the changing of your name to Rocketman.
Really guys, the 2 of you have now filled us with garbage from MacArthur. One of you loves him and thinks he is a Godly preacher while the other one plagiarizes him.
You criticize us for having an authority in the church and not in scripture alone yet the 2 of you continuously post interpretations from sources other than scripture. Sources like MacArthur and the Westminster Confession. It is clear that you too have an authority that lies outside of scripture, it is just not the Catholic Church.
You can’t argue with Jesus or with what He has done in your life. It is unfortunate that you did not know Him when you were in the Church. My story is very similar and I can assure you that Jesus is in the Catholic Church. Everything leads us to Him and brings His fulness to us.
I think this is a catch 22. Here we have gone to the scriptures and come to a different conclusion than our brothers and sisters have. If I understand it correctly, you say we go back to scripture to determine the proper meaning. Since we had already done this and come to differing conclusions how can we go back and now get it correct? It seems to me that doing this has lead to the many different congregations that we have today.
We did not abandon you brother. There is a 1,000 post maximum limit on each thread. The moderator will close this thread very soon since we have surpass the limit. Therefore, join us on round two in the family fun time over here.
Fair enough. Could you give us a listing of these essentials, with Scriptural references, and the non-essentials?
Maybe it would be easier for us if you could copy and paste these same statements from the Catholic Catechism and then we could go through them one by one. Fair enough?