There are many many more grounded non-Calvinist Protestants who can expound the sufficiency of Christ much better than I can. Therefore, this topic cannot be commingled with Calvinism because Calvinism is not the gospel. The topic of the sufficiency of Christ is the heart of the gospel.
It must be commingled with Calvinism however, because non-Calvinist Christians whether Protestant or Catholic hold to very similar views on this. Unless of course your referring to pseudo Calvinists, who hold to parts of TULIP but not all? These are still Calvinists however. Maybe you need to define what you mean by sufficiency, in exact terms.
On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”I try to speak the truth in love imperfectly with my dear Mormon neighbors for their sake alone. I want them to be united to Christ and worship our great Triune God.
For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ. - Apostle Paul
Love is PatientYou can post all of your Calvinism questions of the Calvinism thread created for that particular purpose.
The issue is not about predestination. The issues are about sufficiency, adoption through propitiation, forensic justification, imputation, and substitutionary atonement. These are more Protestant views, and not exclusively Reformed views.
I think I have loved Zerinus more than you have in regard to what really matters. The truth divides.On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
He answered: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
" “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Questions: Do you really think your attitude toward Zerinus is loving? Did you become a Calvinist because of someone witnessing to you the way you are witnessing to Zerinus?
But anyway…
You have refused to address the point that you are misrepresenting Catholic teaching. Don’t you fear “bearing false witness against your neighbor?”
Who has the agenda now, I wonder?
Play fair, 2nd.
I have a question to ask you now. Which do you love more, Calvinism or the truth? Which do you love more, Calvinism or the Bible?I try to speak the truth in love imperfectly with my dear Mormon neighbors for their sake alone. I want them to be united to Christ and worship our great Triune God.
For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ. - Apostle Paul
Question: Why are you a Morman instead of a Catholic? Not that it really matters to me just wondering, since the CC does not accept Mormans as Christians. I accept you tho as a friend, is that okay? I have some Mormen relatives and I love them all.
OK, well obviously it you’re stuck on propitiation and imputation as the methods alone for sufficiency then I’d say that the Catholic view is clearly more “sufficient”. Although it should be noted that not all protestants hold to these views. An expiation of sin is more efficient and sufficient as they cause an actual change to the problem, which is sin. Unless of course your argument is that the problem is God and His wrath. Which I would think would be an awkward position for a Christian to take. I know I certainly view sin and not God as the problem in my life.
Do you think that will make up for your obfuscations, and refusal to give straight answers to straight questions, and taking people for fools and insulting their intelligence? Do you think that people are so stupid that they will fall for that?
I am not stupid thank you very much and I agree with Adam on a bunch of things maybe not everything, But 90%. He is my dear brother in Christ.:clapping:
I am a Mormon because I know that it is true. But I also have a lot of respect for the Catholic Church.
I am not too sure about that. As far as I am aware the CC has not made an official declaration to that effect.
That is okay by me!
And I love my Catholic friends too.I have some Mormen relatives and I love them all.
You are welcome to him for all I care. The poor guy doesn’t seem to have a lot of friends round here.
Well I went to a conference kast year Catholic and that is what we wer told. Even have a paper that stated all the Churches that aren’t reconnized.an d Morman was one of them. Doesn’t matter to me you are still my friend and God Bless you on your journey with Christ.:tiphat:I am a Mormon because I know that it is true. But I also have a lot of respect for the Catholic Church.
I am not too sure about that. As far as I am aware the CC has not made an official declaration to that effect.
That is okay by me!
And I love my Catholic friends too.
He has me and always will.
I don’t agree with everything you Church does or says, but I you are still my friend.I don’t know about that; but I am not aware of any official statement from the Catholic Church to that effect. If you know of one, perhaps you would be kind enough to share it with me.
I am on my way to Dinner before I go to Mass, so probably won’t get back to youbefore in the morning. If I can find my paper I will.
That’s really all you have to say for yourself?
Love is Patient“truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come” (D&C 93:24).