"The sufficiency of Grace" a continuation of "The sufficiency of Christ" family debate.

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Yes, I understand the question fully. I was simply pointing out to Adam that his attempted trickery was seen for exactly what it was.

I would say that his attempts at appologetics are indeed kindergarten at best. 😉
I do not doubt that you saw the question for what it was. I was answering 2nd Adam. There is no need for you to make clarifications to me.

God bless you
 
No, I do not believe in a 100% works based righteousness.

That is what you said in post 12 is it not?
I believe your understanding of Christianity and the gospel of God’s amazing grace is deficient brother! By divine providence, we are able to explore this issue together on Catholic Answers as siblings in Christ. 😃
 
So you too believe in the actual body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ in the Eucharist just like Paul and Augustine?
LOL… have you not read the Scriptures, especially 1 Cor 11?
 
Originally Posted by 2nd Adam
Do you agree with my post 12 above? My statement is either true or it is false. There is no middle ground gray answer. It is a black and white statement, requiring a simple yes or no.
Christianity is a work-based salvation only so far as it is understood that Christ has done the work. We, however, cannot work our way into heaven so, as it applies to us, it is not a work-based system.

God bless
You’re not playing by the rules of the game Roman Catholic brother! You have to answer yes or no to my question.

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What is your answer brother?
 
I believe your understanding of Christianity and the gospel of God’s amazing grace is deficient brother! By divine providence, we are able to explore this issue together on Catholic Answers as siblings in Christ. 😃
Your question was misleading and disengenuous. In other words, you did not ask what you really were wanting to know.

This response is even more disengenuous considering my reply to Roman Catholic.
 
You’re not playing by the rules of the game Roman Catholic brother! You have to answer yes or not to my question.
Meh I’ve been accused of far worse 2nd Adam. I answered your question. Maybe not in the manner as you would have liked, but my answer is my answer.

God bless you
 
Your question was misleading and disengenuous. In other words, you did not ask what you really were wanting to know.

This response is even more disengenuous considering my reply to Roman Catholic.
Roman Catholic is not playing by the rules of the game. Let’s put him in the doghouse for a few hours shall we? BTW… this is my thread, so I get to makeup the rules of the game. 🙂

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You’re in the doghouse for awhile ROMAN Catholic for breaking the rules of my game AND putting the word ROMAN in front of Catholic. 😃
 
Please check out this post from a Catholic college professor and let me know what you think about it. Here’s part of it to get your attention.

"But many Catholics to this day have not learned the Catholic and biblical doctrine. They think we are saved by good intentions or being nice or sincere or trying a little harder or doing a sufficient number of good deeds. Over the past twenty-five years I have asked hundreds of Catholic college students the question: If you should die tonight and God asks you why he should let you into heaven, what would you answer? The vast majority of them simply do not know the right answer to this, the most important of all questions, the very essence of Christianity. They usually do not even mention Jesus!
Until we Catholics know the foundation, Protestants are not going to listen to us when we try to teach them about the upper stories of the building. Perhaps God allows the Protestant/Catholic division to persist not only because Protestants have abandoned many precious truths taught by the Church but also because many Catholics have never been taught the most precious truth of all, that salvation is a free gift of grace, accepted by faith. I remember vividly the thrill of discovery when, as a young Protestant at Calvin College, I read Saint Thomas Aquinas and the Council of Trent on justification. I did not find what I had been told I would find, “another gospel” of do-it-yourself salvation by works, but a clear and forceful statement that we can do nothing without God’s grace, and that this grace, accepted by faith, is what saves us".

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0027.html

:banghead: Did you actually read this? He’s talking about the false doctrine of saved by works alone, which the Catholic Church very much rejects. This doesn’t mean saved by faith alone is correct.

For the 5 billionth time, it’s save by grace alone, with the necessary response of faith working through love. No one here has ever said, at least in any post I’ve read that we are saved by works alone!!! That doesnt’ mean we aren’t judged on the merits of our works, which is deomonstrated very clearly in the bible. The thing is, with out Faith you essentially don’t get a trail, you get Judged based upon your outright rejection of God to begin with. If you have the faith, then terrific!! You get a trail! Then God Judges you, based upon the merits of your works, and not the merits of your faith, which is where protestants have gone all wrong.
 
LOL… have you not read the Scriptures, especially 1 Cor 11?
1 COR 11
27Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.

Now, how about we look at John 6?
 
Meh I’ve been accused of far worse 2nd Adam. I answered your question. Maybe not in the manner as you would have liked, but my answer is my answer.

God bless you
Don’t worry, Catholic siblings are never in my perpetual doghouse. I will let you out in a few hours.
 
Roman Catholic is not playing by the rules of the game. Let’s put him in the doghouse for a few hours shall we? BTW… this is my thread, so I get to makeup the rules of the game. 🙂

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You’re in the doghouse for awhile ROMAN Catholic for breaking the rules of my game AND putting the word ROMAN in front of Catholic. 😃
Maybe all of us should refuse to post on 2ndAdam’s threads. That way he and Rocketman can PLAY together in their own little world.

BTW…I find it interesting that you make up your own rules when it comes to apologetic discussions much in the same way you make up your own rules when it comes to Bible interpretation! 😉
 
Can you show me the Scriputural evidence of such a question being asked?

Why don’t we look through the Bible for judgement accounts and see what basis we are judged upon?
We are judged by our works because they are the evidence of a true saving faith.

James 2:20, "…that faith without works is dead

Jesus said to her: I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live: And every one that liveth and believeth in me shall not die for ever. Believest thou this? She saith to him: Yea, Lord, I have believed that thou art Christ, the Son of the living God, who art come into this world.
 
1 COR 11
27Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.

Now, how about we look at John 6?
How long ago have you left Protestantism for the Catholic Faith? I think good old Johnny Mac taught you to not pull Scripture out of context, right? Try again if you want to. Didn’t Paul say something with the word “remembrance” in regards to the Eucharist?
 
Roman Catholic is not playing by the rules of the game. Let’s put him in the doghouse for a few hours shall we? BTW… this is my thread, so I get to makeup the rules of the game. 🙂

http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2255433/750838244d110eca15-main_Full.jpg

You’re in the doghouse for awhile ROMAN Catholic for breaking the rules of my game AND putting the word ROMAN in front of Catholic. 😃
Yea, I can live with that. The dog doesn’t look as if he asks loaded questions… And he looks lonely anyways. BTW, do you ever give your poor dog any attention? What are the statutes on animal cruelty in your location?

God bless you
 
Yea, I can live with that. The dog doesn’t look as if he asks loaded questions… And he looks lonely anyways. BTW, do you ever give your poor dog any attention? What are the statues on animal cruelty in your location?

God bless you
That’s not my dog in that old wretched doghouse! Izoid can tell you I own a Basset Hound. Check him out, he’s a Calvinist too!

http://www.lisisoft.com/imglisi/5/Screensavers/68480mybassethoundscreensaver.gif

I can do all things through him who strengthens me.
 
How long ago have you left Protestantism for the Catholic Faith? I think good old Johnny Mac taught you to not pull Scripture out of context, right? Try again if you want to. Didn’t Paul say something with the word “remembrance” in regards to the Eucharist?
It is certainly a remebrance. Evey time I participate in the Mass I remeber very clearly what Jesus did for me.

How does it being done in remebrance remove the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ?

What do you do with John 6?

How about the passover meal, was it necessary to EAT the lamb or could we just make lamb shaped cookies and eat them?
 
Thjanks for the new thread Adam and God Bless:thumbsup:
Hi sister, I’m glad you came to play on this thread! I know you have been blessed with grand-kids and great grandchildren. But I really want to know if you own a dog, and what kind?
 
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