The Suicide of the West

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A very interesting article. People sense that something is wrong. Fingers point in every direction. But I agree with this:
What then, is the matter with the west? The answer is beguilingly simple. We are growing older. In economic terms that means secular stagnation. Japan is greying faster than the rest — its economic growth has also been slower for longer than that of any other wealthy country. But it is a matter of degree. The greyer we become, the less we save. The less we save, the less we invest. The less we invest the slower we grow. Modern technology ought to provide the answer, we are living longer so we should be working longer. However, politics stands in the way.
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However, I suspect it goes much deeper than economics. The ‘clinical depression’ of the West is fundamentally spiritual. Economic depression is just the most obvious symptom of it.
 
Global aging in the West, and in the Orient, will be a problem. Traditionally, some will work and care for their aging parents. In the US, the only option might be putting them in a nursing home. The simple answer is not “the suicide of the West” but the outrageous lie that sex and pleasure are far more important than risking bringing a time and emotion draining child into the world. Single and adult? Get some dogs or cats, or engage in casual sex or shack up. This has been preached 24/7 for the last 40 years. Men and women, too often, have no idea how to interact with one another except for the parts that involve sex and money. As long as they are not abusing each other, they’ve swallowed the lies. And, in some cases, I don’t blame them entirely. Job one was to destroy the family. The lies have buried the truth in some cases.

The solution will be, speaking as a demographer, those in Western countries who have the highest birth rates will become the dominant force, unless they are poor. So, those who have children and the means to support them will be consumers of goods and services that drive growth. And growth is all that matters. The very wealthy have the research personnel to exploit any scenario.

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I don’t agree that the “greying of the West” is an economic problem. In fact Older people are probably the strongest economic group.

To say; “The greyer we become, the less we save.” Is true BECAUSE we have saved and now it’s time to spend a few $$$ or invest for the sake of our children and grandchildren.

Go on a cruise. Less than 20% of the passengers will be under 40. Take a vacation and stay at a high end resort…again the 50+ crowd is the majority. Even at Disneyland you will see more Grandparents with grandkids than parents with kids…because the parents can’t afford it.
 
I don’t agree that the “greying of the West” is an economic problem. In fact Older people are probably the strongest economic group.

To say; “The greyer we become, the less we save.” Is true BECAUSE we have saved and now it’s time to spend a few $$$ or invest for the sake of our children and grandchildren.

Go on a cruise. Less than 20% of the passengers will be under 40. Take a vacation and stay at a high end resort…again the 50+ crowd is the majority. Even at Disneyland you will see more Grandparents with grandkids than parents with kids…because the parents can’t afford it.
The “high end” is all that matters. The rest of us are encountering health problems as we age, and the related costs. We have no money to go on cruises. The money I’ve saved for retirement is for retirement. Those who have kids have all the grown kids working, with most just getting by. I can’t save. Not if I want to keep a car or house. I used to be able to save but thanks to age, I have to do without, which I’m fine with. The wealthy with health problems have the means to get top health coverage and go on cruises and so on.

The average guy took a big hit from the planned economic collapse of 2008. It was made so that we lost money and those who were “too big to fail” got bailed out by us. And more taxes are on the way. Those who ended up losing their jobs and homes? Forgotten. Only the high end matters but I’ve always known what to do and how to manage.

The World was attacked by people who believe ‘there’s no such thing as having too much money.’ But I trust and have faith because that has sustained me. Growth is all that matters. Financial opportunities are all that matters. The West will survive, regardless of the corruption.

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The article has no depth. It looks at the problem as simply economic, as if everything would be all right if only there was enough money flowing in the right places. I agree with the OP that the problem goes much deeper. I see it as a breakdown of cooperation. Here in the US, there is no sense of a common vision, no long-range plan, no teamwork. Instead the focus is on the wealth, pleasure, and pride of the individual.
 
However, I suspect it goes much deeper than economics. The ‘clinical depression’ of the West is fundamentally spiritual. Economic depression is just the most obvious symptom of it.
The real god worshipped by the Westerners is called Mammon. Followers of Mammon believe that one achieves happiness by collecting material riches; the more stuff one has, the more happy he is, thus, the pursuit of happiness means the pursuit of money. Because it’s money which allows a Westerner to engage in consumption. And it’s not just mere consumption; he quickly gets bored with things that he has, and desires new ones. And the new ones have to be somehow better than the old ones. The new car has to be bigger or faster; the new house has to be better or bigger; the new wife has to be younger and her breasts bigger. A Westerner’s appetite never ceases; the more he consumes, the more it grows.

It’s this ever-increasing indulgence that leads Westerners to spend money they don’t have (but hope to earn in the future) to purchase toys they don’t need; thus a Westerner needs usury to live. A Westerner goes to a church to worship God who forbade usury, with a credit card in his pocket. He listens to a priest telling him about a Son of God who drove out money lenders from the temple; while the Supreme Priest is a moneylender himself. What Westerner does on Sunday is a lip service to the true God; five days a week he works for money, listening to the priests of Mammon; and on the sixth day he worships Mammon by using his money to purchase stuff he doesn’t need.

But money is a distraction. Money is a purely virtual construct; you cannot eat it, you cannot build with it. The power of money is that it can buy you products (houses, cars, computers) and services (entertainment, tourism, sex, etc.). It’s the consumption of products and services that makes a Westerner happy, not money. And all products and services have one thing in common; there is a magic ingredient which is needed to make all of them; and that ingredient is called energy. Without energy, no products can be made, and no services rendered; no indulgence is possible. A Westerner needs energy to indulge even in such a basic pleasure as sex. One would expect that for sex, energy is not needed; all you need is a partner and a room. But that’s simply not true. For sex, a Westerner needs a heater or air conditioning in the room so that the temperature is comfortable; an airplane to bring the foreign lingerie for his partner; and a chemical factory which makes pills which temporarily cure his erectile dysfunction and render his partner infertile. Lack of any of these things would spoil the fun!

So, the Westerner’s true god is Mammon; his lifestyle is ever-increasing indulgence; and his most basic need is energy (also ever-increasing). Where does he take the energy from? He mines the land for black stuff, the remnants of ancient plants and animal; he then burns this stuff to get heat (energy) to power his lifestyle.

Yet! A wise one would ask this question; if the black stuff Westerner needs comes from ancient animals, then clearly its amount is finite; and if the Westerner consumes it at an ever-increasing pace, then he will sooner or later run out of the black stuff. Production of the black stuff will ultimately stop growing; it will stagnate, and then decline; so less and less things can be made. And who is a Westerner without his things? He’s nothing, for it is his things which define him. Wouldn’t the Westerner realize that his money is becoming worthless, buying him less stuff? Wouldn’t it make him unhappy?

Who can ask this question is a wise one; for this is exactly what has happened to the Westerner:

 
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The wise one then asks; if the energy available stopped increasing 40 years ago, how come that the Westerner had not yet realized the error of his ways? Clearly, he must see that his old way can continue no more. Why didn’t he yet give up his quest for things and riches, expel the priests of Mammon, and abandon usury as God ordained?

That’s also a wise question; and the wise one asks it, for being wise himself, he cannot comprehend the stupidity of the Westerner. At the time when the energy stopped increasing there was a leader of the Westerners who realized what is happening. He made a speech, and said that lack of the black stuff is the reason for the spiritual sickness; and that the Westerner should no longer rely on the black stuff to make him happy.

The priesthood of Mammon and the merchants of the black stuff would not have it. So they conspired with an enemy nation, and convinced Westerners to elect a new leader: a jester. And the jester told the Westerners that all the bad things are the fault of the previous leader. And that it’s not the leaders who should manage things, as they are stupid or corrupt or both; only the priests of Mammon are of pure spirit, for they follow greed, and greed is a supreme virtue.

And so, the Westerners ignored the last chance to enter the path of restraint and altruism, and they chose the path of selfishness and greed. And they believed the priests of Mammon who teach that it’s money which makes things, and money is infinite, because it can be created by them out of nothing; and so, there will be always new things, because there will always be new money. And they shouted down the people who said that it’s not the money which makes things, but the black stuff; and there will be no more things when there will be no more black stuff. But the priests of Mammon said that it will be always possible to find the black stuff as long as there is money; for it has always been so. And so, they gave the Westerners false hope for the continuation of their lifestyle; and the Westerners have entered the path to their own doom.

As the land of the Westerners had no more black stuff, they started traveling the world to find it. And wherever they went, they drilled the holes to suck out the black stuff. They drilled through the eternal ice in the cold lands; they drilled in the jungle; they drilled in the desert; they even drilled under the sea. And they drilled in other people’s lands, and these people hated them for it; so they started killing the Westerners. And Westerners hated them for this, and wars started, and a lot of evil was done. Ever further and deeper they drilled. More and more black stuff was being found. But they also had children, so there was more and more of them; and so, despite of all this effort there was still as much energy per one of them.

So the Westerners are now unhappy people; they know something is wrong, but don’t know what.

They think that money gives happiness, so they work like slaves to get money. They have more money then ever, but their money is worthless, because there is more money than products; and so they can’t have products they desire. So they take credit to buy products, but it means that they have to give even more money back to the bank, so at the end, they have to work even more.

They know that black stuff makes products, and they are using more black stuff then ever, but this is still not enough. So they drill, and mine, and drill again, and destroy the land to make products. They hate themselves for destroying the land, but they also need products. And the more they drill, the less there is. But they have to keep drilling, and to keep make products, because otherwise their debt will crush them.

And they believe that good times will return when there is more money, because the priests of Mammon told them so. So the priests of Mammon make more money, because they think that more money will make more products. But there cannot be more products, because there is no more black stuff; so the more money the priests of Mammon make, the less it is worth.

Two generations of Westerners have grown up, since the jester and the priests of Mammon gave them the false promise of eternal growth. Yet for two generations, there was no real growth; they work more and more, they drill more and more, they print more and more money, and they are still in the same place.

Westerner worshiped Mammon for over two hundred years; and Mammon was always delivering on his promises. Now, he stopped. Hence the spiritual crisis.

Will the Westerner finally abandon Mammon or rather slide into nihilism?
 
Quaint story, weller…but I wouldn’t read it to my grandchildren.
 
Don’t worry – it’s the story your grandchildren will be telling their grandchildren.

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I completely agree with everything in your posts above…I think ALOT of people are going to be in shock when Jesus does return, especially in the US, I have read alot of things that lead me to believe the US is modern day Babylon, if you read about this, there is literally no other nation currently on the planet that fits so perfectly with what we are told about modern day Babylon.

I think when the second coming happens, God will destroy the US within 3 days.

Weller2 is spot on, the west (US) worships MONEY…period…no amount is ever good enough, whether its people or private companies, they always want MORE and MORE. lol
 
What is happening is that as the family disintegrates it costs governments more money to keep society “civil”. The problem is the “state” can’t impart values on children.

This is even exacerbated in the modern age more than ever, especially in societies with well established social services as opposed to even 100 years ago when a disobedient and lazy youth would quickly learn that life “punches back” for those unwilling to work.

Possible the majority of youth in the West have gotten to the point where they have no qualms taking from the government. It is certainly clear that they view sex as a hobby and nothing more. As this worsens the West will bankrupt as the USSR has. China hasn’t failed only because of their historic work ethic ingrained in their society and their adaptation to some “free market” economics. Still, they have always been a poor country and it is possible one could be on social service and starve, unlike in the West. What will really be bad is when the number one client of China quits buying it’s goods, then things will have gotten really serious. I expect to see that within 40 years.
 
I completely agree with everything in your posts above…I think ALOT of people are going to be in shock when Jesus does return, especially in the US, I have read alot of things that lead me to believe the US is modern day Babylon, if you read about this, there is literally no other nation currently on the planet that fits so perfectly with what we are told about modern day Babylon.

I think when the second coming happens, God will destroy the US within 3 days.

Weller2 is spot on, the west (US) worships MONEY…period…no amount is ever good enough, whether its people or private companies, they always want MORE and MORE. lol
Perhaps you could point out any other nation that is as generous as the United States.
Maybe you could name another country that provides more foreign aid to the third world than the U.S.
Why should we expect to be in shock when Jesus returns…while other countries and cultures are beheading children who refuse to deny Christ???

Oh…BTW…there is no modern day Babylon.
 
Weller’s whine is an old one that has cropped up ever since the beginning of the industrial revolution. Yet, no other system of economic commerce has produced a fairer, freer, more prosperous life style then western capitalism in its various manifestations around the globe, at least where it has been practiced somewhat faithfully. I say this because I think 25,000 years ago we crawled out of the caves and nothing short of a cataclysm will send us back into them.

Reality check, the modern technological society is found and run on cheap energy. The cheapest and most readily available dependable and transportable energy is oil, gas and coal. Until a breakthrough occurs that makes these forms more expensive then alternate forms, be it either scarcity or ability to cheaply store electricity, life isn’t going to change.

The societal breakdown being lamented IMHO, comes not from energy extraction and use but in liberals believing the government is responsible for rearing and teaching morals and ethics to the next generation. A chore that has successfully been carried out by parents since before history and now it seems being abrogated by moderns who want to forget they owe God a reckoning at the end of their lives
 
Weller’s whine is an old one that has cropped up ever since the beginning of the industrial revolution. Yet, no other system of economic commerce has produced a fairer, freer, more prosperous life style then western capitalism in its various manifestations around the globe, at least where it has been practiced somewhat faithfully. I say this because I think 25,000 years ago we crawled out of the caves and nothing short of a cataclysm will send us back into them.

Reality check, the modern technological society is found and run on cheap energy. The cheapest and most readily available dependable and transportable energy is oil, gas and coal. Until a breakthrough occurs that makes these forms more expensive then alternate forms, be it either scarcity or ability to cheaply store electricity, life isn’t going to change.

The societal breakdown being lamented IMHO, comes not from energy extraction and use but in liberals believing the government is responsible for rearing and teaching morals and ethics to the next generation. A chore that has successfully been carried out by parents since before history and now it seems being abrogated by moderns who want to forget they owe God a reckoning at the end of their lives
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Yet, no other system of economic commerce has produced a fairer, freer, more prosperous life style then western capitalism in its various manifestations around the globe
And I completely agree with that!

That said, the entire spiritual basis of capitalism is more, more, more. If there is no more, because there is no more energy coming into the system, then the first thing you have is a prolonged recession, and the next thing you have a spiritual crisis. We’ve always believed in more, but there’s no more anymore, there’s less!
Reality check, the modern technological society is found and run on cheap energy.
Yes, and that’s precisely the problem, because the age of cheap energy is over.
The societal breakdown being lamented IMHO, comes not from energy extraction and use but in liberals believing the government is responsible for rearing and teaching morals and ethics to the next generation.
That’s connected. Here is a smart quote:
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Think of a society dependent upon one resource: its domestic oil. If the EROI for this oil was 1.1:1 then one could pump the oil out of the ground and look at it. If it were 1.2:1 you could also refine it and look at it, 1.3:1 also distribute it to where you want to use it but all you could do is look at it. Hall et al. 2008 examined the EROI required to actually run a truck and found that if the energy included was enough to build and maintain the truck and the roads and bridges required to use it, one would need at least a 3:1 EROI at the wellhead.
NB – Alberta tar sands have EROI of 3, so the operation is effectively running at break even, i.e. its net effect on the world economy is zero; all the energy produced is used for maintaining the infrastructure needed for the operation. OK, I digress. Continuing:
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Now if you wanted to put something in the truck, say some grain, and deliver it, that would require an EROI of, say, 5:1 to grow the grain. If you wanted to include depreciation on the oil field worker, the refinery worker, the truck driver and the farmer you would need an EROI of say 7 or 8:1 to support their families. If the children were to be educated you would need perhaps 9 or 10:1, have health care 12:1, have arts in their life maybe 14:1, and so on. Obviously to have a modern civilization one needs not simply surplus energy but lots of it, and that requires either a high EROI or a massive source of moderate EROI fuels.
There you have it. Liberals envisage a society where the state is responsible for education, healthcare and arts. But to pay for all these things, the state must have surplus after paying for basic needs (tax collectors, police, defense, etc.). It follows that the economy able to support such state must have energy surplus. Since average EROI is now around 10 (and falling), we have a situation where the economy is no longer able to pay for extravaganzas such as arts, healthcare and education for everyone.

So you have a system where families have ceded the responsibility to teach morals to children to the state; but the state can no longer effectively teach morals (or anything else), because it has no money to pay for schools and teachers are paid so badly that they are moonlighting as waiters, so schools become ineffective; and it has no money to pay for schools, because the underlying economy no longer has energy surplus. Of course the state could move money around to pay for schools at the expense of other things, i.e. cutting bureaucracy, but the point is that the entire system has been designed 50 years ago, on assumptions which no longer apply.

And that’s why everything in the Western civilization is failing; everything has been based on the availability of cheap energy, and there is no more cheap energy.
 
Yes, and that’s precisely the problem, because the age of cheap energy is over.
That is far from true.

The age of cheap energy will be over when it becomes too expensive for a homeowner to keep a nightlight on all night long.
 
That is far from true.

The age of cheap energy will be over when it becomes too expensive for a homeowner to keep a nightlight on all night long.
Nonsense. My nightlamp uses 20W, my heating uses 20kW. The night lamp is pretty inconsequential.

Also, if keeping a nightlamp on were to become unaffordable, then aluminum frying pans would have to become luxury items.

Hopefully it never comes to that.
 
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