The Talmud and Jesus

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RomanCrusader said:
The Talmud is a satanic book, even worse than the Koran. At least the Koran acknowedges Mary was a Virgin and speaks of Lord Jesus in a respectable manner. The vile Talmud does no such thing.

No wonder the Medieval Church opposed the evil Talmud so much! The Talmud is a satanic lie that is an insult to God. It is even more offensive than Da Vinci Code. The spirit of satan is in the pages of the Talmud.
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I study Talmud once a week for two hours. Although I occasssionaly wake up irritated some mornings, I’ve yet to grow horns.
 
Valke2 said:
I study Talmud once a week for two hours. Although I occasssionaly wake up irritated some mornings, I’ve yet to grow horns.
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Valke, your charity in the face of such abuse is a credit to you, and a standard we should all aspire to.
 
I’m not criticizing Valke, I’m criticizing the demonic and twisted book known as the Talmud.

The Talmud is an evil book that:
  1. Calls Jesus a “wizard”
  2. Calls Mary a prostitute (and so denies virgin birth)
  3. Denies the Ressurection
  4. Says Jesus was a heretic
  5. Calls Christians evil
  6. Calls all gentiles inferior
Valke has posted this blasphempus satanic lie of a book on a Catholic forum and it should not be tolerated. No offense to our friend Valke, but we do not need Talmundic lies here.

The Talmud belongs in the fire!
 
RomanCrusader-

You lack perspective. Don’t you see that learning about such things will help us understand our Jewish friends? Do you really think they’ll listen to you when you suggest you toss it in the fire? Personally, I want to learn as much about why Judaism rejects Jesus as the Messiah as I can, because in that way I believe I will be able to better witness to them, as I will have at least some idea of where their objections are coming from!
 
Also atheists, Marxists and Hindus are not actively trying to convert us.

I see your point here, but I hope the Jewish people don’t feel “singled out” for our witnessing campaigns. After all, we Christians would like for EVERYBODY to come to Christ, not only the Jewish people.

And if we didn’t try to bring Jesus Christ to the Jews,
it would mean that we hated your guts.

God bless,
Jaypeeto3 (aka Jaypeeto4)
 
Atreyu said:
Valke, your charity in the face of such abuse is a credit to you, and a standard we should all aspire to.
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doh! now I can’t backslide and respond in kind! Thank you for the kind words. 🙂
 
Saint Louis IX ordered satanic Talmuds burned!

Pope Julius III, Pope Paul IV, Pope Martin V, Pope Gregory XIII, Pope Clemet VIII, Pope Innocent IV, St. Pope Gregory IX, Pope Sixtus V, etc. burned all the satanic Talmuds in their territory!

The Church agreed that the Talmud was (and is!) an evil, satanic book.

Jews are good, nice people. Its a shame that the evil Talmud has found a place with them.
 
Can I pick up the Talmud anywhere? It’d be nice to put a copy on my shelf and read through it now and then. 😉

Crusader, calm the heck down. :eek:

Anywho…I’m genuinely interested here. How old is the Talmud and what revisions were made to it and when? What weight does such a Rabbinical text hold when compared with the Holy Tanach?

I found this on Wikipedia:
Despite the numerous mentions of Edom which may refer to Christendom, the Talmud makes little mention of Jesus directly or the early Christians. There are a number of quotes about individuals named Yeshu that once existed in editions of the Talmud; these quotes were long ago removed from the main text due to accusations that they referred to Jesus, and are no longer used in Talmud study. However, these removed quotes were preserved through rare printings of lists of errata, known as Hashmatot Hashass (“Omissions of the Talmud”). Some modern editions of the Talmud contain some or all of this material, either at the back of the book, in the margin, or in alternate print. These passages do not necessarily refer to a single individual and many of the stories are far removed from anything written in the New Testament. Many scholars are convinced that these people cannot be identified as the Christian Jesus.
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Shalom/Pace,
 
RomanCrusader said:
Saint Louis IX ordered satanic Talmuds burned!

Pope Julius III, Pope Paul IV, Pope Martin V, Pope Gregory XIII, Pope Clemet VIII, Pope Innocent IV, St. Pope Gregory IX, Pope Sixtus V, etc. burned all the satanic Talmuds in their territory!

The Church agreed that the Talmud was (and is!) an evil, satanic book.

Jews are good, nice people. Its a shame that the evil Talmud has found a place with them.
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Yes, the buring of Talmuds was one of the low points for the Catholic Church. Many christians are good, nice people. It is a shame that they don’t take the time to get back to their roots and study Talmud.
 
havemercy said:
Can I pick up the Talmud anywhere? It’d be nice to put a copy on my shelf and read through it now and then. 😉

Crusader, calm the heck down. :eek:

Anywho…I’m genuinely interested here. How old is the Talmud and what revisions were made to it and when? What weight does such a Rabbinical text hold when compared with the Holy Tanach?

I found this on Wikipedia:

Shalom/Pace,
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It’s like an encyclopedia. You can pick up volumes easily on Amazon. The Steinsaltz edition is a good english translation.
It holds equal weight with the Tanakh, as far as importance to Judaism.

The Talmud consists of the Mishna, Gemara and other commentaries. The Mishna was written down about 200-400 CE and the the Gemara (which is commentary on the Mishna) about 400 years later (if I remember correctly). The Mishna is what was considered the Oral Torah, that was given with the written Torah to Moses and passed on from generation to generation.

The reason it was oral, I believe, is that it was supposed to remain more flexible and dynamic than words committed to parchment. If you read a page of Talmud you see it is really a long discussion between different rabbis at different times. Not too dissimilar to how AMerican Case Law is set forth in the US.
 
Valke2 said:
Yes, the buring of Talmuds was one of the low points for the Catholic Church. Many christians are good, nice people. It is a shame that they don’t take the time to get back to their roots and study Talmud.
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I wouldn’t agree that the Talmud is a component of the roots of Catholicism. However, I feel that it is important for us to study it, for perspective.
 
Atreyu said:
I wouldn’t agree that the Talmud is a component of the roots of Catholicism. However, I feel that it is important for us to study it, for perspective.
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If you are going to say that Jesus was a learned Jew or a rabbi, then it follows that he studied the oral torah, which is the basis of Talmud.
 
Well I hope this doesn’t come across as too strong a statement and I don’t want to say the entire Talmud is evil (since I never have read it and don’t know what all it covers) but the verses the blaspheme Jesus and dishonor Mary clearly are pure evil. I Had an amazing feeling of evil overcome me even just seeing it on this thread hard to describe but very real.

I also began to think that we may indeed have more common ground with the Muslims who at least acknowledge that Jesus was a prophet and Mary was a good woman than anyone who believes what this says. Evil is evil and to say otherwise just to build understanding or try to learn doesn’t make it the truth.
That being said nothing against the person who posted it only those that wrote it to begin with and prayers for those who may believe it.

May God be Praised
 
The portion of the Talmud that discusses Jesus’ death is less concerned with Jesus then it is with the issue of capital punishment. Jesus enticed the people into apotasy. Under Jewish law, one who did that would normally not be permitted the 40 day period in which to have others present evidence on his behalf. An exception was apparently made for Jesus. Perhaps because he had friends in high places (in the Roman gov’t). What is interesting is that the Talmud, while it charges Jesus with inciting apostasy and practicing socerey, does not allege that Jesus proclaimed himself to be the Messiah.
 
I am curious now what does the Talmud say about the Apostles? Why would they continue on if not for a ressurrection? Why not start their own thing and say they are the one instead of it being Jesus? Why die for it?
 
mtk76 said:
Well I hope this doesn’t come across as too strong a statement and I don’t want to say the entire Talmud is evil (since I never have read it and don’t know what all it covers) but the verses the blaspheme Jesus and dishonor Mary clearly are pure evil. I Had an amazing feeling of evil overcome me even just seeing it on this thread hard to describe but very real.

I also began to think that we may indeed have more common ground with the Muslims who at least acknowledge that Jesus was a prophet and Mary was a good woman than anyone who believes what this says. Evil is evil and to say otherwise just to build understanding or try to learn doesn’t make it the truth.
That being said nothing against the person who posted it only those that wrote it to begin with and prayers for those who may believe it.

May God be Praised
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Not so - the Muslims have a completely different idea of the one true God. Sure the idea of the Trinity is hard for Jews to understand, but at least they acknowledge that God is reasonable. Muslims say that God transcends reason, and for this reason, I say that they are much more different to Catholicism than are the Jews. Secondly, the Catholic Church is the New Israel, and so we’ve inherited (and I’m sure Valke will deny this, but I am presenting our perspective) so much of Judaism that is utterly alien to Islam.

Judaism is much closer to Catholicism than is Islam.
 
Valke2 said:
The portion of the Talmud that discusses Jesus’ death is less concerned with Jesus then it is with the issue of capital punishment. Jesus enticed the people into apotasy. Under Jewish law, one who did that would normally not be permitted the 40 day period in which to have others present evidence on his behalf. An exception was apparently made for Jesus. Perhaps because he had friends in high places (in the Roman gov’t). What is interesting is that the Talmud, while it charges Jesus with inciting apostasy and practicing socerey, does not allege that Jesus proclaimed himself to be the Messiah.
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Jesus did not support apostasy, rather the evil mob did when they crucified Him!

And to say Jesus had “friends in the Roman government” is absurd! The Romans executed Jesus at the request of the Jewish authorities. Then the Romans persecuted Christians for 250 years. Obviously Jesus was not friends with the Roman government.

And the satanic Talmud obviously makes no mention of Jesus being Messaih. If it did then it would be hinting at the truth. Rather it spreads the devils word and attacks Jesus and denies His redeeming act.

Talmud is evil!:tsktsk:
 
RomanCrusader said:
Jesus did not support apostasy, rather the evil mob did when they crucified Him!

And to say Jesus had “friends in the Roman government” is absurd! The Romans executed Jesus at the request of the Jewish authorities. Then the Romans persecuted Christians for 250 years. Obviously Jesus was not friends with the Roman government.

And the satanic Talmud obviously makes no mention of Jesus being Messaih. If it did then it would be hinting at the truth. Rather it spreads the devils word and attacks Jesus and denies His redeeming act.

Talmud is evil!:tsktsk:
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Acts as Valke
You’re so right! I’ve seen the error of my ways! To think that all this time I was so stupid as to believe in that evil Talmud!
Act over

Like I said RC, you lack perspective. Calling someone’s holy tradition evil is hardly going to make them see the error of their ways. Why not engage in that tradition and try to show exactly why it is “evil” as you call it? I will admit that something is evil inasmuch as it may disagree with the Truth as revealed by Christ, but I think it is utterly useless to go around calling things evil in this way.

When you run from the argument as you are doing, you lose credibility.
 
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