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Was the teaching of OSAS a teaching of Calvin,Luther or Zwingli or was it from another person,Can some one help me with the name of that person that gets credit for this teaching.
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John Calvin appears to be the first among these men who clearly taught that those predestined to grace are necessarily predestined to eternal glory.Was the teaching of OSAS a teaching of Calvin,Luther or Zwingli or was it from another person,Can some one help me with the name of that person that gets credit for this teaching.
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Catholic Encyclopedia - Predestinarianism
Lucidus retracted his defense, in compliance with the order from Faustus, Bishop of Riez. Within a half century, the Predestinarian heresy completely died out, since the Second Synod of Orange (529) solemnly condemns this heresy.
The controversy was not renewed till the ninth century when a monk named Gottschalk of Orbais, appealing to St. Augustine, asserted heretical interpretations of St. Augustine’s doctrine. Gottschalk’s teachings were condemned by the Synod of Quierzy (849). This affirmed the teaching, “generally characterized on the one hand by the repudiation of positive reprobation for hell and of predestination for sin, on the other by the assertion of Divine predestination of the elect for heaven and the cooperation of free will.” (ibid)
The reformation more or less revived the heresy of Lucidus of the 5th Century.
This 5th century heresy sounds strangely Calvinistic to me.In its harshest form, heretical Predestinarianism was defended by Lucidus, a priest of Gaul in the mid-fifth century. According to his view God positively and absolutely predestined some to eternal death and others to eternal life, in such a manner that the latter have not to do anything to secure their eternal salvation, since Divine grace of itself carries them on to their destiny. As the non-elect are destined for hell, Christ did not die for them…
Lucidus retracted his defense, in compliance with the order from Faustus, Bishop of Riez. Within a half century, the Predestinarian heresy completely died out, since the Second Synod of Orange (529) solemnly condemns this heresy.
The controversy was not renewed till the ninth century when a monk named Gottschalk of Orbais, appealing to St. Augustine, asserted heretical interpretations of St. Augustine’s doctrine. Gottschalk’s teachings were condemned by the Synod of Quierzy (849). This affirmed the teaching, “generally characterized on the one hand by the repudiation of positive reprobation for hell and of predestination for sin, on the other by the assertion of Divine predestination of the elect for heaven and the cooperation of free will.” (ibid)
The reformation more or less revived the heresy of Lucidus of the 5th Century.
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It wasn’t Luther, but that’s all I can tell ya.
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It was taught by Calvin.
It was taught before Calvin by Martin Bucer (about whom I wrote my dissertation).
I have not encountered it in Zwingli’s writings, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there–I don’t claim to be exhaustively familiar with Zwingli.
Based on my reading, it is possible that Bucer should get the “credit.” But I would not rule Zwingli out at this point. The early Reformed theologians all influenced each other, and they shared most of their ideas. I would tend to assume that if Bucer taught it (which he definitely did) others (before Calvin) did as well. Or perhaps Calvin just got it from Bucer.
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It was not taught by Luther.Was the teaching of OSAS a teaching of Calvin,Luther or Zwingli or was it from another person,Can some one help me with the name of that person that gets credit for this teaching.
It was taught by Calvin.
It was taught before Calvin by Martin Bucer (about whom I wrote my dissertation).
I have not encountered it in Zwingli’s writings, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there–I don’t claim to be exhaustively familiar with Zwingli.
Based on my reading, it is possible that Bucer should get the “credit.” But I would not rule Zwingli out at this point. The early Reformed theologians all influenced each other, and they shared most of their ideas. I would tend to assume that if Bucer taught it (which he definitely did) others (before Calvin) did as well. Or perhaps Calvin just got it from Bucer.
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Calvin.Was the teaching of OSAS a teaching of Calvin,Luther or Zwingli or was it from another person,Can some one help me with the name of that person that gets credit for this teaching.
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