The teal Ruthenian pew book

[ciero]

That’s awful …

(*please note, I don’t think the devotions themselves are awful - they’re just fine in the context of a Latin Rite parish! but they should NOT be part of a Ruthenian parish!! )

Have you contacted your bishop about this?

From a few things he has posted I believe you and he share the same bishop. It seems he is from OLPH in NM.

 

[theistgal]

From a few things he has posted I believe you and he share the same bishop. It seems he is from OLPH in NM.

Hmm, well, if he’s the same bishop then he’s the one who inspired my Gilligan’s Island Cherubic Hymn … so perhaps no surprises here!!

 

[ElToro]

That’s awful …

(*please note, I don’t think the devotions themselves are awful - they’re just fine in the context of a Latin Rite parish! but they should NOT be part of a Ruthenian parish!! )

Have you contacted your bishop about this?

Not so quick! It gets complicated. Back in the old days under Bp. Elko in the USA, a great many “latinizations” and oddball stuff was implemented. What they do here on First Fridays has roots going back to the Elko days. When many Latinizations/oddball stuff were cleaned-up this one was not. Most just ignore it and don’t attend. Some (the EF Massers in exile) love it while others hate it and have complained to the eparchy – to no avail.

 

[ElToro]

Seriously?

Yes. I went to a Friday night DL once. Father took some of the Blessed Sacrament (under the species of cubed bread) and placed it in a gold chalice – a Western one, not a big Byzantine one. He veiled the chalice with gold cloth (it hung about halfway down the chalice) and then fitted a tiny golden crown with jewels over the top of the chalice and the veil. He then placed the chalice on the antimension and a Rosary began. He sorta retreated but returned at the end of the Rosary.

 

[Ignatius]

Now now, you’re talking about a sacred book here! :tsktsk:

At least it’s sacred to me!

I know there are a lot of more proper liturgists that don’t like this revised version of the D.L. but, after all, my first encounter with the Divine Liturgy was only a few short years ago, so this is the one I know almost by heart.

Sometimes I even sing through the various responses while I’m out driving in my car. My fellow motorists must wonder sometimes what radio station I’m listening to.

I used to listen to the “Byzantine Catholic Prayer and Daily Scripture Reading” from St. Lukes in Missouri (stlukesbyzantine.blogspot.com/). It was wonderful. It stopped for some reason in 2009 but the old podcasts are still on the site. Is anyone familiar with this and why it stopped?

 

[WetCatechumen]

From a few things he has posted I believe you and he share the same bishop. It seems he is from OLPH in NM.

I am from OLPH. Are you referring to me or ElToro?

I serve at the altar in the First Friday liturgies and we never pray the rosary (we do before Liturgy on Sunday - tonight I had an argument with a Roman friend of mine who attends the parish about that. I am not in favor of it - let’s do matins instead!). I’ve also never seen Eucharistic Adoration similar to how the Latins do it.

Honestly, though, I don’t think it would be wrong to introduce a Byzantine style Eucharistic Adoration - in the future, when the Byzantine churches are stronger liturgically and less Latinized. Right now, I don’t think it’s appropriate - but it’s not my decision.

I was obviously kidding about the EF Mass and the rosary - perusing this forum makes me realize how ignorant many Catholics are of the Eastern churches. I guess being so involved in the Ruthenian parish and the Maronite mission and having so many young Catholic friends involved there makes me forget.

 

[Phillip_Rolfes]

I am from OLPH. Are you referring to me or ElToro?

I serve at the altar in the First Friday liturgies and we never pray the rosary (we do before Liturgy on Sunday - tonight I had an argument with a Roman friend of mine who attends the parish about that. I am not in favor of it - let’s do matins instead!). I’ve also never seen Eucharistic Adoration similar to how the Latins do it.

Honestly, though, I don’t think it would be wrong to introduce a Byzantine style Eucharistic Adoration - in the future, when the Byzantine churches are stronger liturgically and less Latinized. Right now, I don’t think it’s appropriate - but it’s not my decision.

I was obviously kidding about the EF Mass and the rosary - perusing this forum makes me realize how ignorant many Catholics are of the Eastern churches. I guess being so involved in the Ruthenian parish and the Maronite mission and having so many young Catholic friends involved there makes me forget.

Are you from OLPH in Albequerque? I’m a friend of Fr. Chris Zugger. Actually, the bookstore there added a bunch of prayer ropes that I made about a year ago!

 

[WetCatechumen]

Are you from OLPH in Albequerque? I’m a friend of Fr. Chris Zugger. Actually, the bookstore there added a bunch of prayer ropes that I made about a year ago!

Yes! Fr. Chris is awesome. Very intelligent and knowledgeable. I ask all who read this post to pray for his healing.

That’s awesome! Which ones did you make? I bought a 33 knot one (it was actually from the local Greek Orthodox Church but the Russian lady who runs that stores buys everything in bulk from our store so the money all made it home. ).

 

[ciero]

Yes. I went to a Friday night DL once. Father took some of the Blessed Sacrament (under the species of cubed bread) and placed it in a gold chalice – a Western one, not a big Byzantine one. He veiled the chalice with gold cloth (it hung about halfway down the chalice) and then fitted a tiny golden crown with jewels over the top of the chalice and the veil. He then placed the chalice on the antimension and a Rosary began. He sorta retreated but returned at the end of the Rosary.

Disgusting!!!

 

[ElToro]

I am from OLPH. Are you referring to me or ElToro?

I serve at the altar in the First Friday liturgies and we never pray the rosary (we do before Liturgy on Sunday - tonight I had an argument with a Roman friend of mine who attends the parish about that. I am not in favor of it - let’s do matins instead!). I’ve also never seen Eucharistic Adoration similar to how the Latins do it.

Honestly, though, I don’t think it would be wrong to introduce a Byzantine style Eucharistic Adoration - in the future, when the Byzantine churches are stronger liturgically and less Latinized. Right now, I don’t think it’s appropriate - but it’s not my decision.

I was obviously kidding about the EF Mass and the rosary - perusing this forum makes me realize how ignorant many Catholics are of the Eastern churches. I guess being so involved in the Ruthenian parish and the Maronite mission and having so many young Catholic friends involved there makes me forget.

We started Matens before Sunday DL not too long ago. I’m not sure if they Rosary sayers get their earlier now or if it has supplanted it.

 

[ElToro]

Disgusting!!!

So YOU say. What I do know is the practice has been around for more than 50 years and it is not prohibited by the Metropolitan.

It certainly isn’t my favorite – so I don’t attend, but I would hardly call ANTHING “disgusting” that caused 50-60 people to be exposed to the Blessed Sacrament while they prayed for 45 minutes in a very reverent and beautiful setting.

 

[ciero]

So YOU say. What I do know is the practice has been around for more than 50 years and it is not prohibited by the Metropolitan.

It certainly isn’t my favorite – so I don’t attend, but I would hardly call ANTHING “disgusting” that caused 50-60 people to be exposed to the Blessed Sacrament while they prayed for 45 minutes in a very reverent and beautiful setting.

Why not get 50-60 people together to pray according to the liturgical practice of the church where they are getting together? Why are we Eastern Catholics all to willing to get together to pray according to someone elses tradition, are we ashamed of our own? That is what I find disgusting. And why is the priest allowing it? Does he prefer someone elses tradition too? What I don’t get is why people just dot go to the Latins for Latin devotions if they love em so much?

 

[dvdjs]

Disgusting!!!

Disgusted by reverence for the body and blood of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ. Whatever it is you are selling, I’m not buying.

 

[Vico]

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[SVP]

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I don’t know if I would go to that extreme.

I wish they had provided a proper table of contents or a proper index to facilitate finding particular pages.

There are a number of typos that should have been corrected before publication.

I will generally stay away from comment/criticism of the “teal” Ruthenian pew book in part because of my awareness of the revisions and such well before the publication and promulgation.

There is much good in the book and some issues. I’ll leave it at that for now.

 

[theistgal]

Disgusted by reverence for the body and blood of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ. Whatever it is you are selling, I’m not buying.

While “disgusting” is an extreme word which I would not have used, it is not really proper to pray the Rosary in the context of any kind of Eastern liturgy. An Akathist to Our Lady would have been more appropriate.

 

[Formosus]

While “disgusting” is an extreme word which I would not have used, it is not really proper to pray the Rosary in the context of any kind of Eastern liturgy. An Akathist to Our Lady would have been more appropriate.

I have a feeling that the term “disgusting” was describing the eucharistic adoration in a ruthenian parish…

I think its a bit extreme to say any beneficial spiritual practice is disgusting, even if its not the correct practice for the situation. In any event, I’ve given my two cents and now I’m backing out as I have little experience with the rdl or internal ruthenian affairs.

 

[Diakonia]

Disgusting!!!

Ciero,

While I understand the point of view that you were expressing, it was very, very poor choice of phrasing.

 

[Apotheoun]

Why not get 50-60 people together to pray according to the liturgical practice of the church where they are getting together? Why are we Eastern Catholics all to willing to get together to pray according to someone elses tradition, are we ashamed of our own? That is what I find disgusting. And why is the priest allowing it? Does he prefer someone elses tradition too? What I don’t get is why people just dot go to the Latins for Latin devotions if they love em so much?

It is sad.

The general Latinized status of the Ruthenian Church is why I left it and became Melkite.

 

[Apotheoun]

Disgusted by reverence for the body and blood of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ. Whatever it is you are selling, I’m not buying.

Reverence for the Lord isn’t disgusting, but the introduction of Latin rituals into the Byzantine Church is!

Latinization will be the death of the Byzantine Catholic Churches.

P.S. - If a person wants to attend a Latin ritual (e.g., exposition and benediction of the sacrament) he should go to a Latin Catholic parish. No one is stopping people from doing that.