The ten commandments according to all judeo-christians

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One of the main arguments against Catholics is that they changed the ten commandments but there are technically 12 commandments but we count certain things as say one commandment, because we didn’t know which commandment it belongs to so technically all are true I guess.
 
It seems like we should have them numbered the same way as Judaism. I’m sure there is a good reason we don’t, but I don’t know what it is.
 
I don’t know if the image is exact with the difference between the Catholic and Jews but it basically shows how all the commandments are just counted differently
 
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There are two different lists in scripture and they are slightly different: Exodus 20 (2-17) and Deuteronomy 5 (6-17). The Catholic Church splits the covet commandment into two, rather than leaving them together as in the Talmud, using the word order of Deuteronomy. Catholic follows the Talmud not the Septuagint.
 
What does the single asterisk in the chart heading “Jewish (Talmudic)*” mean? It appears to be a footnote marker but the footnote itself is missing in the original post. I ask because similar online comparison charts, such as here, here and here, give a different Jewish (Talmudic) division. Rather than the Jewish (Talmudic) division, the chart in the original post seems to give the Philonic division.

The Wikipedia article, “Ten Commandments,” gives a different Jewish (Talmudic) division (in terms of the articles used in the chart in the original post):
  1. I am the Lord your God.
  2. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol.
  3. Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.
  4. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
  5. Honor your father and mother.
  6. You shall not kill/murder.
  7. You shall not commit adultery.
  8. You shall not steal.
  9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
  10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor.
The Jewish websites Judaism 101 and Chabad also give this (Wikipedia) division of the “Ten Commandments.”

The Jewish Encyclopedia article, “Decalogue,” refers to this (Wikipedia) division as “the traditional Jewish system,” although other Jewish divisions are mentioned:
Differences obtain also in regard to the numbering of the various commandments. The traditional Jewish system makes Ex. xx. 2 the first “word,” and verses 3-6 are regarded as one; viz., the second (Mak. 24a; Mek., ed. Friedmann, p. 70b, Vienna, 1870; Pesiḳ. R., ed. Friedmann, p. 106b, ib. 1880). This arrangement is found also in the Codex Vaticanus of the LXX. and in the Deuteronomy of Ambrosianus. Still R. Ishma’el counts verse 3 as the first “word” (Sifre to Num. xv. 31; ed. Friedmann, p. 33a, Vienna, 1864). Philo and Josephus count verse 3 as commandment i; verses 4-6 as ii.; verse 7 as iii.; verses 8-11 as iv.; verse 12 as v.; verse 13 as vi.; verse 14 as vii.; verse 15 as viii.; verse 16 as ix.; and verse 17 as x.
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That logic is what led to the protestant bibles.

Church and the Jews definitively approved of what books and translations were canon at around the same time, and followed different ancient translations/text, I think. So it’d be a bad idea to look at the Jews and decide to copy them.
 
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JosiahOaklin1776 said:
One of the main arguments against Catholics is that they changed the ten commandments but there are technically 12 commandments but we count certain things as say one commandment, because we didn’t know which commandment it belongs to so technically all are true I guess.
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There are over 600. Keep researching.
 
umamibella said:
There are over 600. Keep researching.
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To be fair, the traditional number does include a fair number that are inapplicable in the absence of the Temple. Not only that but observing them also depends on one’s gender.
 
From time to time we see a phrase such as “the seventh commandment,” giving no further explanation, and unless it’s clear from the context, the only way to find out which commandment is meant would be by finding out the writer’s religion. That’s usually more trouble than it’s worth.
 
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It’s splitting hairs. Some anti-Catholics will search far and wide for any supposed support for bashing Catholicism.
 
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umamibella:
There are over 600. Keep researching.
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To be fair, the traditional number does include a fair number that are inapplicable in the absence of the Temple. Not only that but observing them also depends on one’s gender.
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I recall that about 1/3 of the 613 Mitzvot pertain to Temple.
 
Lutherans number them just like Catholics…

Also, the Bible itself does not number them, but does say there are 10.
 
The ordering given in your table for Judaism is incorrect.

We know the original numbering intended by Moses, because the Shema (also written by Moses) contains embedded within it the proper numbering of the Commandments. As was explained in the Zohar:
When Rabbi Shimon came he said, Surely the Ten Commandments are indicated in the passage of the Sh’ma reading, as has been explained. It is surely so. “And these words” [Deuteronomy 6:6] are the essence of the Ten Commandments. Hence there are ten commandments here that correspond to the Ten Commandments in the Torah. They are, “and you shall teach them diligently to your children (1), and shall talk of them (2), when you sit in your house (3), and when you walk by the way (4), and when you lie down (5), and when you rise up (6). And you shall bind them for a sign upon your arm (7), and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes (8). And you shall write them upon the doorposts of your house (9), and on your gates (10)” [Deuteronomy 6:7-9]. So here are ten that correspond to the Ten Commandments. Therefore these passages are a great rule in the Torah. Happy is the portion of he who recites them fully twice a day, since the Holy Name is properly sanctified by his mouth.
– Zohar, Vaetchanan, 154
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So the Bible does number them, and there is the numbering, hidden within the Shema. And that numbering corresponds to the rightmost column in your table, the one associated with Roman Catholics and Lutherans.
 
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When Rabbi Shimon came he said . . . .
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Just a word of caution, Rabbinic commentary like this is just part of the “on the one hand . . . . , meanwhile on the other hand . . . . . , while on another hand entirely . . . . .” way in which Judaism ‘works’.
 
umamibella said:
There are over 600. Keep researching.
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Overall, yes.

But from the context, @JosiahOaklin1776 was clearly referring to the different pieces of the ten.
Kaninchen said:
Just a word of caution, Rabbinic commentary like this is just part of the “on the one hand . . . . , meanwhile on the other hand . . . . . , while on another hand entirely . . . . .” way in which Judaism ‘works’.
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So you’re saying that rabbis were the first economists?

:crazy_face: 🤣

President Truman stated that he wanted a one-handed economist for this reason . . .

hawk, displaced economics professor with as many hands as the situation requires
 
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