The Third Secret of Fatima?

[aurora77]

I just finished a book that implied the Third Secret said that homosexuality was OK, abortion and ABC are OK, priests should be married, and women should be priests. Whew! I knew when I picked it up, I’d be in for a treat, but little did I know! Nuts!! It was good for a laugh, but I worry about those gullible enough to believe such things!

 

[deekod1967]

amor:

Read the thread. John Paul never said what ByzCath attributed to him.

Amor - I’ve read the thread - but I’m still uncertain what exactly the point is that you are trying to make.

Are you proposing JP2 never had the opportunity to change the Church’s story on fatima as we know it today? I cannot see how that is possible - but I am interested to hear your theory.

I’m just curious about what you are trying to say.

Thanks,

DD

 

[jdnation]

ByzCath:

It is a privite revelation. Does not matter if it was made public. This makeing it public does not make it a public revelation.

Per the Catechism.

There will be no further Revelation

66 "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ."28 Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church. Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.

Nothing of Fatima can be considered part of the deposit of the faith. Faithful Catholics do not have to believe anything about Fatima. It is a private revelation. Does not matter if there was a miracle or not.

You are right that nothing there is part of the deposit of faith, nor was there anything to surpass the revelation of teh Church. It was however a prophecy to be revealed (something no different than anything you’d find in Revelation) and the consecration of Russia was always conditional and never had to be followed, so if we don’t follow it, then things will go as planned… just makes it that much harder that’s all…

 

[jdnation]

deekod1967:

Face it - the 1984 Consecration was valid - thats why the Berlin wall came down -and now Christians can worship openly in Russia. But we still need to make the 1st 5 Saturdays and offer up prayer and penance for the reconciliation of the Russian Orthodox and Catholic Churches, only then will we see the fulfilment the prophetic vision of Fatima.

DD

Sure Christians can worship openly in Russia… too bad they rarely ever do… might have been just as well they weren’t allowed to do so, then we could’ve felt safe to imagine that many secretly did (not to say there aren’t Catholics worshipping in RUssia, but the number is extremely low). If I remember correctly, it is noted that Russia and the Russian Church were the only ones not present at Pope John Paul II’s funeral. Communismm fell, but the errors of Communism have spread all of the world… feminism, gay rights and so called equality, attacks against organized religion as hate crimes etc. etc., all descended from tenets of the Communist Manifesto are all over the world and thrive in our free and democratic societies. This was the real concern of Our Lady. All we can do now is pray.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

jdnation:

You are right that nothing there is part of the deposit of faith, nor was there anything to surpass the revelation of teh Church. It was however a prophecy to be revealed (something no different than anything you’d find in Revelation) and the consecration of Russia was always conditional and never had to be followed, so if we don’t follow it, then things will go as planned… just makes it that much harder that’s all…

That is only if you believe in the message of Fatima. As we are not required to believe it then that does not mean that we have to believe in the private prophecy given there nor do we have to believe that the consecration of Russia needed to be done.

Now if we do believe it, I have yet to see anything concret that shows that the consecration as done, was not proper.

After all, I think the fall of Communism is proof enough.

 

[deekod1967]

jdnation:

Sure Christians can worship openly in Russia… too bad they rarely ever do… might have been just as well they weren’t allowed to do so, then we could’ve felt safe to imagine that many secretly did (not to say there aren’t Catholics worshipping in RUssia, but the number is extremely low). If I remember correctly, it is noted that Russia and the Russian Church were the only ones not present at Pope John Paul II’s funeral. Communismm fell, but the errors of Communism have spread all of the world… feminism, gay rights and so called equality, attacks against organized religion as hate crimes etc. etc., all descended from tenets of the Communist Manifesto are all over the world and thrive in our free and democratic societies. This was the real concern of Our Lady. All we can do now is pray.

Yes - we have a long road ahead of us, and much prayer and penance is still needed even though the 1984 Consecration was valid - in the word of JP2 - “do not be afraid” - and I would also add - dont listen to conspiracy theorists.