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Doxiemom said:
Have not millions in russia returned to Christianity? Thus there have been many souls saved.

what the government is can be vastly different that what the people are.

Just as it is with the Church. They can destroy the buildings, burn the bibles, kill the priests, kill the popes, kill the other christian leaders of all denominations, they can kill all of us off one by one, yet there will remain a Body of Christ until Jesus choses to begin the process that leads to His Second Coming and He sits on David’s throne and is King of kings and Lord of lords .

If all that is connected with fatima is true, then souls of russia have been saved, and will continue to be saved. Nothing it seems is able to keep out the Word of God in these amazing days. And horror will likely come to the whole church. But we have Christ, our bridegroom, and we are His visable Bride.

No mystery there to be solved.
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Our Blessed Mother said, that unless Russia is consecrated to Her Immaculate Heart,
RUSSIA WILL CONTINUE TO SPREAD HER ERRORS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
God wants Russia to be converted, so that the world may have peace and billions of souls be saved

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VARC said:
Zing:D
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Haven’t you ever heard of ex-cathedra? The Pope does not have that much authority!
And even during the French captivity…The doctrine remained and continues to remain…unchanged. The Vatican is layers and layers of onion skins of committees.
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  • The overall impression, now that Sister Lucia is dead, is that there was lost an immense occasion to leave the posterity her exhaustive and complete testimony on the most extraordinary Marian apparitions in the history of the Church, and that Sister Lucia had to live for 45 years of her life (from 1960 to her death) in a condition that is not imposed on anyone in the civilized world, not even the most dangerous prisoners. In the Vatican, starting from the time of Pope John 23, they had more than enough of hearing the testimony of Sister Lucia. So much so that they did not content themselves with simply impeding her from speaking and from meeting whoever would retain what she said, but from the ambient of the Vatican Curia—I have personal testimonies of what took place in the decade of the 1980s—they went so far as to discredit this little cloistered nun and made it impossible for her to defend herself. P116
  • There are various other personages from whose testimony the ‘Fatimist’ press has deduced that the official version does not add up, that the truth has been hidden. I will cite only some of them. The most authoritative seems to be Cardinal Ciappi, theologian from the pontifical household from 1955 to 1989, from Pius 12 to John Paul II. The prelate—in a letter sent to Professor Baumgartner, published in March 2002 but written by the Cardinal before 2000—reveals that ‘in the Third Secret it is predicted, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.’ One supposes that a Cardinal so important, serious and esteemed by so many Popes, would not play games, especially in matters so grave and delicate. Therefore, his words have to be seriously considered. However, we do not know how and when he learned of the Third Secret (probably at the time of John 23).Certainly though, we can say that that phrase does not seem to refer to the text revealed in 2000. P123
  • Then, there is the account published by *30 days *(April 1991) of a meeting, lasting one hour, between Cardinal Oddi and Sister Lucia in 1985, when he went to preside over the celebrations of May 13 in Fatima. Oddi asked the visionary why the Secret had not been divulged. Sister Lucia, who for years had requested its publication, recounted that in a private meeting she had had with John Paul 2in 1982, speaking of the problem, the Holy Father told her that it had not been divulged ‘because it could be badly interpreted.’ The meeting between the Pope and the visionary took place in 1982, thus a year after the attack by Agca. If the vision concerned a prophecy of that shooting, one does not see how it could have been badly interpreted. P123
  • All of the accounts, however, add up if one considers that there exist two different texts, one of which , that of the vision, Pope John caused to arrive from the Holy Office (as Bertone says) and the other which was retrieved from the little wooden safe of Pius 12 kept in his own room. ‘This proves,’ according to Frere Michel, ‘that Pius 12 attributed great importance to the Third Secret.’ Or rather it proves that he thought it to be ‘explosive’. Probably for the same reason, as we have already seen, John 23 decided to do the same: restoring to the Holy office the text of the vision, but retaining the other part in the papal apartment. P136
  • Therefore, the mystery remains locked away in this letter, of 20 to 25 lines, written on a single sheet of paper. In order to transcribe this brief message from the Madonna—after having received the order form the Bishop—Sister Lucia was tormented and blocked by anxiety for almost three months and, as has been noted, succeeded in overcoming her dramatic difficulty only thanks to the direct intervention of the Madonna, who appeared on January 2, 1944. She assured her of the fact of the duty to write the Secret and assisted her in recording its every word. But why that great anxiety of Lucia? Why that block? Did it arise from prophecies of terrifying catastrophes that could be contained there? P145
 
Shoshana said:
Is anybody reading what I am typing here?:o
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Yes, Shoshana.
That is very interesting.
But I am afraid that a lot of faithful cannot step the gap of acknowledging that something was wrong in the way the popes since John XXIII have handled the 3rd Secret.
People have a bad notion of what means “pontifical infaillibility”: They reckon that all what a pope says is the Truth and that nobody can contradict him, while we, you and I are knowing that the popes may err in a number of profane and even religious matters. They even apply this to what their bishops are saying.
For example, Pope JP II said that he was against the capital punishment and now a number of ignorant faithfuls believe that is a matter of doctrine, that a Christian must fight it.
Reading the Church’s history since 20 centuries shows that besides scandalous, liars or murderers, there were heretic popes too. I don’t want to shock anyone in saying that the interreligious gathering of Assisi promoted by JPII is bordering heresy in that it strongly contradicts the dogma “Extra Ecclesiam nulla Salus”. There are other examples…
In my opinion, the Fatima apparitions were provided to the human kind on the wrong path as a strong wake up signal, in particular by the “Miracle of the Sun”.
Those who downplay Fatima say that it is private revelation and must be accepted so and no more: I say NO !
When the Virgin predicted to the kids the exact date and hour of the Great Miracle that would be performed 3 months later, “SO THAT ALL MAY BELIEVE” (she said this exactly), I am sorry, that’s not a private revelation, moreover when the Miracle of the spinning and dancing sun in the sky was watched and witnessed at the exact date and hour by 70 thousands of people, faithfuls and incredulous who came that day as for an appointment to hail it (or ridicule it in the case it never would happen)
Private revelation means that we are free to accept or reject it.
Here we are OBLIGED to accept Fatima in its whole stuff otherwise we have to hide our head in the sand like ostriches.
I am afraid that a number of today’s catholic faithfuls and clerics (popes included) look like ostriches.
 
Albizzi said:
Yes, Shoshana.
That is very interesting.
But I am afraid that a lot of faithful cannot step the gap of acknowledging that something was wrong in the way the popes since John XXIII have handled the 3rd Secret.
People have a bad notion of what means “pontifical infaillibility”: They reckon that all what a pope says is the Truth and that nobody can contradict him, while we, you and I are knowing that the popes may err in a number of profane and even religious matters. They even apply this to what their bishops are saying.
For example, Pope JP II said that he was against the capital punishment and now a number of ignorant faithfuls believe that is a matter of doctrine, that a Christian must fight it.
Reading the Church’s history since 20 centuries shows that besides scandalous, liars or murderers, there were heretic popes too. I don’t want to shock anyone in saying that the interreligious gathering of Assisi promoted by JPII is bordering heresy in that it strongly contradicts the dogma “Extra Ecclesiam nulla Salus”. There are other examples…
In my opinion, the Fatima apparitions were provided to the human kind on the wrong path as a strong wake up signal, in particular by the “Miracle of the Sun”.
Those who downplay Fatima say that it is private revelation and must be accepted so and no more: I say NO !
When the Virgin predicted to the kids the exact date and hour of the Great Miracle that would be performed 3 months later, “SO THAT ALL MAY BELIEVE” (she said this exactly), I am sorry, that’s not a private revelation, moreover when the Miracle of the spinning and dancing sun in the sky was watched and witnessed at the exact date and hour by 70 thousands of people, faithfuls and incredulous who came that day as for an appointment to hail it (or ridicule it in the case it never would happen)
Private revelation means that we are free to accept or reject it.
Here we are OBLIGED to accept Fatima in its whole stuff otherwise we have to hide our head in the sand like ostriches.
I am afraid that a number of today’s catholic faithfuls and clerics (popes included) look like ostriches.
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Code:
Thank you. I believe in being objective…and there is a lot of objective stuff in Socci’s book…in depth and sincere. For a man who has made a total turn-around after reading much evidence!

I am now readlng Frere Michel. He expands on the message given from our Lady. Like hell. And how we really don’t think about hell anymore and how this may have a detrimental effect on all of us. Frere michel gives biblical references for the vision o hell…let us say, when liberals say that hell is only about not being in the presence of God! The apparition came at a key point…when the Church teaching by pastors, etc was goind downhill fast…As Father corapi says there are many good bishops and many good priests out there…but we are in crisis…a crisis of faith around us…

Thank you again…🙂
 
  • Evidently things were even graver than supposed by Father Alonso and Frere Michel, and the contents of the Secret are more terrible than the prophecy of 1931. It seems that we are able to deduce that in those 20 lines, in these few words of the Madonna, are contained something ‘more’, something unimaginable and unspeakable, which after having ‘paralyzed’ Sister Lucia for three months had ‘terrorized’ even the Popes, inducing them not to reveal these words. P148
  • It is appropriate to remember, yet again, in order to appreciate the chasm in which the Church then found herself, that in the same days in which the Third Secret was buried and Sister Lucia was ‘silenced’ (together with the Madonna), there was also launched again the persecution of Padre Pio through whom there had been thousands of conversions. But Vatican Council II had been convoked, presenting itself as the beginning of the era of dialogue, or renewal, the dawn of new times. There would be revealed another Aurora Borealis. P153
  • At LaSalette these two themes are joined (‘Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist’) and I recall that Cardinal Ratzinger, in the interview mentioned, speaks of the Third Secret, indicating precisely contents of this kind, and stating that they are already present in other apparitions recognized by the church. All of this—as Cardinal Ratzinger was still hinting—would be accompanied by planetary catastrophes.’ P161
  • On the idea of an Antichrist, no theologian (and perhaps no Churchman) has been more insistent than Cardinal Ratzinger in his many writings (while having himself also describe Hitler as an antichrist). The prelate, today Pope, taking as his starting point *The Account of the Antichrist *by Vladimir Soloviev, wrote:
  • A phrase of Soloviev is illuminating, The Antichrist believes in God, but in the depths of his heart prefers himself. Does the Third Secret put the Church on guard against the arrival of a personage of this kind, who believes in God (and perhaps has studied theology), but ‘prefer himself’? P167
 
Shoshana said:
Is anybody reading what I am typing here?:o
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Hi Shoshana,
You sure have got the facts correct. I am in the process of reading Antonio Socci’s book
of The Fourth Secret of FATIMA…called the fourth because it is quite clear from all the documentation and testimonies from vatican officials, cardinals, people of noteriety, that we have only received a part of the Third Secret…which was supposed to be given to all ]Christians and all humanity! How sad we have been denied this truth…to cover up their weaknesses.!
The Church has recognized the “part they released in 2000”. These Fatima visionaries are without equal in the history of Christianity and which places this apparition and this message, objectively above and beyond all of the so-called “private revelations” Paul VI felt Fatima to be an “eschatological” place.
Cardinal Sodano has defined this as “the greatest of modern times.” It even approaches biblical prophecies. A prophecy that obligates the Church, and whose value is not at all “optional,” as recognized by John Paul 11.

Did you know that Lucia was to give a radio message to the world of something the Madonna had said…when Pope John XX111 elected…(1958) .regarding the Fatima Secret…but an alarmed summit met in the Vatican and and Lucia was silenced forever!
And this Pope XX111 buried this message. And, inn the year 2000 we received only the vision, NOT the words of the Madonna…

Lucia was terrified to relate this message, and the popes were afraid to have it revealed.

THE MYSTERY REMAINS LOCKED AWAY IN A LETTER, OF 20 to 25 LINES, WRITTEN ON A SINGLE SHEET OF PAPER. NOT THE FOUR OR FIVE PAGES WHICH THE VATICAN HAS RELEASED IN THE YEAR 2000 regarding the vision.

SISTER LUCIA WAS TORMENTED AND BLOCKED BY ANXIETY FOR ALMOST THREE MONTHS AND, AS HAS BEEN NOTED, SUCCEEDED IN OVERCOMING HER DRAMATIC DIFFICULTY ONLY THANKS TO THE DIRECT INTERVENTION OF THE MADONNA, WHO APPEARED ON JANUARY 2,1944. SHE ASSURED HER OF THE FACT OF THE DUTY TO WRITE THE SECRET AND ASSISTED HER IN RECORDING ITS EVERY WORD. BUY WHY THAT GREAT ANXIETY OF LUCIA? WHY THAT BLOCK? DID IT ARISE FROM PROPHECIES OF TERRIFYING CATASTROPHIES THAT COULD BE CONTAINED THERE?
IN REALITY THERE ARE ALREADY PROPHECIES OF TERRIBLE TRAGEDIES IN THE FIRST AND SECOND PARTS OF THE SECRET, (THERE IS PREANNOUNCED ALL OF THE HORRORS OF THE 20th CENTURY WHICH ARE TRULY CHILLING, NOT TO MENTION HELL, WHOSE LITERAL DESCRIPTION IS CONTAINED IN THE FIRST PART). WHAT, THEREFORE, COULD HAVE PROVOKED SUCH A PARALYZING TERROR IN HER?
AND JOHN XX111 DECIDED TO KEEP THIS OTHER PART TO HIMSELF, IN HIS BEDROOM. HE MUST HAVE HELD IT SO “EXPLOSIVE” AND SHOCKING AS TO JUSTIFY SUCH AN ANOMALY. BUT THERE IS ANOTHER REASON: BECAUSE PIUS
X11 HAD DONE THE SAME THING.
There is so much evidence that the Vatican is withholding a part of the Secret and has only divulged the vision BUT NOT THE WORDS OF OUR BLESSED MOTHER!
WHY?
This message was for the world not just the Vatican to hide.
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Shoshana said:
Code:
Socci is very respectable of the Vatican. He does not criticize as he says respect is still due. And I respect him greatly as he is very well balanced.BUT if you read his quotes that I am bringing to the forum, you will see that it it is not the whole story. 😦
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It is quite clear: The full secret has not been revealed and
Our Blessed Mother wants Russia to consecrated to her Immaculate Heart by the Pope along with all the bishops publically, and if this is done there will be peace in the world, it is MOST important and MUST be done as soon as possible.
The errors of Russia - meaning COMMUNISM - are not a thing of the past. COMMUNISM IS ALIVE, stronger and more evil than ever!
Right now, the totalitarian regimes of Russia, China, and North Korea have missiles carrying warheads aimed at US>

ANY DAY NOW, Comrade Putin or Comrade Hu or Comrade Kim could push the button that will rain down death and destruction on YOU< your nieghbors and your loved ones.
Since the early 90’s some misguided individuals - even some bishops and priests who should know better - have been telling us the “fall of Communism” means that Russia has been converted.

They claim the 1984 consecration of the world (not Russia) performed by Pope John Paul 11 (alone, without all the bishops joining in) satisfied the request of Our Lady.
The Communist threat is ended, they say, and we can now enjoy the era of peace that She promised. ???
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missal said:
Hi Shoshana,
You sure have got the facts correct. I am in the process of reading Antonio Socci’s book
of The Fourth Secret of FATIMA…called the fourth because it is quite clear from all the documentation and testimonies from vatican officials, cardinals, people of noteriety, that we have only received a part of the Third Secret…which was supposed to be given to all ]Christians and all humanity!
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How sad we have been denied this truth…to cover up their weaknesses.!
The Church has recognized the “part they released in 2000”. These Fatima visionaries are without equal in the history of Christianity and which places this apparition and this message, objectively above and beyond all of the so-called “private revelations” Paul VI felt Fatima to be an “eschatological” place.
Cardinal Sodano has defined this as “the greatest of modern times.” It even approaches biblical prophecies. A prophecy that obligates the Church, and whose value is not at all “optional,” as recognized by John Paul 11.

Did you know that Lucia was to give a radio message to the world of something the Madonna had said…when Pope John XX111 elected…(1958) .regarding the Fatima Secret…but an alarmed summit met in the Vatican and and Lucia was silenced forever!
And this Pope XX111 buried this message. And, inn the year 2000 we received only the vision, NOT the words of the Madonna…

Lucia was terrified to relate this message, and the popes were afraid to have it revealed.

THE MYSTERY REMAINS LOCKED AWAY IN A LETTER, OF 20 to 25 LINES, WRITTEN ON A SINGLE SHEET OF PAPER. NOT THE FOUR OR FIVE PAGES WHICH THE VATICAN HAS RELEASED IN THE YEAR 2000 regarding the vision.

SISTER LUCIA WAS TORMENTED AND BLOCKED BY ANXIETY FOR ALMOST THREE MONTHS AND, AS HAS BEEN NOTED, SUCCEEDED IN OVERCOMING HER DRAMATIC DIFFICULTY ONLY THANKS TO THE DIRECT INTERVENTION OF THE MADONNA, WHO APPEARED ON JANUARY 2,1944. SHE ASSURED HER OF THE FACT OF THE DUTY TO WRITE THE SECRET AND ASSISTED HER IN RECORDING ITS EVERY WORD. BUY WHY THAT GREAT ANXIETY OF LUCIA? WHY THAT BLOCK? DID IT ARISE FROM PROPHECIES OF TERRIFYING CATASTROPHIES THAT COULD BE CONTAINED THERE?
IN REALITY THERE ARE ALREADY PROPHECIES OF TERRIBLE TRAGEDIES IN THE FIRST AND SECOND PARTS OF THE SECRET, (THERE IS PREANNOUNCED ALL OF THE HORRORS OF THE 20th CENTURY WHICH ARE TRULY CHILLING, NOT TO MENTION HELL, WHOSE LITERAL DESCRIPTION IS CONTAINED IN THE FIRST PART). WHAT, THEREFORE, COULD HAVE PROVOKED SUCH A PARALYZING TERROR IN HER?
AND JOHN XX111 DECIDED TO KEEP THIS OTHER PART TO HIMSELF, IN HIS BEDROOM. HE MUST HAVE HELD IT SO “EXPLOSIVE” AND SHOCKING AS TO JUSTIFY SUCH AN ANOMALY. BUT THERE IS ANOTHER REASON: BECAUSE PIUS
X11 HAD DONE THE SAME THING.
There is so much evidence that the Vatican is withholding a part of the Secret and has only divulged the vision BUT NOT THE WORDS OF OUR BLESSED MOTHER!
WHY?
This message was for the world not just the Vatican to hide.
I feel rather discusted today.View attachment 6385

Here’s one of the big problems I have with all this. IF the Blessed Mother had this hugely critical message from God for humanity, and it needed to come out RIGHT NOW, NOBODY could stop it coming out. The Church belongs to God, and in the end, she carries out His will. You all seem to think God can be thwarted.

P.S. Is there even any evidence that Pius XII read the Third Secret?

P.P.S. When you stop and think about it, the really hugely critical message from God already came out – 2,000 years ago. If we don’t listen to it, that’s on us.
 
Victorious said:
Here’s one of the big problems I have with all this. IF the Blessed Mother had this hugely critical message from God for humanity, and it needed to come out RIGHT NOW, NOBODY could stop it coming out. The Church belongs to God, and in the end, she carries out His will. You all seem to think God can be thwarted.

P.S. Is there even any evidence that Pius XII read the Third Secret?

P.P.S. When you stop and think about it, the really hugely critical message from God already came out – 2,000 years ago. If we don’t listen to it, that’s on us.
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Obviously we do not listen…again and again…

You are wrong, anybody can stop the message as we have seen. Jesus had a message also and was crucified for it. T

The Popes prior to JP2 did not wish to reveal it. JP2 tried. He suffered much. Read my quotes…and you will get your answers. I will look for the one about Pius XII to-morrow…I am going to bed.

Our Lady would not have to come at LaSalette, Lourdes and Fatima for NOTHING! Read the prophecies sanctioned by the Church, especially LaSalette.

In Divine Mercy, Our Lady (or Jesus) told Faustina that there will be a spark from Poland that will prepare the people for the end times.
 
  • That day in 1917 there was a young Polish seminarian Maximilian Kolbe, in St Peter’s Square when a group of Masons, celebrating the 200th anniversary of the founding of the Grand Lodge, unfurled a banner which read: ‘Satan will rule the Vatican, and the :Pope will be his slave.’ P169
  • In Aura Miguel, Totus Tuus, PP51 nad 62). Among the images used by the Masons in Rome, aside from the written ones, must be recalled in particular—for the subversive iconographic and theological meaning it suggests—that in which Saint Michael the Archangel (victor over Satan and for this reason the protector of the Church) is represented beneath the feet of Lucifer. P169
  • That this concerns prophecies which have already come true is before the eyes of everyone. Whoever objects that lucia wrote these things *post eventum *, in 1941, forgets that the children at unexpected times had shown knowledge of what would happen and that Sister Lucia had already made a first draft of the first wo parts of the Secret in 1927. (Only under the order of her confessor did she destroy it; but, in the face of critical observations, she pointed to it as evidence.) In any case, there is a phrase in the Second Secret which has provoked much discussion. There the Madonna says: ‘If they do not cease offending God, during the reign of Pius XI there will begin another worse war (than that in progress).’ P176
  • 1917 was the year of a great turning point: the year of the apparitions at Fatima and of the Bolshevik Revolution. It is in the apparition of July 13 that the Madonna pre-announces the Communist Revolution which In fact will explode and triumph the following October 25th. In the words of the Madonna, it is Communism which installed in Russia the satanic element through which the great chastisement of the world and the Church will arrive. P179
  • St Maximilian Kolbe was among those who intuited that as to the ‘demons’ unleashed on the earth in the 20th century (by which he himself would be martyred)one could offer opposition only through Mary: ‘Hell hates Her and trembles before Her.’ And to make understood the power of the humble young girl of Nazareth, he had recourse to the following paradox” If Lucifer could invoke, for his own salvation, the holy Virgin with the single word ‘Mary’, he would reach Paradise in an instant.’ P181
  • At any rate the Holy See—to tell the truth, even before the arrival of Oius XI—had committed the same error committed by the Western powers and which Solzhenitsyn denounced in his works. They sought the road of agreement, of diplomatic rapport, by which the Western countries enabled the Soviet regime to survive and consolidate itself in those first years, precisely when it could have been swept away by the economic conditions of the country. Thus ‘Vatican ostpolitik’ was born. And if in the abstract this could be considered an attempt to limit evil, to ward off the worst consequences, in reality there was revealed a grave weakness and an incapacity to comprehend—so much so tha the Soviet regime was utterly merciless toward Catholics, the Church, and the Soviet people. P182
  • According to the doctrine of the Church, the font of the charism of the Holy Spirit is not, in fact, the hierarchy, which is called instead to evaluate and recognize what is manifested. The caution towards supernatural phenomena-which is more healthy in the pastors of the Church-can never be allowed to become skepticism towards the liberty of the Holy Ghost. (St Paul warns: ‘Do not extinguish the spirit; do not despise prophecies.’ 1Thess. 5:19-20.) It was not by accident that it was precisely under the pontificate of Pius XI that there was launched and carried out the virulent ecclesiastical persecution of a great saint like Padre Pio. It is necessary to admit that Pope Pius X1 should have been more careful in guiding the church during this period, which perhaps was the most terrible and grim of all modern history. But because that period was so terrible, with all the more reason he should have recognized the signs from heaven. P183
 
missal said:
Hi Shoshana,
You sure have got the facts correct. I am in the process of reading Antonio Socci’s book
of The Fourth Secret of FATIMA…called the fourth because it is quite clear from all the documentation and testimonies from vatican officials, cardinals, people of noteriety, that we have only received a part of the Third Secret…which was supposed to be given to all ]Christians and all humanity!
Click to expand...
How sad we have been denied this truth…to cover up their weaknesses.!
The Church has recognized the “part they released in 2000”. These Fatima visionaries are without equal in the history of Christianity and which places this apparition and this message, objectively above and beyond all of the so-called “private revelations” Paul VI felt Fatima to be an “eschatological” place.
Cardinal Sodano has defined this as “the greatest of modern times.” It even approaches biblical prophecies. A prophecy that obligates the Church, and whose value is not at all “optional,” as recognized by John Paul 11.

Did you know that Lucia was to give a radio message to the world of something the Madonna had said…when Pope John XX111 elected…(1958) .regarding the Fatima Secret…but an alarmed summit met in the Vatican and and Lucia was silenced forever!
And this Pope XX111 buried this message. And, inn the year 2000 we received only the vision, NOT the words of the Madonna…

Lucia was terrified to relate this message, and the popes were afraid to have it revealed.

THE MYSTERY REMAINS LOCKED AWAY IN A LETTER, OF 20 to 25 LINES, WRITTEN ON A SINGLE SHEET OF PAPER. NOT THE FOUR OR FIVE PAGES WHICH THE VATICAN HAS RELEASED IN THE YEAR 2000 regarding the vision.

SISTER LUCIA WAS TORMENTED AND BLOCKED BY ANXIETY FOR ALMOST THREE MONTHS AND, AS HAS BEEN NOTED, SUCCEEDED IN OVERCOMING HER DRAMATIC DIFFICULTY ONLY THANKS TO THE DIRECT INTERVENTION OF THE MADONNA, WHO APPEARED ON JANUARY 2,1944. SHE ASSURED HER OF THE FACT OF THE DUTY TO WRITE THE SECRET AND ASSISTED HER IN RECORDING ITS EVERY WORD. BUY WHY THAT GREAT ANXIETY OF LUCIA? WHY THAT BLOCK? DID IT ARISE FROM PROPHECIES OF TERRIFYING CATASTROPHIES THAT COULD BE CONTAINED THERE?
IN REALITY THERE ARE ALREADY PROPHECIES OF TERRIBLE TRAGEDIES IN THE FIRST AND SECOND PARTS OF THE SECRET, (THERE IS PREANNOUNCED ALL OF THE HORRORS OF THE 20th CENTURY WHICH ARE TRULY CHILLING, NOT TO MENTION HELL, WHOSE LITERAL DESCRIPTION IS CONTAINED IN THE FIRST PART). WHAT, THEREFORE, COULD HAVE PROVOKED SUCH A PARALYZING TERROR IN HER?
AND JOHN XX111 DECIDED TO KEEP THIS OTHER PART TO HIMSELF, IN HIS BEDROOM. HE MUST HAVE HELD IT SO “EXPLOSIVE” AND SHOCKING AS TO JUSTIFY SUCH AN ANOMALY. BUT THERE IS ANOTHER REASON: BECAUSE PIUS
X11 HAD DONE THE SAME THING.
There is so much evidence that the Vatican is withholding a part of the Secret and has only divulged the vision BUT NOT THE WORDS OF OUR BLESSED MOTHER!
WHY?
This message was for the world not just the Vatican to hide.
I feel rather discusted today.View attachment 6385
Missal, pray that you remain peaceful and hopeful during these trying times. It is only through the Holy Spirit that we enter into this disturbing time. JP@ suffered much for it…why would we be different? Our Lady is aware of our love for her, but we must remain in Her Spirit. If She is patient, so must we be.

She will continue to come back until the very end. Maybe until we listen…but it just might be too late…she did say Her Immaculate Heart will be victorious!
 
Shoshana said:
Obviously we do not listen…again and again…

You are wrong, anybody can stop the message as we have seen. Jesus had a message also and was crucified for it. T
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Victorious had said:
IF the Blessed Mother had this hugely critical message from God for humanity, and it needed to come out RIGHT NOW, NOBODY could stop it coming out. The Church belongs to God, and in the end, she carries out His will. You all seem to think God can be thwarted.
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Shoshana, do you not realize that it was to die that Jesus came? God’s will was not thwarted, but rather fulfilled. His message was not stifled but became the most well-known message in history. Besides, the Holy Spirit works and guides His Church through His Holy Vicar.

When we have a conflict between the Catholic Church the following of a private revelation, it should be easy for a Catholic to know what to believe. We are bound to be faithful to the Church and private revelation is optional. However, if one discounts the conspiracy theories and everything ceases to be in conflict, it should serve as good evidence that such conjecture is untrue, unhealth and a waste of time. All this assumes, of course one has Faith.
 
pnewton said:
Victorious had said:

Shoshana, do you not realize that it was to die that Jesus came? God’s will was not thwarted, but rather fulfilled. His message was not stifled but became the most well-known message in history. Besides, the Holy Spirit works and guides His Church through His Holy Vicar.

You are so right, pleaase forgive me. I should have gone ot bed when i said I would.😊

When we have a conflict between the Catholic Church the following of a private revelation, it should be easy for a Catholic to know what to believe. We are bound to be faithful to the Church and private revelation is optional. However, if one discounts the conspiracy theories and everything ceases to be in conflict, it should serve as good evidence that such conjecture is untrue, unhealth and a waste of time. All this assumes, of course one has Faith.

Reading Socci and some other higher prelates, I believe that JP2 was also gagged. He has said it, Caridnal Ratzinger also said it. JP2 suffered much. I am being objective about this…and I continue to protect myself from confusion and lack of peace. It disturbs me somewhat to see that Padre Pio was gagged and Sr Lucia herself. It disturbs me somewhat that 450 bishops in the Council were told to sit down and be quiet because they did not agree with the Metz Pact (this quote will be coming). Yet, the Pope was the one to tell them to sit down and be quiet. At the behest of a Cardinal. This will come shortly for your viewing.

I do not believe Socci to be a conspiratist. He believed in the Vatican (as other priests did, and I have provided those quotes). He admonishes the Fatimists. He writes with all due respect to the Vatican. I am praying for greater discernement…because all the drama around this is unhealthy…and is a reflection of the corruption that does exist with some Prelates. I have great faith and great love for Mother Church. But I do not have to take what seems to be true as being true. Read the quotes…how can a prelate explain the third secret before the secret was given out?
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