The Throne of St. Judas Iscariot

[GeorgeSword]

Glad to see that title grabbed you attention
It’s not misleading, though. In Matthew 19:28 Jesus tells the Apostles that they will have ‘12 thrones’ in heaven. Is it to be understood that Judas was forgiven for his betrayl, and if not, why did Jesus say that there would be twelve thrones in heaven, since He had to know that Judas would betray Him in the future?
Also, another Judas question
Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:15 that ‘the 12’ witnessed the Accesion. Had Judas not yet hanged himself?

 

[LilyM]

Glad to see that title grabbed you attention
It’s not misleading, though. In Matthew 19:28 Jesus tells the Apostles that they will have ‘12 thrones’ in heaven. Is it to be understood that Judas was forgiven for his betrayl, and if not, why did Jesus say that there would be twelve thrones in heaven, since He had to know that Judas would betray Him in the future?
Also, another Judas question
Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:15 that ‘the 12’ witnessed the Accesion. Had Judas not yet hanged himself?

The answers to all your questions are in the negative. As you will be aware, in Acts Matthias is appointed as successor to Judas in the Apostolic office. Jesus, in making His promise, was also aware that Judas would be replaced by Matthias. The promise was to all the Apostles, not just those who were present at the time He uttered those words, just as Matthias obviously received the Apostolic charism of infallibility, the authority to forgive sins and so on.

 

[Todd_Easton]

The choice of St. Matthias to replace Judas Iscariot as the twelfth apostle is mentioned in Acts 1:15-26. Given that Jesus Christ said that his betrayer would have been better off, if he had not been born, many think that Judas is among the damned. (Matthew 26:24)

 

[Ron_Conte]

The answers to all your questions are in the negative. As you will be aware, in Acts Matthias is appointed as successor to Judas in the Apostolic office. Jesus, in making His promise, was also aware that Judas would be replaced by Matthias. The promise was to all the Apostles, not just those who were present at the time He uttered those words, just as Matthias obviously received the Apostolic charism of infallibility, the authority to forgive sins and so on.

Matthias is not Judas’ successor, but his replacement. So the 12 thrones are for the Eleven plus Matthias. There is no throne for Judas.

Matthias was chosen because he was among the disciples from the beginning, so he may have been present when those words were uttered.

The ‘Apostolic charism of infallibility’?? Only the Pope can teach infallibly by himself. All the bishops are successors to the Apostles. But the Bishops can only participate in the infallibility of the Magisterium when they teach as a body led by the Pope. So only Peter had the ability to teach infallibly by Apostolic authority, as the leader of the body of bishops.

All priests and bishops can forgive sins, so this does not pertain specifically to the Twelve.

 

[AmbroseSJ]

Ron Conte:

Matthias was chosen because he was among the disciples from the beginning, so he may have been present when those words were uttered.

(and also at the Ascension) Good explanation Ron.

 

[Amethyst]

Another way to look at this is that “The Twelve” is an office. If only 11 of “The Twelve” were at the Ascension, because only 11 of them at that time held the office, they are still “the Twelve” in the most important sense. If the Gators practice without Tebow, they that remain are still the Gators. (No resemblance between Tebow and the Gators is here implied, even if YOU are a 'Nole…)

As to the twelve thrones, clearly the 12th throne is for Matthias.