The "traddie attitude"

[Ceil-1]

But, therein lies the whole problem. One finds an antidote to the problem of irreverance, looking for a “home” with people to grow in faith and in spirituality, and, one runs into something worse than the first problem.

There seems to be a tendency to go to extremes, isn’t there?

 

[jeanannemarie]

Ideas may be fit for discussing, but in my unsolicited opinion, perhaps a discussion about holiness and how one might attain it would be more beneficial than arguing about all these groups that are perceived. I think we are making too many assumptions, it seems paranoid, even, at times, llumping each other in the groups with the labels. I don’t think it is possible to identify and pigeon hole all these groups and people. I thought about this more over the past hours since my previous post. According to the catechism the purpose of life is to know God, to love God and to serve God. Starting with this we could discuss what one needs to do to be holy, which means to love God. Not everyone is at the same place in their journey. The saints are given to us a role models. If everyone was working to attain holiness, no one would have time to argue about this stuff. That is what I meant when I said it was uncharitable. Perhaps unprofitable would have been a better choice of words. No good appears tome, to come from this type of thread because it can be too offensive. We get hung up on defining ad nauseum. If you don’t agree with me, fine. It was just my thoughts and an effort to be more positive. Forgive my intrusion in the thread and carry on.

 

[Michael_G_1]

I belonged to a small Traditional congregation that attended Masses celebrated privately by a retired Missionary priest (because of old age and poor health he has since had to end his public ministry). He celebrated Mass according to the 1962 Missal. The father of a large family took them all away to an SSPX chapel because our priest used to read the Epistle and Gospel in English, instead of reciting them in Latin and then reading the English versions before the homily. At that time he was almost ninety years old and was struggling to stand during the times that the rubrics required it.

We have people among the Trad community who seem to be preoccupied with looking for something to find fault with, and as in the case I described they seem to home in on trivialities.

 

[Walking_Home]

But, therein lies the whole problem. One finds an antidote to the problem of irreverance, looking for a “home” with people to grow in faith and in spirituality, and, one runs into something worse than the first problem.

There seems to be a tendency to go to extremes, isn’t there?

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Agree.

 

[Lormar]

I’ve seen that in every parish I’ve been to. OF, diocesan EF, SSPX, Independent, doesn’t matter.

Same here.

The “pro-choice” liberal Catholic women are a particularly unhappy, sour and dour bunch.

They’re lacking traditude. :clapping::clapping:

 

[Zacdecat]

Well, all are human. There are stupid people who are traditional as there are stupid people who are not. Just because you are Catholic does not confer some general superiority.

 

[At_Trent]

Same here.

The “pro-choice” liberal Catholic women are a particularly unhappy, sour and dour bunch.

They’re lacking traditude. :clapping::clapping:

lol, a little traditude never hurt anyone

 

[GloriousOrder]

If that person is “no longer” a traditionalist because of the practices of traditionalists, he should be consistent and stop being Catholic because of the practices of Catholics. He wants absolute perfection of motives where there is none. Perhaps this person does not recognise that we are sinners, and have disordered attachments. I wonder if he realises that traveling miles to get to a T.L.M. is part of a purgation process in the souls involved!

We must pray for angry people who reject a movement simply because of their peers in the movement. Apply his attitude to Christianity, and you’d have no Christians left because they’d all be scandalised by each other! This action is effeminate and soft for a man.

 

[laszlo]

I think what sometimes happens is the most extreme version of an idea gets associated with a group because they put themselves forward as the only real examples.

So, in a totally different direction, fundamentalists will sometimes let on that they are the only real Christians, because others don’t make the cut. And some people who don’t know better believe it.

In this case, the extremists tend to look down on even moderate traditionalists as not really traditional. So they have more prominence as bastions of the movement than their numbers suggest.

Second it.
My thumb rule is: Traditional Catholic (Protestant, Jew, Humanist) is who emphasizes the good in the tradition. TraditionalIST is, who like any ISM focuses on the evil in others.

I understand that the traditionalist/fundamentalist make everything to deny this distinction, and reasoning hard that they are the ones who own the TRUTH, but only God is the TRUTH and we grasp only crumbs for that, we had to be humble.

 

[NeedImprovement]

… As for the poster who said people want women to look like prairie folk, I personally havent seen that. Maybe you mistook their advocating for modesty. With the way people like Lady Gaga encourage female type people to dress, maybe the prairie style wouldn’t be all that bad anyway.

That’s a good point which may not be too far from the heart of St. Paul’s sentiment expressed in Chapter 11 of 1 Corinthians . Although exegetes will cite all types of symbolisms, a simpler explanation is that a woman’s hair was considered something very sensual at that time. A man might easily become distracted by it in a house of prayer.

Granted, Lady Gaga doesn’t overly support the textile industry with her choice of wardrobe. Although this trend of “revealing” attire may not actually be rampant at liturgical celebrations, nowdays, on occasion , there are instances where someone attending Mass might need something considerably larger than a veil to shroud what would be an obvious distraction to men.

We men, equally, should be asking the Holy Spirit for the grace of purity - particularly during the celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass …

Scripture also speaks of heads/faces “covered with shame”.

 

[Credo_in_Deum]

“traditude”

a new word ?

Ha I love this!

 

[Ceil-1]

I think some of you are missing the fine nuances in what is being conveyed, here. There are many who lack the sensitivity to understand the delicacies of a soul who is sincerely seeking. I don’t think it is unprofitable or uncharitable at all, to bring to light what is actually going on under the surface.

So far, the “best way” I have come across is the Fransicsans who have a spirituality of austerity with the right balance. The Mass is N.O., but, reverent with Latin responses. It is the closest thing to perfect I have seen. I wish there were more of them.

 

[wsxyz]

Although there certainly are hardcore Latin junkies among traditionalists, I think most traditional Catholics would prefer a (properly translated) vernacular EF Mass to a Latin OF Mass.

The difference in in the text of the prayers. The OF was fabricated by eviscerating the EF of it’s distinctively Catholic content. The prayers of the Mass need to be restored. The language is secondary.

 

[At_Trent]

Ha I love this!

ha, I see you do

“Catholic with traditude”

I can’t take credit though. I googled it and it seems the word has been around for a few years in various contexts,

 

[Credo_in_Deum]

ha, I see you do

“Catholic with traditude”

I can’t take credit though. I googled it and it seems the word has been around for a few years in various contexts,

Thats ok I will give you the credit for introducing it to me

 

[At_Trent]

Although there certainly are hardcore Latin junkies among traditionalists, I think most traditional Catholics would prefer a (properly translated) vernacular EF Mass to a Latin OF Mass.

The difference in in the text of the prayers. The OF was fabricated by eviscerating the EF of it’s distinctively Catholic content. The prayers of the Mass need to be restored. The language is secondary.

Not sure about that. Of those who identify themselves as trads on the internet forums, I’d guess most do not want a vernacular EF.

Then again, what % of any Roman Catholics post on internet forums ?

 

[pnewton]

Then again, what % of any Roman Catholics post on internet forums ?

Indeed. This place is a traditional gathering. I would say that if we took this as a sampling, we would prove nothing. There is not stereotype for a Traditional Catholic. That is what the OP’s post is missing. Any time we start thinking in groups we give room to prejudice. This place is slanted toward Catholics who are interested in their faith and against those who are uncharitable, in that they do not last long here.

I think Laszlo put it well,

*My thumb rule is: Traditional Catholic (Protestant, Jew, Humanist) is who emphasizes the good in the tradition. TraditionalIST is, who like any ISM focuses on the evil in others.

 

[wsxyz]

Not sure about that. Of those who identify themselves as trads on the internet forums, I’d guess most do not want a vernacular EF.

I don’t disagree. The Latin EF would be preferred over every other option. I mean that given the choice only between a vernacular EF and a Latin OF, the choice would be a for a vernacular EF.

 

[At_Trent]

Indeed. This place is a traditional gathering. I would say that if we took this as a sampling, we would prove nothing. There is not stereotype for a Traditional Catholic. That is what the OP’s post is missing. Any time we start thinking in groups we give room to prejudice. This place is slanted toward Catholics who are interested in their faith and against those who are uncharitable, in that they do not last long here.

I think Laszlo put it well,

*My thumb rule is: Traditional Catholic (Protestant, Jew, Humanist) is who emphasizes the good in the tradition. TraditionalIST is, who like any ISM focuses on the evil in others.

Agreed, except for the definition of traditionalist.

“Indeed, the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators: they are traditionalists.”
Pope St. Pius X

 

[At_Trent]

I don’t disagree. The Latin EF would be preferred over every other option. I mean that given the choice only between a vernacular EF and a Latin OF, the choice would be a for a vernacular EF.

Ok, I misunderstood. It would be tough to find both in one area though