shouldn’t Muslims understand it first? how will they understand it if it is misrepresnted in their book as 3 gods or God having partners or God having a wife?
Not positive for those who believe in the Trinity, that’s for sure. Ive read some of those verses before. But Ive forgotten them.
it is true, Muslims simply don’t get the Trinity…
and it is our duty to explain it
even Mohammad failed to grasp the concept of the Trinity. in the Quran he implied that Trinity consists of
the Quran implies that Trinity is about 3 gods, about taking partners to God, about God having a wife and son ecc.
That is because muhammed based his writting (or stealing) of the quran on almost every Christian heresy known to man (and a few more) up until the 7th century.
Tell us what the Trinity is according to the Quran.
No it’s not, it’s saying that Christians believe God (that is, Allah, The Father) to be one of three, i.e. The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Although I accept that in isolation this verse could be interpreted as condemning tri-theism (although this would still be strange argument, as it never mentions three ‘gods’ whereas verses like 16:51 which reference Zoroastrian beliefs directly say ‘two gods’), looking at it together with other verses discussing the same topic show that this cannot be the case. The very verse preceeding this one (which the usual firebrand polemicists rarely quote when making such arguments) criticises Christians for believing that Jesus is God, now obviously if Christians believe Jesus IS God (i.e. they are one and the same), they can’t possibly believe in three separate gods? So no, 5:73 is not condemning tri-theism, nor is it calling Christians polytheists (the Qur’an has a specific label for polytheists, mushrikeen, and not once is it used in reference to Christians).
No, it says no such thing, this verse isn’t even talking about the Trinity, but of idolatry. I find it interesting that the polemicists who come up with these arguments will only use their logic if it leads to a conclusion that is absurd, but not *too *absurd. 9:31 uses almost the exact same language and sentence structure to condemn Christians for ‘worshipping’ their priests, so they should also be arguing that the Qur’an says that Christians believe priests to be part of the Trinity.
Again, the Qur’an never refutes Christian doctrine by saying God doesn’t have a wife.
So muslims do believe in the Trinity. When do you want to start coming to Mass?
Tell us what the Trinity is according to the Quran.
I think you need to reread my statement, as you’ve obviously misunderstood it.
This is a bit of an obscure question, but I’ll try to give a basic answer. In 5:72-73 the Qur’an strips the Trinity down to a two-part formula, 5:72 tackling the Divine Incarnation, and 5:73 tackling God consisting of three hypostases. These two concepts are addressed together in 4:171.
Quran 005.072 - 73
So was there really any point in me humouring your question when you were probably going to post this regardless of what I said? If those verses are calling the Trinity tri-theism as you say, then please explain how Christians could believe that God and Jesus are two *separate *gods, yet believe Jesus IS God? Think about that. There really isn’t any way to get around this without insulting your own intelligence, the Qur’an clearly doesn’t think Christians believe in three gods. Yet so far I’ve only witnessed one Catholic on this site with the integrity to accept this.
I wish you wouldn’t talk to me as if I’m an idiot, I’ve read that verse plenty of times (I even quoted it in my last post on this thread!), I’m fully aware of its existence and what it means. Why so many anti-Islamic polemicists seem to think you can quote passages from the Qur’an over 40 verses apart yet expect people to assume they’re talking about the same thing I’ve never been able to comprehend. For the second time, this verse is not even talking about the Trinity (why else is there no mention of ‘three’?), it’s talking about idolatry; and again 9:31 uses almost the exact same language and sentence structure to condemn Christians for ‘worshipping’ their priests, so why aren’t you arguing that the Qur’an teaches that Christians believe their priests are part of the Trinity? It’s the same logic, just the conclusion is even more ridiculous.Here are the other two gods in Mohammads pseudo-Trinity (or Tri-Theism)
Quran 005.116
And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah’?” He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
No offense, but Mohammad did not know what he was talking about. And neither did you. Peace.
