The Trinity and the soul

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Please explain why the soul (human soul’s in general? Christ’s soul? something else?) must be part of God. Please be more specific than “because he’s infinite.” What do you mean by that?
 
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God is infinite meaning he has no limits. Are you saying he is separate from creation? How can that be if he is infinite? Is God infinite or not? If he is infinite then he must be outside of creation, inside of creation and in between. If that is true then the soul has to be included in the Trinity as well because the Trinity is God and God is infinite and nothing can be outside of or separate from what is infinite.
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No, all that is infinite is not one. Infinite means “Limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate.”
 
  1. God is infinite in that He had no beginning and will have no end. He is also infinite in power and knowledge. We only have a dim understanding of the limitless power and might of God.
  2. Creation is not a part of God. God created the universe at a specific moment, when Time began. Creation is finite, because it had a beginning. But God wills for creation to last forever. “Heaven and earth will not pass away.” God Himself is outside of time and is not bound by its limitations.
  3. Humans have immortal souls, granted at the moment of conception, but not infinite souls. Immortal souls mean that we were created and will live forever, but we had a definite beginning point. God thought of us and loved us before He created us, but He created us out of nothing, by His will.
  4. Infinity does NOT equal immortal. They are two different concepts–please consult a dictionary:
  • in·fi·nite
    adjective: infinite
    limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate.
    “the infinite mercy of God”
    synonyms: boundless, unbounded, unlimited, limitless, never-ending, interminable; More
    immeasurable, fathomless, imponderable;
    extensive, vast;
    immense, great, huge, enormous
    “the universe is infinite”
  • im·mor·tal
    adjective: immortal
    living forever; never dying or decaying.
    “our mortal bodies are inhabited by immortal souls”
    synonyms: undying, deathless, eternal, everlasting, never-ending, endless, lasting, enduring, ceaseless; More
    imperishable, indestructible, inextinguishable, immutable, perpetual, permanent, unfading
    “our souls are immortal”
  1. Catholicism does not believe in the pagan beliefs of pantheism that everything is a part of God. All rocks, plants, and animals exist by the will of God and were created by Him, but they are not part of God in that everything we see is divine. The Trinity is divine, Jesus is Divine, but we are not. We are invited into God’s family through Jesus’ sacrifice for us. Our souls are not divine in the same way that God is divine. The views you are expressing sound like pantheism to me.
 
I don’t think you really know God. God is unshakeable unity. The ego is stuck in its perception of duality because it doesn’t know any better.
 
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#2 doesnt work. How can creation NOT be a part of God. You are saying God is not everywhere. You are saying God is not infinite. You are saying God is not inside creation, outside creation and in between creation. You are placing limits on that which is limitless. Why?

Also you need to check #5. How could everything NOT be a part of God? Is God infinite or not? If everything is not a part of God then He is not infinite. This is basic.
 
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JohnDom said:
…You are saying God is not everywhere. You are saying God is not infinite. …
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Infinite and omnipresent are not the same:

Catholic Encyclopedia
when we say that God is infinite, we mean that He is unlimited in every kind of perfection or that every conceivable perfection belongs to Him in the highest conceivable way. In a different sense we sometimes speak, for instance, of infinite time or space, meaning thereby time of such indefinite duration or space of such indefinite extension that we cannot assign any fixed limit to one or the other. Care should be taken not to confound these two essentially different meanings of the term.
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Space, like time, is one of the measures of the finite, and as by the attribute of eternity, we describe God’s transcendence of all temporal limitations, so by the attribute of immensity we express His transcendent relation to space. There is this difference, however, to be noted between eternity and immensity, that the positive aspect of the latter is more easily realized by us, and is sometimes spoken of, under the name of omnipresence, or ubiquity, as if it were a distinct attribute. Divine immensity means on the one hand that God is necessarily present everywhere in space as the immanent cause and sustainer of creatures, and on the other hand that He transcends the limitations of actual and possible space, and cannot be circumscribed or measured or divided by any spatial relations. To say that God is immense is only another way of saying that He is both immanent and transcendent in the sense already explained. As some one has metaphorically and paradoxically expressed it, “God’s centre is everywhere, His circumference nowhere.”
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Toner, P. (1909). The Nature and Attributes of God. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06612a.htm
 
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I have no idea what you are asking.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost

The Son became incarnate, He became man, He became two natures in a human body and soul.
 
This thread is going nowhere. You have some very erroneous beliefs about God, and yet you say we know nothing about God. That is very offensive…not the way to have a fruitful discussion.
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Is there a reason we have created an entire religion based on the need to perpetuate the belief that we are separate and apart from God? Is there something so bad about that which is infinite that we have keep ourselves blind to the fact that we are in fact so desperately reinforcing this sense of separation? Why are we doing this?
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You obviously refuse to accept the tenents of the Catholic faith that we have been patiently explaining. I’m not sure why you are here asking questions unless it’s just to cause controversy, because you’re not actually listening to what we’re saying.

I think this whole thread should just be shut down…it seems a lesson in futility.
 
JohnDom said:
It’s one of two things:
  1. God is not infinite.
Or
  1. God is infinite and since the Trinity is God, then the Trinity must also be infinite. If the Trinity is infinite, then it cannot exclude the soul because nothing can be separate or apart from what’s infinite.
What’s your pick?
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False dichotomy.

Define your terms. What is “infinite”? What is “the trinity”? What are the attributes of God?
 
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