Straightpath
I would say the same about the koran regarding mohammed.
Peace to you Deen,
Oh wow, how could I have missed that?!
You are not alone in this. Christians find it difficult to understand how it can be so as well. They are not so arrogant, however, as to assume that they can understand everything about God’s nature. They believe in the Trinity because this is how God has revealed Himself to them. They know God is three persons because God has told them so.
If God made Himself into a man on earth for a time so that he would get tired like the rest of us, felt pain like the rest of us, and was indeed like the rest of us (not taking into consideration that He otherwise remained God) and chose to suffer human death on our behalf to demonstrate His love for us, would you therefore cease to worship Him?
Of course God “could” lie. But do you expect Him to do even an infinitessimal fraction of everything He “could” do? There are, indeed, many things God “could” do which we know He will not do because of His nature. But who are you to say that His nature precludes His becoming human for a time? Did not God describe the material created order as “good”? In what way does taking human form violate His divine nature. It appears you do not take His trancendent omnipotence seriously, which is, I would submit, a far greater sin than denying His revealed trinitarian nature.
In light of the MONSTROUS EARTHQUAKE TSUNAMI THAT STRUCK THE MOST POPULOUS MUSLIM COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, INDONESIA, DAY AFTER THE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS CHRIST, 2004, MONSTROUS, DEALY WAVES THROUGH SEVERAL TIME ZONES ALL THE WAY TO EAST AFRICA, MOVING THE HUGE ISLAND OF SUMATRA 66 feet!!! But that’s only on the surface!!! BENEATH THE OCEANS AND CONTINENTS, SEVERAL TECHTONIC PLATES EACH LARGER THAN NORTH AMERICA MOVED!!! AND ALONG WITH THEM THE WATERS OF THE OCEANS!!! EVEN THE NUMBER OF SECONDS IN A DAY WAS PERMANENTLY ALTERED, AND SOON EVEN THE CALENDAR PERHAPS.
It’s interesting to note that the Christians Mohammed did have contact with, heretical ones mainly from the Gnostic cult, claimed that all matter is inherently evil and against God’s nature. The Gnostic movement is dead for all practical purposes, but apparently the damage hasn’t been completely repaired.There are, indeed, many things God “could” do which we know He will not do because of His nature. But who are you to say that His nature precludes His becoming human for a time? Did not God describe the material created order as “good”? In what way does taking human form violate His divine nature. It appears you do not take His trancendent omnipotence seriously, which is, I would submit, a far greater sin than denying His revealed trinitarian nature.
Irenicist
God is not limited to time and space. The Second Person’s human nature is. He can do both.
There is no three Gods but one. It is the Persons that can appear simultaneoulsy. But they are not divided. Each Person of the Trinity is from eternity to eternity infinite. So the words “complete” is not a divine attribute of God. It is the words spoken in human terms. Each Person of the Trinity is the mystery of the Oneness of the Substance of the Godhead. The Father is neither the Son nor the Holy Spirit, the Son is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son(taken from the Athanasian Creed). This is a mystery far beyond the bounds of finite mind.
This is an assumption of the heretics. He is God-made-man. So can God himself be incomplete? Again the word “complete” makes your arguments even more confusing to yourself. God is one BUT not solitary. In Genesis you can see the words" Let us make man in **our **image, after our likeness."
Yes indeed Jesus said that, but particularly in reference to the Father, based on his human nature. But in no case his human nature become apart from his Person. At the time of His incarnation, it was united to him in a natural union of the human nature and divine nature we call in human terms as “hypostatic union.”
His crucified Body was also the one that was resurrected. Haven’t you heard from the words of Isaiah “They pierced the hands that created them.” Referring to the Crucified One? Who was the Creator? God Himself is, and creation is the work of the Trinity.
O a person of little faith! Haven’t you been told that there are three Persons in one God? Jesus was simply talking to the Father. Haven’t you heard as well that God is omni-present? Why are you trying to limit His presence?
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Our pleasure. And I bet you will come to know Christ Jesus more if you open your mind to Him. Ask Him and you will receive the gift of Divine revelation entrusted to the Church. For no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit who moves us. If we try to know Jesus in our human capacity, you can never at the least understand the Divine revelation of the Trinity and their actions in salvation history.
Alright… same old stuff.
Alright… same old stuff.
Alright… same old stuff.
Peace be to you. The doctrine of the Trinity is not a “concept” of man BUT a “revelation” of Jesus Christ. If you read the 1st up to the early part of 4th Century, there had been no contradiction of the revelation among Christians until the heretic Catholic priest named Arius (early 4th century) started entertaining this novel that Jesus is only a human being and not God. It spread like wildfire among the Christians and was a cause of division. The Church confronted this heresy at the Council of Nicaea in the year 325 AD. Mohammad (may his soul rest in peace) was born in the early 7th century. Up to that time the heresy of Arius was at its height and he might have encountered some of these heretics and ultimately got his idea about the Lord Jesus.
The Israelite people actually didn’t acknowledge nor denied that God is Trinitarian because it wasn’t revealed yet up to the time of Jesus. It was hidden to them because God Himself who became man is the one who is going to reveal it. It is not becaue the Israelite people just wanted to be stubborn but it is because of the fallen nature of man that made them sin against God even though God made them his own people.
God is faithful to his promises to the Jews even up to this time. So if you are stating otherwise it is your own opinion not God’s.
The Old Testament is a preparation of the coming of the Messiah. All of it points to him who was crucified and died for our sins. You may accuse Christians of anything ridiculous assumptions BUT you cannot understand it unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to you.
Quran is NOT a revelation from God. If it was so, then why all the fightings and different interpretations among muslims? How can you justify that it is the “ultimate” and without error, and then humans muslims interpret it the way they like?
It is so funny you’re accusing Jews of arrogance and ignorance, yet muslims claim the same thing for Islam. To sum up all these, it is because of the fallen nature of man that ALL OF US have our minds and hearts distorted by sin. Jesus came to give us life and save us from eternal damnation.
Hey! Don’t be upset. if you can not answer my questions, that’s fine.