The Trinity - monotheistic or tritheistic?

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Hashi Al-Eritre:
Christianity has always claimed to be monotheistic, but im struggling to understand how the trinity is a monotheistic concept. If the claim is that ‘God is 3 persons in 1’ then from what i see it is actually a tritheistic concept (the belief that there are three equally powerful gods who form a triad).

I would like an explanation from the christian perspective on the trinity and how it is not ‘tritheistic’.
To be tritheistic, there would have to be three distinct divine natures or essences. There is not. There is only one (mono) Divine nature in the Blessed Trinity.

Here’s a pretty good explanation of the Trinity, from Frank Sheed…“An idea is, so far as we can make it so, the mental double or image of the object we are contemplating; it expresses as much of that object as we can manage to get into it. Because of the limitation of our powers, the idea we form is never the perfect double or image, never totally expresses the object, in plain words is never totally adequate. But if God does, as we know from Himself that He does, generate an idea of Himself, this idea must be totally adequate, in no way less than the Being of which it is the Idea, lacking nothing that that Being has. The Idea must contain all the perfection of the Being of which it is the Idea. There can be nothing in the Thinker that is not in His Thought of Himself, otherwise the Thinker would be thinking of Himself inadequately, which is impossible for the Infinite. Thus the Idea, the Word that God generates, is Infinite, Eternal, living, a Person, equal in all things to Him who generates It - Someone as He is, conscious of Himself as he is, God as He is…” (Frank Sheed, *Theology and Sanity, *Ignatius Press, 1993, pg. 104, original edition published 1946)

“The First Person knows Himself; His act of knowing Himself produces an Idea, a Word; and this Idea, this Word, is the Second Person. The First Person and the Second combine in an act of love - love of one another, love of the glory of the Godhead which is their own; and just as the act of knowing produces an Idea within the Divine Nature, the act of loving produces a state of Lovingness within the Divine Nature. Into this Lovingness, Father and Son pour all that They have and all the They are, with no diminution, nothing held back. Thus this Lovingness within the Godhead is utterly equal to the Father and the Son, for They have poured Their all into it. There is nothing They have which their Lovingness does not have. Thus Their Lovingness too is Infinite, Eternal, Living, Someone, a Person, God. Observe that here again we are still within the Divine Nature. For love is wholly within the nature of the lover. But this love wholly contains the Divine Nature, for God puts the whole of Himself into love.” (ibid., 106).
 
how does one claim God is One yet believe there is divine Jesus on earth and a divine father in the heavens and a divine holy spirit somewhere else?
God’s single (mono) essence (nature) can be in more than one place at the same time. The physics which govern the material world does not govern Almighty God Himself.
 
Hashi Al-Eritre:
In the first quote, you used the word ‘developed’ in describing the christian doctrine. This is bizarre to me because the belief system of God isnt something that goes through a developing stage. It should be the same from Adam upto today, and stay the same until eternity.

We all agree the nature of God has always been the same from before creation to now and forever. No body has the right to develop a belief system for God, only the Prophets and Messengers relate to us how to believe in God.
Bottom line, if salvation is in believing in the trinity, then the trinity should have been the doctrine revealed to mankind from the time of Adam. God doesnt reveal different doctrines concerning Himself.
Hashi,

I think I can sympathize with how you find the “development” issue as somewhat bizzare. However, let me try to tackle at least one chunk of the problem briefly.

How can I best say this??? I don’t know much about you, I do know you are a Muslim, correct? There are Shiite, Suni, Sufi, the “Wahabbi” type of Muslims, and I guess more than those listed. Now, I’m not trying to discredit Islam because of it’s divisions. Rather, I’m supposing that there is a “core” belief system of Islam that one or more of those groups have distorted or abandoned to some degree. The Muslims I’m sure still have central things that give them some unity in regards to doctrine and practice, but in the views where they do differ, a system has been developed to bolster the case that what they believe and do is right. Maybe I’m all wrong, but hopefully not too far off.

Similar situation in Christianity. Nobody, well, generally speaking, not many people will come to a major global religion like Islam, Hinduism, or Christianity, and make a profound difference in the space of a few years. In order to do that, they will have to depart to some degree and set forth some “new” understanding.

For instance, Raelism (you know, the aliens and cloning), with Raelism, some hotshot could become a Rael follower and really shake it up. It’s so new, it could be totally changed in a decade from now.

But when somebody comes to a long existing faith system, one with the “clout” of Christianity, Islam, etc, you seek to understand the** SYSTEM**, or the worldview that drives that religion.

Ok, I rambled on for too long, I said all that just to say, that part of the system of Catholicism, and similar in the Presbyterian faith, is what’s called “Covenant theology” and “Progressive Relevation.” Basically, God makes known some major things in a step by step manner, and mankind is responsible for what has been revealed up to that current time.

We believe that one of God’s attributes is perfect wisdom. Therefore we believe that God is wise for taking this gradual approach. Part of the wisdom in the method is perhaps that… you have the Israelites surrounded by truly polytheistic cultures, and the monotheistic nature of God’s revelation was quite a contrast. There was no doubt at all, it was “raw monotheism” if you will, no “Trinity” to work through. Of course, there are verses as early as the book of Genesis, from which we get awesome texts to support the Trinity, but for those people, they needed to understand that there is ONE God. And that’s what we believe. But we KNOW more. At least we should… but that’s another story. We know more, but it’s the same God that we know more about.

You made the point that faith should come only after the truth is realized intellectually. We believe that we can have a fuller faith now because of the increased intellectual understanding that comes with it.

We believe that faith comes by hearing, and true faith has 2 essential points of “belief” which require knowing something:

God exists
God is a rewarder of those who seek Him


Hebrews 11:6
 
It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. It is interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic. Stick to this point and you will God willinly succed
 
I would just like to say, my intent in starting this thread isnt to sound antagonistic to any of the members here, nor is it to insult anyone’s faith. Discussion of our doctrines is part of interfaith diaologue, more importantly it is part of how we go about searching and realizing the truth. Yes, we may not agree in what we choose to believe as true, however my job isnt to convert/revert anybody to my doctrine but to deliver the message that i believe to be true, just as im sure most of us here are trying to do with good intentions. And i hope i have maintained a level of respect and wisdom in how i have worded my posts.

I will be replying once more to some of those who have been curteous in their replies and try to bring a conclusion to the thread so as to not let it drag on, unless ofcourse someone feels they have something new to share regarding the topic.
 
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Maranatha:
When Christians say that the Father is in Jesus we do not mean that he was incarnate the same way that Jesus was incarnate.
Thank you for clarifying that. However, this brings us back to my other argument that if the 3 persons of the trinity were not in Jesus, then this suggests the persons of the trinity are not one essence but 3 separate divine bodies with Jesus on earth and the father in heaven. The father isnt doing the acts of jesus, nor is jesus doing the acts of the father.
God is the original creator and is outside the universe. God is also omnipresent and in everything. He is in each person, each molecule and even in empty space. His will sustains everything in it’s existence. Without His presence, each thing would not exist.
Therefore, God the Father was in Jesus as Jesus is in the Father.
Ascribing God with omnipresence might help in arguing for the ‘one essence’ claim of the trinity but it actually brings even more irrational concepts to the discussion.

If God is omnipresent in everything and you are using this argument to prove the trinity and the divinity of Jesus as God, then why not claim God is in all of us, thus ascribe divinity to everything and everyone else?

Furthermore, if God is present in everything, but what about the filthy things of creation? what about the places of evil? what about satan and the devils? what about what is beyond our world, specifically the hellfire. is God then present in the hellfire? How can one maintain God’s perfection, Loftyness, Purity, Holyness, when omnipresence suggests all this?

Omnipresence also suggests further erroneous ideas about God:

“If God was everywhere before He created some things, then where did He create them? To say that He created them inside Himself is absurd. To say that He created them outside Himself contradicts the statement that He is everywhere. To say that God shrank to leave some space for them is absurd. At least it contradicts the assumption that He is infinite. It also leads to the absurdity that whenever anything passes out of existence God extends Himself to fill the empty space.”
From the attributes of God is that He creates and fashions. He created and fashioned all of creation. God also carries the attribute of sustaining creation. God does not have to be inside his creation to have the ability to create or sustain.
Question: Can Alla become man and still remain apart from the universe so as to sustain everything in it’s existence?
Questions like this cannot apply to Almighty God, because God cannot be compared or made similar to man or any other kind of creation. He is far above the characteristics of His creation. God himself is uncreated and unlike his creation, so how can he become a created thing? Questions of this nature cannot be asked or suggested or thought about regarding God.

A reply to the other posts will follow, God willing.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
To be tritheistic, there would have to be three distinct divine natures or essences. There is not. There is only one (mono) Divine nature in the Blessed Trinity.
Yes i know christianity maintains the trinity is one divine nature, this discussion however is more about actually proving this claim.

As for the explanation you posted from Frank sheed, i appreciate you providing that but i did not find it helpful in answering the issues ive brought up in my previous posts. To be honest, i really couldnt make sense out of anything in that explanation.
 
Hashi Al-Eritre:
A reply to the other posts will follow, God willing.
Insya Allah, Our fellow catholics also would reply to your postings as well. 🙂
 
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itsjustdave1988:
God’s single (mono) essence (nature) can be in more than one place at the same time. The physics which govern the material world does not govern Almighty God Himself.
This is exactly why the trinity is incomprehensible. You attribiute singularity to God, yet hes at different places (inside creation as well as outside) at the same time? this is like saying part of God is here, and another part of God is there, and another is somewhere else. Or are you suggesting an omnipresent God? Or are you just saying thats how it is without any way to understand how that is so?

Believing God is above the heavens and the earth maintains God’s perfection and Highness, and frees God from any limitations. As soon as you mix God with the creation, you limit Him to the laws and limitations of creation because you are forced to describe him with a created body and restricted place.

Rob, i will reply to your post next.
 
"This discussion is more about proving the Trinity…"

If Faith could be proven, there would be no freedom, as there would be no free will choice. It would be accept or reject God, and our free will is such a great gift that our God goes to great lengths to protect our right to say,“I will not serve.”
In the words ascribed to Jesus, in a message given on January 23,1989, “Love is your key to unified oneness. Love is your revelation…to understanding the truth of being unified in oneness in the Trinity. Love flows from the Father to the Son and to the Spirit, and it is through love that We flow onto you!
It is through love that you unite to Us and flow with Us in Our Oneness. This is how you are made one in each other…through the Blessed Trinity, where you are one with us.
It is through love that it is all possible…**LOVE!” **

If on the other hand, in this discussion, there is a desire to understand the mystery of the Tinity more clearly, I can quote more on this topic such as :
“It has always been a mystery to my people. The Trinity is three distinct persons: My Father, My Spirit and I, who live together in Unity, as One body.”
 
To hashi

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  1. From what i gather in the first quote, you are saying the father, son, and holyspirit were on earth in Jesus’ human body? However as i read further in your reply, you seem to suggest otherwise because in the second quote and the rest of your response, you refer to Jesus as the Son who took flesh.**

I think you miss to understand that I discussed that the three persons is trinity is distinct from each other, each has free will , each is God whole and entire yet we confess they are one God because they have one essence. Since they have one essence the Father is wholly is the Son and in the Spirit, the Son is wholly in the Father and in the Spirit, and the Spirit is wholly in the Father and the Son, hence one God, short eachh is present in each other.

Since each is distinct, each can have a distinct act example it was by free will of the Son to be born of a woman and the person born was Jesus, the Father and the Spirit did not become flesh yet they are wholly present in the divine nature of the Son when the Son assumed human nature . In that manner the Father and the Spirit in present in the divine nature of Jesus although they did not become incaranate.

**2. In any case, if you claim Jesus was full human and full God (in that God was in Jesus’ body and on earth), then yes God had to have been subjected to space, time, and to law of the human body because you are limiting God to being encompassed in a human body. However, God is God because He runs the affairs of creation above the heavens and the earth, limitless in His power and ability, not bound by the limitations of His creation. I dont gasp how one can claim God (ie. father, son, holy spirit as the trinity says) was in the body of Jesus yet maintain God’s infinite power and ability and knowledge and all the rest of His attributes, and also maintain that God is not bound by time, space, and the laws of creation. Another irrational and incomprehensable notion. **

That is your opinion about God. However Catholic idea of God is different. We call it the “ Scandal of the Incarnation” it says that in short that God in his infinite Glory , how could he become human like us who is nothing is the sight of God.

The catholic idea of God is a God who cares for man.God who need not become human but willed to be human. God became Human and so humanity and all its joys and suffering can be sanctified. God became man so that man can be elevated to God. One psalmist about God “ what is man that you should keep him is mind?” God becoming man was the fulfill of the promise of God to Israel to send a messiah(Isaiah 53:10) God becoming man was an indication that God has faith in man.

If your idea about God is a God who is always in heaven and our idea of God is a God who visit his people and express his love by becoming one of them let us keep that way. Here we go our separate ways.

Catholics are fools in believing this but so be it we are even called the fools of God. Any this is a faith given by By Jesus passed on by the Church stabled by him, its either you accept it or reject it. That is why it is faith because it seems irrational to wise people like you are.

continue…
 
continuation…3. So when its appropriate, its an act of all 3 persons of God, but when its an act thats not appropriate to God, its not an act of all 3 but just Jesus???

Yes, there are acts proper to God and acts proper to man. Example… Jesus said “ destroy this temple and I will raise it up on the third day” here Jesus is speaking about his resurrection , the temple refers to his body. Is it a proper act of man to raise himself from the dead? No. how can he when he is dead. Is it proper to God to raise his human body from the dead? Yes since all life emanates from God. So in the resurrection is the action of the trinity. Another, Jesus forgives sin from his own authority. Is it proper to man to forgive sin? No since only God forgive sin. Is it proper to God to forgive sin ? yes , so when Jesus forgive sin all forgive sin.

Whereas… is eating proper to God? No for God does not become hungry, it is proper to to being human? Yes…so therefore when jesus eats only he eats .

4. As soon as you separate the 3 persons in their state of being and their actions, you separate them into 3 Gods. You can claim over and over again that they have one essence, but when examined rationally it just doesnt hold water. You cannot claim God is One yet speak of the persons of the trinity doing separate things and in separate places.

Here you just ignore my explanation that we do not count God in terms of persons , we count God in their essence. Here we confess, That the Father, Son and HolySpirit are distinct persons, each is God whole and entire, each is a supreme reality but ONE essence. Hence One God because they have but ONE essence they may not act simultaneously.

And while you are confused about this, well not all are confused others do understand…

Not all understand calculus, I expect that not all understand this which is more than calculus. But at least I presented my case.
 
Hashi Al-Eritre:
Christianity has always claimed to be monotheistic, but im struggling to understand how the trinity is a monotheistic concept. If the claim is that ‘God is 3 persons in 1’ then from what i see it is actually a tritheistic concept (the belief that there are three equally powerful gods who form a triad).

I would like an explanation from the christian perspective on the trinity and how it is not ‘tritheistic’.
Hashi Al-Eritre

I am a Roman Catholic, and I thank you for this post. In the past I have pointed out to Muslims that among the various religions in the world, Catholicism is actually the religion which has a LOT IN COMMON with Islam. For example, you believe that Mary was a very holy woman. So also the Catholics. You believe Jesus was a prophet. So also do the Catholics. In fact the lots of things common between Islam and Catholics have made it possible for Muslims and Catholics to talk politely in this forum so much so that Muslim posters have said here in their posts that they like the Catholic Answer Forum because here people are polite, not like in those protestant forums. And I can understand that because in the past, I have said to Protestants that Muslims in a way are BETTER than Protestants because Muslims hold in HIGH RESPECT MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS.

There is something UNUSUAL ABOUT JESUS. UNLIKE US WHO HAVE HUMAN BIOLOGICAL FATHERS, JESUS HAD NO HUMAN BIOLOGICAL FATHER. And as I have just told you above, MUHAMMAD HIMSELF AGREES IN THAT ISA(JESUS) HAD NO HUMAN FATHER!!! How many people do you know who had no human father???
GOD IS GREAT!!! I ALWAYS HEAR THIS FROM MUSLIMS, “GOD IS GREAT!!!” For me and for all Catholics, I suppose, God is not only great, but GOD IS INFINITELY THE GREATEST!!!
We should ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS understand that GOD IS INFINITELY GREAT!!! WE CANNOT WITH OUR LITTLE MINDS UNDERSTAND GOD COMPLETELY. WE CAN ONLY KNOW THE LITTLE OF HIM THAT HE DECIDES TO REVEAL TO US LIKE HE DID TO MOSES(MUSA)!!!. A GOD THAT OUR MINDS CAN COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IS NO GOD, BUT SIMPLY AN INVENTION OF THE HUMAN MIND!!!

This is what this man, who had no human father said, and this is recorded in the Bble, in the Gospel in John 8:12, “Jesus spoke to them again saying, “I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD. WHOEVER FOLLOWS ME WILL NOT WALK IN DARKNESS BUT WILL HAVE THE LIGHT OF LIFE.””
 
Allah has said:

“All that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth glorifies Allah; To Him belongs Dominion; To Him belongs Praise; He is Able to do all things.” (at-Taghabun 64/1)
And He has said:

“Blessed is He Who sent down the Criterion [al-Furqan] to His Servant [Muhammad], that He may warn all creatures. He to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, no son has He begotten; Nor has He any partner in His Dominion. It is He Who created all things and ordered them in due proportions.” (al-Furqan 25/1-2)
And He has said:

“Allah did not beget a son; Nor is there any god along with Him; Otherwise each god would have taken away what he had created and some of them would have lorded over others. May Allah, Be Glorified above all that they allege. He knows what is hidden and what is exposed. May He Be Exalted over all that they ascribe as partners [to Him].” (al-Mu’minun 23/91-92)
And He has said:

“Do not invent similitudes for Allah; Indeed, Allah knows and you know not.” (an-Nahl 16/74)
And He has said:

“Say: My Lord forbids only indecencies whether open or secret, sin and wrongful oppression. You’re associating with Allah that for which no Revelation has been given, and you’re saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge.” (al-A’raf 7/33)
my friend do you see the truth in thiswords??? GOD IS GREAT!!! I ALWAYS HEAR THIS FROM MUSLIMS, “GOD IS GREAT!!!” For me and for all Catholics, I suppose, God is not only great, but GOD IS INFINITELY THE GREATEST!!!
here is an answer to u from Quran “Say He is Allah The One, Allah The Eternal. He never begot, nor was begotten. There is none comparable to Him.”
“He is The First (al-Awwal) and The Last (al-Akhir), The Outward (as-Zahir) and The Inward (al-Batin)12; He is The Knower of All Things.” (al-Hadid 57/3)
 
timur said:
“Blessed is He Who sent down the Criterion [al-Furqan]
to His Servant [Muhammad], that He may warn all creatures. He to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, no son has He begotten; Nor has He any partner in His Dominion. It is He Who created all things and ordered them in due proportions.” (al-Furqan 25/1-2)

If a monotheistic deity is perfect love but does not have a second person to return that love perfectly, then that deity is less then perfect.

Self love is insufficient. In true love, we need to love another person. In a monotheistic deity, that second person would have to have the same essence.
 
This is what this man, who had no human father said, and this is recorded in the Bble, in the Gospel in John 8:12, “Jesus spoke to them again saying, “I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD. WHOEVER FOLLOWS ME WILL NOT WALK IN DARKNESS BUT WILL HAVE THE LIGHT OF LIFE.””
And here is answer to you: The Bible’s New Testament records Jesus saying: ““Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good–except God alone.” (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)”

If Jesus doesn’t consider himself as “good”, then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.
in Mark 10:18 is the word “alone”: ““Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good–except God alone.” (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)”

Jesus in this verse is clearly giving exclusivity to GOD Almighty when he said “alone”. If Jesus was truly part of GOD Almighty and/or the trinity lie was true, then Jesus, to say the least, would not have said that.
 
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Maranatha:
If a monotheistic deity is perfect love but does not have a second person to return that love perfectly, then that deity is less then perfect.

Self love is insufficient. In true love, we need to love another person. In a monotheistic deity, that second person would have to have the same essence.
And He has said:

“So long as they are true to you, be true to them; Indeed, Allah loves those who keep their duty.” (at-Tawbah 9/7)
And He has said:

“Truly, Allah loves those who repent, and loves those who care for cleanliness.” (al-Baqarah 2/222)
And He has said:

“Say, [O Muhammad, to mankind]: If you love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you.” (Al’Imran 3/31)
And He has said:

“Allah will redeem a people whom He loves, and who love Him.” (al-Ma’idah 5/54)
And He has said:

“Indeed, Allah loves those who fight in ranks for His cause, as if they were a solid structure.” (as-Saff 61/4)
And He has said:

“He is The Forgiving, The Loving.” (al-Buruj 85/14)
 
Hashi Al-Eritre:
This is exactly why the trinity is incomprehensible.
Of course, we have an incomprehensible God. Some things about Him can be known, but He has not chosen to reveal everything about His nature. For one, I don’t think we could understand it even if it was revealed, this side of heaven.

According to our Catholic Creed, “The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.” (“Quicunque vult” or “Athanasian Creed”, newadvent.org/cathen/02033b.htm)
You attribiute singularity to God, yet hes at different places (inside creation as well as outside) at the same time?
God is not mixed with creation, but distinct from it. The Hypostatic union of divine and human natures within God the Son is a perfect union of divine and human natures, whereas the divine and created essences are not confounded, nor the Divine essence divided. Yet, the Divine nature perfectly united to the human nature in Christ is the effective cause of His impeccability. The human nature of Jesus could not will something contrary to His divine nature. God hasn’t revealed how the Hypostatic Union works, but that it is so.

Remember that God’s attributes, according to Catholic theology, include not only Unity, but also Infinitude, which implies Omnipresence and Omnipotence. You and I may not be able to comprehend such a union which perfectly unites without confounding the entities, but nothing is impossible with an omnipotent God. God cannot be limited by his own creation, thus he transcends time and space, even in His very essence.
this is like saying part of God is here, and another part of God is there, and another is somewhere else.
No, it’s more like saying that God can share his Divine nature more perfectly that we can share things. When I share a soda with another, for example, I have to give up part of it. I don’t get to have all of it, and the person I share it with doesn’t get to have all of it. However, in God’s more perfect way of sharing, think of a soda that can be shared with another, yet each person has the WHOLE soda, and not just part. It’s still one soda, yet it is shared perfectly in such a way that we cannot, but God can.

A closer analogy is love. Love is not like a jar full of M&Ms that once shared, implies less M&Ms (less love) for the next person. If you love another, does that imply that you will have less love to share with others? Can’t you give all your love to more than one person? This seems to be a better approximation to how God can share. God is love, so His nature, His Divine essence is like a jar of M&Ms which has no limit, an endless supply of M&Ms, and when God is said to be “in a place” per suum essentiam (through His essence), then the essence of God is perfectly shared such that it contains the place, by the application of His power through His essence, without confounding the Divine with the created.

His omnipresence is not “some God here” and “some God there” but “ALL of God’s essence here” and “ALL of God’s essence there.” Yet, not two distinct essences, but the VERY SAME essence in more than one place at once. A perfectly shared single soda, where more than one person gets to drink the same single and WHOLE soda.

to be continued…
 
continued…

Thus, according to a Doctor of Catholicism, St. Thomas Aquinas, an angel is “in a place” by the application of his power to the place. Non-corporeal substances (like God and angels) are not “contained” by the place they are in, but more correctly are said to "virtually contain" the thing or place by their their power. Thus, St. Thomas implies that God is “in a place” by the application of His power to the place. God can be said to apply power *per suum effectum *(through His effect) and *per suum essentiam *(through His essence).

So, St. Thomas Aquinas asserts that God is present even in the hell of the damned, per suum effectum (through His effect), yet not per suum essentiam (through His essence). So, God is not present, in the normal sense of the word, among the damned, in essence. Although God can be multipresent or even omnipresent in His essence if he so chooses, we do not content He is omnipresent in essence at this very moment, but certainly is omnipresent through His effect. We do contend God is multipresent *in his essence, *at this very moment, which is certaintly possible for an omnipotent God.

Thus, His power is present everywhere, even in hell, as His effect is the source of all being, even in the eternal punishment of the damned. His Divine essence is present in many sacred places at the same time, but not everywhere.

Can you tell me why Almighty God, in your view, can be limited by his own creation of time and space? What physically can limit an almighty God is such a way? Why is it that you insist God cannot be, in His very essence, in more than one place at the same time?
 
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