(Continued from the previous post…)
Neithan:
So we clearly have a dilemma. Christ and God the Father are one, and yet they are two Persons who communicate to one another. How do we reconcile this, considering all Scripture is equally weighted inerrant Truth? . . .
Here Christ explicitly admonishes His disciples to baptise, not only in the name of the Father–but the Son and the Holy Spirit. Does this mean there are three Gods? Impossible, as Christ has already explained to them that He, the Father, and the Spirit are One. So, we must conclude that our One God is Three, one Name with three parts, one Nature with Three Persons. This is a great mystery revealed.
Here you are adducing John 10 and 14 to establish the type of unity that exists within the Trinity:
John 10:
30 I and [my] Father are one.
John 14:
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
I quite agree that the scriptures portray the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as being united in One. I also entirely agree with you that we should look at what all the scriptures say, not just one or two verses in isolation. That means that the above verses should be read in conjunction with the following:
John 17:
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me,
that they may be one, as we are.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all
may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;
that they may be one, even as we are one:
23
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
These verses are indeed very interesting. They teach not only that we, or all the disciples of Jesus, will be
made one with the Father and the Son; but they teach that
the nature of that unity will be of exactly the same as the unity that exists between the Father and the Son. That means that if your theology of the Trinity is valid, then there will no longer be a “Trinity” at all, but there will be a “Million-
inity”, because we will all merge into the same conglomeration of unity that currently exists between the Father and the Son. That leaves your theology of the Trinity in tatters.
I have also read the quotes from the Catechism posted by Robert in SD in post #22, and frankly they don’t make any sense to me. I don’t think they make any sense to you. I don’t think they made sense to those who wrote it.
I think that you need to decide whether the Trinity is mystery that you don’t understand; or whether you claim it is a revealed knowledge that you can clearly define. If you claim that it is a mystery that you don’t understand (as you appear to), then you shouldn’t attempt to define it. You should simply state that the Trinity is a “three in one” mystery that we don’t understand, and leave it at that. Anybody who tries to define a mystery that by their own admission they don’t understand is going to look silly. If on the other hand you claim that the Trinity is something that you do understand and define, then that definition must be clear and understandable to any intelligent person. What on earth is a “consubstantial Trinity”? That is unheard of in the Bible. Show me where it says anything like that in the Bible.
amgid
, I personally have many, but the most efficient one is the one which tells me repeatedly: There is no god but Allah and Muhammad in the messenger of Allah. It sends a very calming wave through my heavily indoctrinated body, which automatically says the name of Allah (SWT) on almost everything I do. Have you ever seen a more brainwashed guy?
