The Trinity

[wittgenstein]

Although I am a Unitarian ( actually Untarianism is tolerant of many beliefs. There is a wide spectrum of beliefs within the Unitarian church) I have great respect for the trinity. I see nothing illogical about it. My analogy is; when one is dreaming one is the actor, script writer and scenery creator. Sometimes I as the actor am surprised by new scenery or a twist in the script. However, I am all three!

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

Although I am a Unitarian ( actually Untarianism is tolerant of many beliefs. There is a wide spectrum of beliefs within the Unitarian church) I have great respect for the trinity. I see nothing illogical about it. My analogy is; when one is dreaming one is the actor, script writer and scenery creator. Sometimes I as the actor am surprised by new scenery or a twist in the script. However, I am all three!

Hi dear friend,

And welcome. I may or may not be back here, but I thought I’d just point out that you did not ask a question or say anything that elicits a response here. I just don’t want you to be disappointed if no one replies. Constructive criticism dear friend. Just so you know. Hope it helps.

Bless you and yours +++

John

 

[wittgenstein]

Thanks for the constructive criticism. I will pose a question then,is my analogy legitimate?

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

Thanks for the constructive criticism. I will pose a question then,is my analogy legitimate?

My dear friend,

Your analogy is fine. But God is unknowable in reality. A human mind cannot really properly even begin to grasp the slightest bit about God. There is endless things about God that are totally foreign to a finite human mind. A fallen human mind has much more trouble. But we know a bit about God for sure. So, your analogy is fine but like any analogy incomplete. Hope this helps dear friend?

Blessings and peace to you and yours +++

John

 

[zro_x]

I may be a week late, but welcome to CAF, Wittgenstein.

In regards to you question, I don’t think your analogy is entirely accurate. You are still one person when you sleep and act as script writer and set designer, even though you don’t realize it. God, from my understanding, is three different conscious minds that are absolutely indistinguishable from one another. Which is to say, all three minds have exactly the same nature. A better analogy might be three clones, or better still, three electrons.

John Russell Jr., I think that at least most aspects of the nature of God are understandable, given enough time and energy. That is to say, we can concieve of most mysteries. The problem arises when we try to immagine what it would be like to be in that situation. For example, we can concieve of the idea of omnipresence, but we can not begin to immagine what it would be like to be omnipresent.

 

[capablanca911]

That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Although I am a Unitarian ( actually Untarianism is tolerant of many beliefs. There is a wide spectrum of beliefs within the Unitarian church) I have great respect for the trinity. I see nothing illogical about it. My analogy is; when one is dreaming one is the actor, script writer and scenery creator. Sometimes I as the actor am surprised by new scenery or a twist in the script. However, I am all three!

My favorite analogy is:

The Father is the spring from which all water comes from. The Son is a river, which leads to the sea (Holy Spirit). There is one substance (water), but three persons (spring, river, sea). It also helps me better understand the procession of the Holy Spirit and the filioque. St. Patrick used a shamrock to help the Irish better understand the Trinity. :shamrock2: