The true meaning of Amoris Laetitia?

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PJM I think you have issues and your inability to respond to rational explanation with equally sequitorial rationality is pretty much what the ancient Greeks referred to as “idio-tes”. Those caught up only with their own view and incapable of public converse. The opposite of which are the “poli-tes”, those who can. You are sincere but unfortunately it seems not well capable in the skills of ancient politics.
God bless, I wont be engaging you further for that reason.
Thank you for kind subjective response my friend,

May God guide guide and bless you

Patrick
 
Yes I agree with you some resolution must be made. No it has not been made here yet. However, there are some who know more than the Pope on this forum and believe the thoughts in AL are wrong.

One has indicated he has a disdain for priests more academically inclined. Isn’t it sad the Holy Spirit inspired that Pope Francis be pope albeit he is not “academically inclined” as much.

Quite frankly we seem to be short on priests “in the trenches” doing the work of Christ which included Mercy, Forgiveness and a thought that the Pope is the successor of Peter and sits at the head of the Church.

I always wonder what advanced degrees people on here disagreeing with AL have that make them feel more academic than the Pope (or pastor training, experience and knowledge to mention a few others.)
I’d argue the concerns being raised need to be addressed if we’re to make any progress together as a Church on this issue, and to be resolved with charity just as importantly as they should asked with charity. It’s not simply a matter of “if they don’t get it, it’s their own fault” or they’re “bad Catholics” or indeed that everyone who thinks there has/can be a change in teaching is a “heretic”. If it’s really the Holy Spirit, one would think the Holy Spirits wishes were communicable so that the Body of Christ, His Church, can continue forwards together.

Regardless of which interpretation of AL you may support, the way “AL” has been gone about as an “event” is pretty unsatisfactory if I’m honest. If the discussions at the Synod were so amicable and conclusively the work of the Holy Spirit, then a resolution would have been passed with the required 2/3 majority that overtly stated that in certain cases unmarried couples could engage in sexual activity. Following that Amoris laetitia would have said the same, in unambiguous terms, and given thorough convincing justifications of “what and why” a change on Communion had been made. That’s particularly important since HC in these instances was always prohibited in the past and this was reiterated in Familiaris consortio fairly recently.

Instead we’re in the unfortunate situation that the Synods were not amicable (the arguments and disagreements are a matter of public record), questions were raised over their organisation and participants, the resulting document was vague, and that Amoris Laetitia is similarly vague in cruicial areas (you could read it both ways on the issue of Holy Communion). The lack of formal clarification during the months after its initial release led to further confusion as several Bishops released their own guidance which has been contradictory in their interpretation of AL. The Pope won’t talk about it in public (the Buenos Aires letter is his only mention of it), which naturally leads to questions as to why he wont speak on it publicly, especially in the light of the dubia. Again, regardless of whether we support them or not, you wouldn’t think a request for clarification would be so controversial. If the exhortation were written with an interpretation in mind, why the games to avoid teaching that interpretation decisively and repeatedly?

The real tragedy is that the way it has been gone about, aside from the scandal of public division over the Church’s teachings, is that the Synod process broke down to such an extent that we’re potentially in a worse situation than when we started, and the fighting over Ch8 of AL has overshadowed everything else discussed in the Synod and the content of the other chapters. I honestly don’t think that anyone is “winning” in the present situation, everyone comes out of it looking terrible.
 
…Regardless of which interpretation of AL you may support…

…the resulting document was vague, and that Amoris Laetitia is similarly vague in cruicial areas (you could read it both ways on the issue of Holy Communion)…
I don’t see many who believe AL maintains the position adopted by Familiaris Consortio. In fact, I only came across that suggestion quite early after the release of AL.
 
I don’t see many who believe AL maintains the position adopted by Familiaris Consortio. In fact, I only came across that suggestion quite early after the release of AL.
The only persons who could consider AL vague on this point are those who naiively believe erudite Latin Europeans “say it as it is” the way that working class Brits or colonials do.

If there was any doubt the favourably received Guidelines of both Argentina and Malta have certainly screamed, in terms of Latin sensitivities, how Pope Francis is to be understood in AL.

Nobody I know who is up with the play and actually reads and reflects on actual texts (as opposed to the incessant spin of 3rd party media channels) says otherwise…even if they don’t understand how Pope Francvis came to those conclusions.
 
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I don’t deny technical failure of the Tribunal is the only basis,… however it is the one that the previous two Popes always said still needed to be worked on. And given that I believe in Magisterial harmony (unlike some here) it would be a natural interpretation of AL that this is also Pope Francis’s primary inspiration.
Well, having had a re-read you are right there is nothing explicit. But then this is an exhortation so we cannot expect him to get stuck explicitly into Canonical aspects of the validity of the first marriage per se I suppose.

Admittedly points 291 to 312 are about discerning and weakness.
Clearly enough many worthy cases are not strong enough, together enough educated enough or wealthy enough to tick all the tribunal boxes before entering into a new relationship to relationship. Many are likely too desperate or traumatised to stop and think too much of these niceties…though some will surely have considered themselves in conscience free before God to so remarry.

Is it grave objective sin not to tick Church positive law boxes first when life hits you like a freight train or you are not a monk or cleric with lots of education and time to reflect and enquire as to the right way to do things? Is it grave sin to put your life and your children’s on hold while the Church takes years to make up its mind (or witnesses to come forward) about the status of your first marriage. And if you know there was something wrong from the start and also you are smart enough to know there are no witnesses, apart from your unhelpful husband, is it a grave sin to marry again and attempt the doomed tribunal niceties later?

And even if the above are grave sins (I think not so much myself) they are surely weaknesses in any case and therefore covered by AL.

I was interested to discover AL likens irregular marriages to other religions. They are not pretend religions, nor are all marriages pretend marriages:

292 “Some forms of union radically contradict this ideal (full marriage), while others realize it in at least a partial and analogous way. The Synod Fathers stated that the Church does not disregard the constructive elements in those situations which do not yet or no longer correspond to her teaching on marriage.”

So you are perhaps right here, like Protestant’s…if they believe what we believe about Communion they may participate…likewise if couples in their irregular situation see their marriage expressing all the values that Christians do…perhaps there is an argument for Communion. But then, that implicitly requires reflection on the status of the first marriage for faithfulness is a core Catholic value. Yet the DP process allows for this reflection and conclusion to take place outside of a juridical process…with implications for Communion.

Admittedly, above is not expressly about 2nd marriages but perhaps 1st irregular ones.
Though 297 and following suggests its both types referred to above with little distinction.
Which favours your view.

So then we come to 300. Al says:
“If we consider the immense variety of concrete situations such as those I have mentioned,
it is understandable that neither the Synod nor this Exhortation could be expected to provide a new set of general rules, canonical in nature and applicable to all cases.”

So this is probably the closest we get to explicitly referring to Tribunal processes.
It is then an admission that positive law cannot easily cope with the complexity of all cases we see today…that would seem to implicate even tribunals.
It introduces doubt into ever clearly defining the status before God of marriages (that is in fact denied by one or both “spouses” ) which at a juridical level cannot always discover what God may well see.

However the personal DP process can…at least wrt Communion or Confessional access.
“the consequences or effects of a rule need not necessarily always be the
same.”

The Argentinian draft from memory is more explicit in relating aspects of AL to the tribunal process and findings but that’s another read to do.
 
  1. A great number of synod fathers emphasized the need to make the procedure in cases of nullity more accessible and less time-consuming, and, if possible, at no expense. They proposed, among others, the dispensation of the requirement of second instance for confirming sentences; the possibility of establishing an administrative means under the jurisdiction of the diocesan bishop; and a simple process to be used in cases where nullity is clearly evident. Some synod fathers, however, were opposed to these proposals, because they felt that they would not guarantee a reliable judgment. In all these cases, the synod fathers emphasized the primary character of ascertaining the truth about the validity of the marriage bond. Among other proposals, the role which faith plays in persons who marry could possibly be examined in ascertaining the validity of the Sacrament of Marriage, all the while maintaining that the marriage of two baptized Christians is always a sacrament.
vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/documents/rc_synod_doc_20141018_relatio-synodi-familia_en.html

Isn’t the last sentence from the above quoted Relatio Synodi (2014) indicating that the inadequacy of the tribunal process have left a need to decentralize the discernment process.

And Isn’t the Motu Proprio (2015) regarding reform and decentralization of the annulment process a further indication of the direction the Church is taking.

Furthermore, isn’t AL (2016) a further cultivation of said reform and decentralization - a step further still into a merciful treatment of the situations that the faithful find themselves in.
 
vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/documents/rc_synod_doc_20141018_relatio-synodi-familia_en.html

Isn’t the last sentence from the above quoted Relatio Synodi (2014) indicating that the inadequacy of the tribunal process have left a need to decentralize the discernment process.

And Isn’t the Motu Proprio (2015) regarding reform and decentralization of the annulment process a further indication of the direction the Church is taking.

Furthermore, isn’t AL (2016) a further cultivation of said reform and decentralization - a step further still into a merciful treatment of the situations that the faithful find themselves in.
Thankyou for this insightful post. It reminds us of the linkages of AL with the Synod discussions …which in turn links to FS, and also explains the place of the Canonical status of the 1st marriage re the remarried in ALs reasoning re access to Confession and Communion.
Here are the relevant paragraphs:
  1. The synod father also considered the possibility of giving the divorced and remarried access to the Sacraments of Penance and the Eucharist. Various synod fathers insisted on maintaining the present discipline, because of the constitutive relationship between participation in the Eucharist and communion with the Church as well as her teaching on the indissoluble character of marriage. Others proposed a more individualized approach, permitting access in certain situations and with certain well-defined conditions, primarily in irreversible situations and those involving moral obligations towards children who would have to endure unjust suffering. Access to the sacraments might take place if preceded by a penitential practice, determined by the diocesan bishop. The subject needs to be thoroughly examined, bearing in mind the distinction between an objective sinful situation and extenuating circumstances, given that “imputability and responsibility for an action can be diminished or even nullified by ignorance, inadvertence, duress, fear, habit, inordinate attachments, and other psychological or social factors” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1735).
  1. Some synod fathers maintained that divorced and remarried persons or those living together can have fruitful recourse to a spiritual communion. Others raised the question as to why, then, they cannot have access to sacramental Communion. As a result, the synod fathers requested that further theological study in the matter with a view to making clear the distinctive features of the two forms and their connection with the theology of marriage.
 
CONTINUED…
I was particularly interested in the boldened part in the below quote.
  1. The synod father also considered the possibility of giving the divorced and remarried access to the Sacraments of Penance and the Eucharist. Various synod fathers insisted on maintaining the present discipline, because of the constitutive relationship between participation in the Eucharist and communion with the Church as well as her teaching on the indissoluble character of marriage. Others proposed a more individualized approach, permitting access in certain situations and with certain well-defined conditions, primarily in irreversible situations and those involving moral obligations towards children who would have to endure unjust suffering. Access to the sacraments might take place if preceded by a penitential practice, determined by the diocesan bishop. The subject needs to be thoroughly examined, bearing in mind the distinction between an objective sinful situation and extenuating circumstances, given that “imputability and responsibility for an action can be diminished or even nullified by ignorance, inadvertence, duress, fear, habit, inordinate attachments, and other psychological or social factors” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1735).
  1. Some synod fathers maintained that divorced and remarried persons or those living together can have fruitful recourse to a spiritual communion. Others raised the question as to why, then, they cannot have access to sacramental Communion. As a result, the synod fathers requested that further theological study in the matter with a view to making clear the distinctive features of the two forms and their connection with the theology of marriage.
Present Communion rules are clearly considered a potentially changable practice not a doctrine as such.

And those who want the current practice maintained…what doctrine do they link it to…they link it to “a sign of community with the Church” and affirmation of “indissolubility of marriage”.

But in AL it is clear Pope Francis sees some types of the divorced and remarried still within the bosom of the Church, especially those who are more victim than initiator, those who remarried to provide for the kids, those with irreversibly broken first marriages, those who always believed the first marriage never really there. These he sees in objectively disordered 2nd marriages (even if tribunals have failed them) but subjectively unlikely culpable and therefore in grace. THESE PERSONS ARE THEREFORE STILL IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE CHURCH DESPITE THEIR EVIL OBJECTIVE SITUATION. Therefore there is no intrinsic reason for them to be denied Communion.
I had never realised this is where Pope Francis is coming from in AL. But this document makes it very clear.

Clearly then in AL he sees no intrinsic doctrine (they are fully in Communion with Jesus despite their objective disorder) why these may not receive Communion.

Likewise he does not see them intrinsically contradicting Jesus’s teaching on indissolubility. Like many other religions many are still living the core marriage values that the Catholic Church has in fullness. They are not all pagan, they can be embraced even unto Communion for some.
Which ones? Those cases clearly defined in this document as well as in AL. Those where despite the Tribunal not finding such, those remarried who were more victims of divorce than perpetrators, those who always believed there was something deeply wrong with the marriage from the start.
Sure their 2nd marriage is disordered. But if it still has most of the values of a Christian marriage then Communion is possible. Clearly a 2nd marriage can never be a Sacramental marriage if the 1st remains putatively valid. To this extent it remains disordered. However such a disorder does not bar from Communion intrinsically.
Such as always been allowed, with dispensation, for cases of disparity of cult.
 
“From a communications point of view, ‘Amoris Laetitia’ is a shipwreck.”

Fr. Dwight Longenecker, writing in Crux
Fr Dwight is a bit of a show pony here.
He begins a false humility saying he is not a moral theologian or a canon lawyer but a busy pastor who hasnt got time to read all the debate and ins and outs.

Yet as we read on he clearly is very well informed of all the ins and outs. He also clearly disagrees with the Popes now clear position though he hides it well in a " were confused" smokescreen reminiscent of certain Cardinals.

Was Jesuss teaching on transubstantiation a comms and PR disaster? Yes it was.
Was his teaching on the true nature of marriage the same? Yes it was, it went down like a lead balloon.

Some teachings are just very hard abnd most are unable to accept the first time. There is no way to communicate them well. It just takes time for the penny to drop.
That is what is happening with AL.

The penny is dropping…its just that some cannot stand the wait…usually those with the most to lose.
 
Yes I agree with you some resolution must be made. No it has not been made here yet. However, there are some who know more than the Pope on this forum and believe the thoughts in AL are wrong.

One has indicated he has a disdain for priests more academically inclined. Isn’t it sad the Holy Spirit inspired that Pope Francis be pope albeit he is not “academically inclined” as much.

Quite frankly we seem to be short on priests “in the trenches” doing the work of Christ which included Mercy, Forgiveness and a thought that the Pope is the successor of Peter and sits at the head of the Church.

I always wonder what advanced degrees people on here disagreeing with AL have that make them feel more academic than the Pope (or pastor training, experience and knowledge to mention a few others.)
**My dear friend in Christ,

I’m hesitant to respond to your highlighted comments, but as an INFORMED AND FULLY PRACTICING ROMAN CATHOLIC, i feel obligated to do so for out late entry friend.

The real issue sadly has become can ANY Pope ever be in error. Our Recorded History answers in the affirmative. It has happened twice before.

YOU my friend are hanging one ONE SINGULAR SUBJECTIVE document; while I OFFERED YOU the OPPORTUNITY to view more than 100+ that disagree OBJECTIVELY {WITH EVIDENCE} with you and the single argument you keep repeating… Just send me a private message and I’ll back up my offer:shrug:

Friend, even the POPE cannot change what GOD & the bible clearly and precisely TEACH and the Catholic Ordinary Magisterium have with COMPLETE and unerring Divinely Inspired, long defined DOGMAS have declared as THEE singular DEFINED TRUTHS of our Faith. on these issues. That evidence is included in the documents that I will gladly supply.

The fact that the evidence does NOT agree with your personal potions OBJECTIVELY, tends to display your prejudices. So you keep claiming that WE who DISAGREE, don’t accept the Pope… which is NOT TRUE>

We do accept the POPE when CLEARLY teaching on Faith and Morals that FULLY CONFORM to the bible, canon law, the Catechism and SACRED Tradition. AMEN**!

May God guide your path,

Patrick

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Begs the question though - what if the first marriage is putatively valid but is known (to the participants) to be invalid.

Certainly Church rules forbid another marriage absent a definitive Tribunal finding. Does God deem that also to be the standard?
The situation of a first marriage being objectively invalid while appearing to be valid is certainly a difficult case, and one that may merit careful dispensation. After all, an invalid marriage is certainly invalid before a tribunal even picks up the case, as the function of this body is to recognize the absence of the Sacrament despite appearances to the contrary. Full disclosure, I was in such a situation many years ago when I first came into the Church, long before Amoris Laetitia, and while I still had to go through the Annulment process I was counseled that my situation was not as irregular as it appeared from the outside, and that it would actually take more work for my first marriage to be recognized than to have it annulled. I was comfortable in receiving Communion, and was counseled to do so.

The fundamental problem with Amoris Laetitia, and many of the Bishops’ guidelines that some object to, is that this argument and avenue of discernment is not the one addressed. Instead the matter is addressed from the angle of subjective culpability when dealing with actual grave matter. These documents do not discuss the case of the couple that appears to be in sin but in fact is not due to the appearances differing from the facts, but rather the couples where the facts may indeed include actual violation (culpable or not) of a Sacramental Marriage, but in which the circumstances present great difficulties in the way of rectifying the situation. It is one thing to say that there appeared to be a crime when in fact there was not, a la a murder in which the “victim” actually ran away and drowned in the lake as opposed to being killed and dumped there, another to say that the person that killed the victim is not culpable due to ignorance or mental illness. Both situations merit consideration, but they are not the same.

If the matter of divorce and remarriage had been addressed by highlighting the difficult cases in which a tribunal may in fact fail at its purpose and function then I’m sure we still would hear grumbling about the sky falling due to the apparent change in discipline, but the scope of the teaching would be limited to the difficult application of fundamental and long-standing moral principles. Many would still complain, but it would be more along the lines of those that complain about liturgical changes or the use of the vernacular in the Mass. By instead going after the fundamental moral principles themselves, such as objective and subjective sin and culpability, ignorance of moral precepts, and difficulty in balancing conflicting moral demands, this teaching is on much shakier ground, and requires much more careful explanation and clear direction then we have received so far.

To my mind there are some key, fundamental problems with the reasoning presented by those that support the more “lenient” interpretation of Amoris Laetitia. For starters, while ignorance can certainly mitigate culpability for a grave action, the entire thrust of Amoris Laetitia is that we are called to grow in understanding and Holiness through the assistance of the Church and its ministry. If I was ignorant when I first committed a sin, it should be presumed that my ignorance will diminish with the guidance of the Church such that my continued embrace of that sin will be more culpable, not less, after discernment. Somehow, though, the arguments for the “liberal” interpretation appear to suggest that the ignorance and diminished culpability will continue after discernment and spiritual direction, which would seem to undercut the entire mission of the ministry of the Church, namely to grow in closeness to God. Another fundamental problem is that in arguing that circumstances following a grave act can prevent one from actively turning towards virtue even when the ignorance is removed seems to indicate that Grace is not sufficient to overcome sin, but rather only powerlessness and ignorance can do so by mitigating our culpability to nothing. Rather than a growth towards Holiness through the assistance of the Sacraments, it is ultimately an argument for maintaining ignorance and piling up insurmountable barriers to virtue so that no one may be culpable for their actions.

If access to the Sacraments is the beginning of a journey towards reconciling oneself to God, I can see how that is worth exploring new disciplines in administering the Sacraments. The arguments so far, however, seem to indicate that once we’ve established that there was ignorance in the beginning, and great difficulties in the way of changing once the ignorance or emotional turmoil is removed or distant, then the discernment is finished and return to the Sacraments is warranted, full stop. In other words, if return to the Sacraments is meant to strengthen the resolve to reform the objectively sinful situation, then I can see how it would be pastoral and merciful if appropriate even when the Canons seem to indicate otherwise. If reform of the objectively sinful situation is first abandoned as untenable, and then Sacraments are restored (as seems to be the case in the line of argument presented so far) then I can’t help but see this as a lack of Faith in the Sacraments, and in the power of Grace to overcome sin.

These problems have far reaching implications beyond the discipline of who can and can’t publicly receive the Eucharist; they cut to the fundamental principles that guide all moral discernment, and to our understanding of Grace and the efficacy of the Sacraments.

Peace and God bless!
 
PJM I think you have issues and your inability to respond to rational explanation with equally sequitorial rationality is pretty much what the ancient Greeks referred to as “idio-tes”. Those caught up only with their own view and incapable of public converse. The opposite of which are the “poli-tes”, those who can. You are sincere but unfortunately it seems not well capable in the skills of ancient politics.
God bless, I wont be engaging you further for that reason.
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PATRICK
 
The situation of a first marriage being objectively invalid while appearing to be valid is certainly a difficult case, and one that may merit careful dispensation. After all, an invalid marriage is certainly invalid before a tribunal even picks up the case, as the function of this body is to recognize the absence of the Sacrament despite appearances to the contrary. Full disclosure, I was in such a situation many years ago when I first came into the Church, long before Amoris Laetitia, and while I still had to go through the Annulment process I was counseled that my situation was not as irregular as it appeared from the outside, and that it would actually take more work for my first marriage to be recognized than to have it annulled. I was comfortable in receiving Communion, and was counseled to do so.

The fundamental problem with Amoris Laetitia, and many of the Bishops’ guidelines that some object to, is that this argument and avenue of discernment is not the one addressed. Instead the matter is addressed from the angle of subjective culpability when dealing with actual grave matter. These documents do not discuss the case of the couple that appears to be in sin but in fact is not due to the appearances differing from the facts, but rather the couples where the facts may indeed include actual violation (culpable or not) of a Sacramental Marriage, but in which the circumstances present great difficulties in the way of rectifying the situation. It is one thing to say that there appeared to be a crime when in fact there was not, a la a murder in which the “victim” actually ran away and drowned in the lake as opposed to being killed and dumped there, another to say that the person that killed the victim is not culpable due to ignorance or mental illness. Both situations merit consideration, but they are not the same.

If the matter of divorce and remarriage had been addressed by highlighting the difficult cases in which a tribunal may in fact fail at its purpose and function then I’m sure we still would hear grumbling about the sky falling due to the apparent change in discipline, but the scope of the teaching would be limited to the difficult application of fundamental and long-standing moral principles. Many would still complain, but it would be more along the lines of those that complain about liturgical changes or the use of the vernacular in the Mass. By instead going after the fundamental moral principles themselves, such as objective and subjective sin and culpability, ignorance of moral precepts, and difficulty in balancing conflicting moral demands, this teaching is on much shakier ground, and requires much more careful explanation and clear direction then we have received so far.

To my mind there are some key, fundamental problems with the reasoning presented by those that support the more “lenient” interpretation of Amoris Laetitia. For starters, while ignorance can certainly mitigate culpability for a grave action, the entire thrust of Amoris Laetitia is that we are called to grow in understanding and Holiness through the assistance of the Church and its ministry. If I was ignorant when I first committed a sin, it should be presumed that my ignorance will diminish with the guidance of the Church such that my continued embrace of that sin will be more culpable, not less, after discernment. Somehow, though, the arguments for the “liberal” interpretation appear to suggest that the ignorance and diminished culpability will continue after discernment and spiritual direction, which would seem to undercut the entire mission of the ministry of the Church, namely to grow in closeness to God. Another fundamental problem is that in arguing that circumstances following a grave act can prevent one from actively turning towards virtue even when the ignorance is removed seems to indicate that Grace is not sufficient to overcome sin, but rather only powerlessness and ignorance can do so by mitigating our culpability to nothing. Rather than a growth towards Holiness through the assistance of the Sacraments, it is ultimately an argument for maintaining ignorance and piling up insurmountable barriers to virtue so that no one may be culpable for their actions.

If access to the Sacraments is the beginning of a journey towards reconciling oneself to God, I can see how that is worth exploring new disciplines in administering the Sacraments. The arguments so far, however, seem to indicate that once we’ve established that there was ignorance in the beginning, and great difficulties in the way of changing once the ignorance or emotional turmoil is removed or distant, then the discernment is finished and return to the Sacraments is warranted, full stop. In other words, if return to the Sacraments is meant to strengthen the resolve to reform the objectively sinful situation, then I can see how it would be pastoral and merciful if appropriate even when the Canons seem to indicate otherwise. If reform of the objectively sinful situation is first abandoned as untenable, and then Sacraments are restored (as seems to be the case in the line of argument presented so far) then I can’t help but see this as a lack of Faith in the Sacraments, and in the power of Grace to overcome sin.

These problems have far reaching implications beyond the discipline of who can and can’t publicly receive the Eucharist; they cut to the fundamental principles that guide all moral discernment, and to our understanding of Grace and the efficacy of the Sacraments.

Peace and God bless!
I think this is the best analysis I have seen. 👍
 
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