The Truth About Islam

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It is a mud-slinging competition, my dear friend Jakasaki. What we are seeing here is no different than when Muslims here and everywhere deflect criticism of their religion and its awful effect on the world by pointing it towards anything else they can. “Well what about when Christians do this?”, “Well what about the USA when it does this?”, “Well, that’s just the fault of anti-Islamic people”, “That is not true Islam”, etc. etc.

Instead of defending their religion by showing that it is what they say it is in the face of available evidence to the contrary, they throw mud against the wall and go with whatever will stick. It’s really sad.
 
friendship said:
My friend, these are not news. These are lies.
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**Friday, 15 March, 2002, 12:19 GMT

Saudi police ‘stopped’ fire rescue

Saudi Arabia’s religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.

In a rare criticism of the kingdom’s powerful “mutaween” police, the Saudi media has accused them of hindering attempts to save 15 girls who died in the fire on Monday.

According to the al-Eqtisadiah daily, firemen confronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wearing the headscarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islam.

The Saudi Gazette quoted witnesses as saying that the police - known as the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice - had stopped men who tried to help the girls and warned “it is a sinful to approach them”.

The father of one of the dead girls said that the school watchman even refused to open the gates to let the girls out.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm**
 
friendship said:
As your history books say Christians in 1099 killed men, women and children muslim in Jursalim, Is that means Christianity orders to kill women and children?
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Whoa there dear child from religion of “love”… HISTORY MY DEAR… history… put it in place!!!

Part 1 of ( I don’t know how many posts yet)…

634-644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.

635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus.

636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.

637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636).

638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.

638-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.

639-642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.

641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.

643-707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.

644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.

644-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.

656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son-in-law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet’s daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.

656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad’s wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman’s assassination. Ali’s partisans win.

657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali

661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali’s supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.

661-680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus

673-678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire

680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad’s grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.

691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad’s death.

705 Abd al-Malik restores Umayyad rule.

710-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.

711-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.

719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governorship.

732 The Muslim Crusaders are stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance.

749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids.

756 Foundation of Umayyid emirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids.

762 Foundation of Baghdad

785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova

789 Rise of Idrisid emirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.

800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia.

807 Caliph Harun al-Rashid orders the destruction of non-Muslim prayer houses and of the Church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.

809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy.

813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country.

831 Muslim Crusaders capture of Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy.

850 Caliph al-Matawakkil orders the destruction of non-Muslim houses of prayer.

855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)

837-901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France.

869-883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq

909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia.

928-969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969).

937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places.

937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked .

960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam

966 Anti-Christian riots in Jerusalem

969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo.

c. 970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East.

973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids.
 
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1003 First persecutions by al-Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed.

1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al-Hakim (see 937)

1012 Beginning of al-Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians

1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses.

1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus

1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed

1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (also known as Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law.

1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate.

1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection

1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia.

1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine.

1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)

1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia.

1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana.

1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies.

1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca.

1090-1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands.

1094 Byzantine Emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970.
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1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099**
 
friendship said:
As your history books say Christians in 1099 killed men, women and children muslim in Jursalim, Is that means Christianity orders to kill women and children?
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My post #227 & #228 has a little history lesson for you to study up.

Perhaps when this was covered in school you were snoozing!

Oh that’s right, I’m sorry,

I’m sure you weren’t properly educated about the islamic conquests of lands for hundreds & hundreds of years before the “Crusades” were launched.!!!
 
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As your history books say Christians in 1099 killed men, women and children muslim in Jursalim, Is that means Christianity orders to kill women and children?
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@ poster friendship - Read the muslim conquest war time line.
 
**The Crusades were defensive operations, in part, intended to stop Muslim attacks against Europe, which, up to that point, had been relentless and extensive. They were also inspired by a great religious sentiment, arising from the struggles of the early Middle Ages, when European Man had fought wave upon wave of barbarians, in the name of his religion. Except for the First Crusade (1096 - 1099), the overall campaign failed. Nonetheless, the spirit of the Crusades lives on, in the consciousness of those of us who understand the grave threat Islam poses to Christian Civilization. **
 
KingAlfred said:
**The Crusades were defensive operations, in part, intended to stop Muslim attacks against Europe, which, up to that point, had been relentless and extensive. They were also inspired by a great religious sentiment, arising from the struggles of the early Middle Ages, when European Man had fought wave upon wave of barbarians, in the name of his religion. Except for the First Crusade (1096 - 1099), the overall campaign failed. Nonetheless, the spirit of the Crusades lives on, in the consciousness of those of us who understand the grave threat Islam poses to Christian Civilization. **
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Exactly!

The Crusades were necessary and justified. Some of the actions of the secular nobility who took part in them were less than noble (to say the least in some cases), but overall the Crusades are one of those things that are vilified in the modern world, which cannot abide the thought of the Church supporting and participating in a military action with religious overtones :rolleyes:

Like KingAlfred said, the Crusading spirit lives on. We recognize the clear and present danger Islam poses to the West, and we will support self-defense of our homes from the Islamic plague. Truth does not change and the truth is that Islam is as militant and dangerous now as it was a thousand years ago.

We need to light our own thousand-year old fires, again.

http://www.oceanparkoes.org/study/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/knights_templarhorse.jpg

Deus Vult!
 
KingAlfred said:
**Innocent Little Girl, Stoned to Death for Being a Victim of Rape, Cries for Mercy Before they Kill Her.**Submitted by King Kalydosos on Tue, 01/12/2010

Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, aged only 13yrs was stoned to death in Somalia. She pleaded for her life, a witness explained. “Don’t kill me, don’t kill me,” she cried, according to the man who wanted to remain anonymous. Numerous eye-witnesses say she was forced into a hole, buried up to her neck then pelted with stones by over than 50 men until she died in front of 1,000 jeering spectators. She had been accused of adultery in breach of Islamic law, but sources told Amnesty International that she had in fact been raped by three men, and had attempted to report this rape.

She was detained by militia of the Kismayo authorities, a coalition of Al-shabab and clan militias. During this time, she was reported to be extremely distressed, with some individuals stating she had become mentally unstable. Initial reports said she confessed to adultery before a Sharia court. Amnesty said it had learned she was only 13 and that her father had said she was gang raped by three men. …

faithfreedom.org/islam/in…-they-kill-her
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Kill the sinner by stone is not a islamic law. In your bible you see order to kill by stone.

In Islam killing by stone is so limited and is not like what came in bible. When god order to do something can people don’t do that? When as bible says God ordered to killing the women, children and animals of Amalek(1samuel15:2-3) could believers don’t accept his order?

And in addition Faithfreedo is a anti-islam site and it’s admin “Ali Sina” is against islam.
 
jakasaki said:
What the hell are you talking about???

**You made a statement about the news story from Saudi Arabia where a girls school was on fire and the “bully rightious police” didn’t let them out of the school because they had their head scarfs off their heads. And the girls died in the flames.

Burned alive… and You are the one that callled this story a “lie”**

I’m telling you the story is true and now you talk about “west very girls got raped too”…???
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Sorry, I didn’t read your text much carefully!

What police of arabia did, is not the order of islam. They did it by their own ideas. It is not a islamic law.
 
jakasaki said:
**Friday, 15 March, 2002, 12:19 GMT

Saudi police ‘stopped’ fire rescue

Saudi Arabia’s religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.

In a rare criticism of the kingdom’s powerful “mutaween” police, the Saudi media has accused them of hindering attempts to save 15 girls who died in the fire on Monday.

According to the al-Eqtisadiah daily, firemen confronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wearing the headscarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islam.

The Saudi Gazette quoted witnesses as saying that the police - known as the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice - had stopped men who tried to help the girls and warned “it is a sinful to approach them”.

The father of one of the dead girls said that the school watchman even refused to open the gates to let the girls out.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm**
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BBC! Can I accept what BBC says? BBC says many lies about Iran every day.

What police of arabia did, is not the order of islam. They did it by their own ideas. It is not a islamic law.
 
jakasaki said:
My post #227 & #228 has a little history lesson for you to study up.

Perhaps when this was covered in school you were snoozing!

Oh that’s right, I’m sorry,

I’m sure you weren’t properly educated about the islamic conquests of lands for hundreds & hundreds of years before the “Crusades” were launched.!!!
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😃 You must be sorry but for your self.

I study history enough.

Vhristian killed women and children in juraslim in 1099. It is the reality.
 
KingAlfred said:
**The Crusades were defensive operations, in part, intended to stop Muslim attacks against Europe, which, up to that point, had been relentless and extensive. They were also inspired by a great religious sentiment, arising from the struggles of the early Middle Ages, when European Man had fought wave upon wave of barbarians, in the name of his religion. Except for the First Crusade (1096 - 1099), the overall campaign failed. Nonetheless, the spirit of the Crusades lives on, in the consciousness of those of us who understand the grave threat Islam poses to Christian Civilization. **
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When your bible ordered to kill women, children and animals you must glory to killing the muslim women and children of juraslim in 1099
 
Lycorth said:
Exactly!

The Crusades were necessary and justified. Some of the actions of the secular nobility who took part in them were less than noble (to say the least in some cases), but overall the Crusades are one of those things that are vilified in the modern world, which cannot abide the thought of the Church supporting and participating in a military action with religious overtones :rolleyes:

Like KingAlfred said, the Crusading spirit lives on. We recognize the clear and present danger Islam poses to the West, and we will support self-defense of our homes from the Islamic plague. Truth does not change and the truth is that Islam is as militant and dangerous now as it was a thousand years ago.

We need to light our own thousand-year old fires, again.

http://www.oceanparkoes.org/study/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/knights_templarhorse.jpg

Deus Vult!
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If we accept that the Crusading were necessary, How about killing people? Was the killing muslim women and children necessary?
 
Islam never let muslims kill people and if they do so, God will panish them in doomsday
 
What Islam want us to do is what Quran and prophet Muhammad ordered to that. yes, may a muslim eat a pig, but we know that it is forbidden in Islam toeat that. So every work done by muslims is not a Islamic order.
 
I said that things to you better think about. Absolutly even if all of these rapers be christians, no one can say that it is because of christianity.
 
Fine.
in Iran and middle east always emphasis the difference between Joudaism and Zionism so we haven’t anti-semitic though. I have a Jewish friend in university, his name is Shahin. As I see in Iran people don’t hate jews but hate zionism.
 
I agree that some radical muslims hate christians and jews, But in general idea most people accept that all jews are not zionist. Iran’s TV shows anti-zionism jewish to show all of jews are not zionist. About holocaust it’s not our problem that some ones say “every one deny Holocaust is accomplice in Holocaust butchery”. They don’t let others to have doubt. But it is our right to doubt in it and they can answer us. Doubting in Holocaust it is not cause we hate jews.

Germany pays Israel every years asamerce of Holocaust and so Islrael knows doubt in Holocaust draw on Germany don’t pay them and people don’t view them as wronged people, so they don’t bear that someone has doubt in Holocaust and accusal him and say “He is anti-semitic!”
 
O.K. So you must be sure about it, But If some one has doubt about Holocaust it doesn’t mean that he/she is anti-semitic. He/She just has doubt and doesn’t sure about that. Persons who deny Holocaust don’t say “Hitler did a true job!!”, they say “We haven’t enough reasons to accept Holocaust is a real story”

Here in a Iranian web site you see that tries to show some jewishes are against Zionism.

http://media.farsnews.com/Media/8509/ImageNews/850920/4_850920_L600.jpg


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