The Truth About Islam

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friendship said:
Is God poor because his word killed by men.(As you claim)

God could save Bible, But he didn’t want to save it. As you claim that God Could save Jesus but didn’t save him. God could stop all bad thing on the earth but he don’t want to do it now.

So God is not poor.
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Here you can find lots of articles about the necessity of Jesus’ crucifixion for mankind so I think no need to talk about this now.BTW, God saved bible because bible is his pure word,and since bible is not corrupted so this world needs no other book.So your new scripture is nothing but a conspiracy of the false prophet against glorious God.
 
Young_Thinker said:
Well, eschatology is definitely not one of my favorite subjects, but al-Mahdi and the Antichrist(though the latter might instead be a Jew because of his prophetic occupation of the Temple) do share a lot of characteristics.
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Mahdi in Islam has meny difference to anti-christ in christianity. I wrote article before about it whitch you can it here but it is in Persian. I answered chrtians claims about Mahdi there.
 
morning_star777 said:
Here you can find lots of articles about the necessity of Jesus’ crucifixion for mankind so I think no need to talk about this now.BTW, God saved bible because bible is his pure word,and since bible is not corrupted so this world needs no other book.So your new scripture is nothing but a conspiracy of the false prophet against glorious God.
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Realy?! It was about poor-ness! It is neccesarry to people can change thier book, because God created humen elector and if God stop him from changing the book, humen was not elector
 
friendship said:
They are all lies and I confirm this reality in my posts.
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Yes yes yes,every news against islamic violence is lie & the conspiracy of kafirs i know:rolleyes:.BTW, what reality you have confirmed? you are just refusing the sources but didn’t confirm anything that can support your claim.
 
morning_star777 said:
Yes yes yes,every news against islamic violence is lie & the conspiracy of kafirs i know:rolleyes:.BTW, what reality you have confirmed? you are just refusing the sources but didn’t confirm anything that can support your claim.
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I didn’t talk about news. I talked about orientalists. And I said the true. I read their books and I can’t find one of them who didn’t lie about Islam.
 
Speak the truth about Islam and the only thing we get is ‘we lied’.🤷

I guess it is easier to deny what Islam is all about than to deal with it. A lying God, a lying prophet both telling the followers to lie. Sounds like a bunch of hooey.

Here is some truth about Islam that is too inconvenient for Muslims to change, Is the anger of Muslims justified because they think people have insulted Islam?
In the last few decades, Muslims have committed several violent acts because they felt their religion had been insulted or attacked. These acts ranged from murders and violent riots against Salman Rushdie for writing the “Satanic Verses” to violent riots as a response to rumors of US soldiers insulting the Quran. The aggressive Muslim reaction after the publishing of cartoons of prophet Mohamed by the Jyllands-Posten newspaper in Denmark is another well-known example of the Muslim world’s reactions. Sadly, these acts of violence have resulted in devastating consequences such as the burning churches and the killing many innocent people.
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The question many have raised is: are these violent reactions condoned by Islam and the result of Islamic teachings?
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The answer to this question is that the reaction depends largely on the sources used by a particular follower and their understanding of the appropriate religious texts. The following are a few examples to illustrate how a Muslim’s response to insulting Islam can vary depending on the religious references used:

Option 1: A Muslim who mainly follows the Quran and does not believe in the abrogation of the verses is likely to be forgiving if Islam or the prophet is insulted. This is because the Quran never mentions any punishment for insulting Islam. In addition, the Quran in more than one verse clearly states that a Muslim can only avoid sitting with those who insult their religion during the time of insult and that they are permitted to interact normally with them at any other time (See Quran 4:140, 6:68). In fact, the Quran in another verse mentions clearly the concept of insulting Allah himself without approving or justifying any violent reaction to this (See Quran 6:108).

Option 2: If a Muslim believes in the abrogation of the verses as described in many traditional and approved Islamic books that provide Quranic commentary, they may consider that the above peaceful verses were revealed only when Muslims were weak and that those verses were abrogated later on by violent verses (Such as Quran 2:193).

(Note: A complex theological analysis and interpretation is needed to explain how to understand the above verses in a way that produces a net outcome of peace rather than violence.)

Option 3: Another Muslim who strictly follows the Hadith and Sunna books (Non-Quranic sources for Islam) may justify the angry and violent reactions to insulting Islam. The story of prophet Muhammad ordering his men to kill the poet Asma bint Marwan for criticizing him (See Ibn Ishaq’s “Sirah Rasul Allah” (Life of the Prophet of God)) is an example of this type of violence. In such a case, a sincere follower of the prophet (as described in these sources) may do crimes, in the name of the religion, if someone insulted the prophet.

Option 4: Muslims who follow the current mainstream Islamic jurisprudence books of all four legal schools can also justify barbaric reactions to insulting Islam through the well-known rule in Islamic jurisprudence This rule justifies killing those who insult the prophet or Islam (See as an example “Minhaj Al-Muslim” by Abu-Bakr Al-Jazarry Volume 2, Page 525).
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The Muslim world has to choose between the above ways or options of understanding Islam. Understanding the religion and teaching it as described in Option 1 can prevent many violent acts by Muslims in the future. Ironically enough, the ‘peaceful Muslims’ - or the Muslims who do not use violence against those who insult Islam - are the ones who do not practice the mainstream Islamic jurisprudence and practice Sharia Laws “properly”!
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The Muslim world needs to learn that Islam will be perceived by others as Muslims practice and portray it. If Sharia laws justify killing a human soul because he or she insulted the prophet Mohamed or insulted Islam, then the Muslim world must not expect others to call Islam a peaceful religion and the westerners must not expect the outcome of this teaching to be anything but violence and barbarism. When the Muslim world at large changes its teachings and understanding of their religion to promote forgiveness for those who insult the religion (as described in Option 1) then - and only then - can Muslims demand that “Islam is the religion of peace”.
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This last sentence is what I have been trying to get across. It is all hooey from the Muslims who do nothing to change what is deemed ok in Islam.

Unfortunately if the Muslims choses to follow Option 1 they do not have the backing in their laws. They do nothing to try to change Islam, or to teach their other Muslims that this is the Option they should follow. They have no power. They only tell us that Option 1 is what Muslims follow. Telling us is useless since deception is allowed in Islam how are we to know if this is even the truth? Until they change their own people what people are seeing is barbaric idiots killing for some God that Mohammed said promised them some half baked sexual orgy in heaven. They can’t even see that the guy who mind was in the gutter and so concerned with his sex life was Mohammed.
 
…I just noticed that you capitalized “Mahdi” and wrote “Antichrist” and “Christian” in lowercase!
 
staffsgt7 said:
Speak the truth about Islam and the only thing we get is ‘we lied’.🤷

I guess it is easier to deny what Islam is all about than to deal with it. A lying God, a lying prophet both telling the followers to lie. Sounds like a bunch of hooey.

Here is some truth about Islam that is too inconvenient for Muslims to change, Is the anger of Muslims justified because they think people have insulted Islam?

This last sentence is what I have been trying to get across. It is all hooey from the Muslims who do nothing to change what is deemed ok in Islam.

Unfortunately if the Muslims choses to follow Option 1 they do not have the backing in their laws. They do nothing to try to change Islam, or to teach their other Muslims that this is the Option they should follow. They have no power. They only tell us that Option 1 is what Muslims follow. Telling us is useless since deception is allowed in Islam how are we to know if this is even the truth? Until they change their own people what people are seeing is barbaric idiots killing for some God that Mohammed said promised them some half baked sexual orgy in heaven. They can’t even see that the guy who mind was in the gutter and so concerned with his sex life was Mohammed.
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Only sources whitch are acceptable are God’s orders in Fiqh book and first history books. Such links whtch you copy here don’t help me to leave Islam!
 
Young_Thinker said:
…I just noticed that you capitalized “Mahdi” and wrote “Antichrist” and “Christian” in lowercase!
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Some sunni muslims such as wahabis think that Mahdi doen’t exist and other sunnis think he didn’t born yet, but shiee cults say that he borned before and will comeback. He and Jesus Christ will come together and their great enemies are two: Dijjal(antichrist in christianity) & Safiani, two bloody-mindeds who kill very people. Dijjal is unbeliever, safiani too…. In some predicts said that Dijjal will be killed by Jesus Crist and Safaiani will be killed by Mahdi.

Muslims loves Jesus Christ very much and Quran says that Cristians are best friends for us.
 
friendship said:
Only sources whitch are acceptable are God’s orders in Fiqh book and first hsitory books. Such links whtch you copy here don’t help me to leave Islam!
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As for you leaving Islam, I don’t really care. I will leave that work to the Christians. I want to make sure that people know that what you are writing is just a bunch of denials and not anything much except ‘you lied’.

I see that you are ok with the violence in Islam except when it is inconvenient. God didn’t make those orders which you have finally admitted that they are orders. You tried to claim they weren’t orders. Your books of fiqh are just something you and others like you hide behind.

It is easier for you to try to change our way of thinking than to change Islam because you know we won’t kill you and trying to change Islam will get you dead. The easiness of acceptance of what is just morally wrong will not get you anywhere though.

Your God is weak. Or is it that Mohammed was weak and found the only way to spread islam was by fear. You can’t really discuss it. You are even admitting that you can’t discuss it by telling me about some book of fiqh. Sharia laws say you are not to question it, or personally interpret it. More fear, more threats of death if you do. Sharia laws say to kill us if we discuss it and that is why the OIC and the Saudis are trying to figure out how to shut us up. Going through the UN only worked for some nations, you guys got to figure out how to bypass the First Amendment which is far superior to your fearful God who can’t handle anyone thinking for themselves.

A God that is paranoid, fearful, and hateful. I don’t want to forget a liar too. That doesn’t sound like a God but a man called Mohammed. A paranoid, obsessive-compulsive, mysoginistic, murdering, pervert.
 
friendship said:
Some sunni muslims such as wahabis think that Mahdi doen’t exist and other sunnis think he didn’t born yet, but shiee cults say that he borned before and will comeback. He and Jesus Christ will come together and their great enemies are two: Dijjal(antichrist in christianity) & Safiani, two bloody-mindeds who kill very people. Dijjal is unbeliever, safiani too…. In some predicts said that Dijjal will be killed by Jesus Crist and Safaiani will be killed by Mahdi.

Muslims loves Jesus Christ very much and Quran says that Cristians are best friends for us.
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What a bunch of bull except the obvious paranoia. The part that Islam has enemies. The only reason why people become enemies is that Muslims keep attacking others and treating them poorly. You think Jesus will come back and kill Christians for the Muslims.

Koran 5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and
protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
 
Staffsgt7 you are very rude. You must discuss urbane.

What you show about Islam is lie and you are not the enemy of Islam, you are the enemy of reality.

What you say are not authentic, And I don’t need answer.
 
Only problem that make people enemy of Islam is “haven’t enough power proselytism”. People know Islam as anti-islams say to them!
 
Wow! Let’s see wrote these sentences, Is he muslim? No, He is a christian with great bigotry! It is very good that I see christian accept what a atheist says! I as a Muslim who study Islamic books and live in middle east say What you say is lie.
 
I study books about Christianity and Zoroastrianism, and I’ll study enough about judaism and and Budaism later. OK?
 
Every books I read about christianity are written by christians and I provide them from christian sites or churches in Iran. I ever read many articles about chritianty on the christian sites.
 
I don’t post in any thread some thing against christianity. If you can’t believe thjat a muslim can understand what christiany says, It is your problems. I chatter bu catholic & perotestant reponders. I don’t want talk about christianity. I 'm not enemy of your relegion, but if I want to answer, I can answer it. My sin is advocate Islam.
 
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