The Truth About Islam

[KingAlfred]

Well-stated!

Once upon a time, Christians fought to defend their faith, literally as well as figuratively. Today, Christians rely on secular states to defend our rights for us, and we can see what a botched job secular states are doing.

Religious know they have something important and transcendent to defend if they must go to war to protect the Faith. Secular states, ultimately, are concerned with shoring up their careers as politicians; without a transcendent truth to struggle for, they only see the temporal world and use temporal justifications to convince aggressors that they must change their minds. Clearly, a losing strategy.

As much as I hate to say it, the best thing that Christendom can have happen to it (save an immediate spiritual renewal) is for secularism to fail utterly and for Christians to have to fend for ourselves. Then, the band-aid will be finally torn off and a turnaround can happen. But the crutches of dependency on secular protection must break, as no civilization is ever healed without a great upheaval first.

I couldn’t agree more, and that’s where we’re headed.

 

[Mosacked]

Alfred,

what you have posted here is correct. HOWEVER, adopting a warring stance overtly is not the correct approach.

Externally Islam thrives today only because muslim communities are generally closed, backward, illiterate, stifled with lies from muslim leaders and children born are forced to adopt islam.

The right approach is to force open islamic communities. Educate with true secular knowledge. True history. Correct information. TOTAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. NO SYARIAH LAWS ALLOWED, ONLY SECULAR LAWS.

Internally, secular societies must prohibit the establishments of islamic monuments and gathering places because these are the places where the terrorist dogmas ferment.

You will not fail to notice by now that EVERYTHING that the muslims are practicing are keeping them nailed in. From birth (stuck with the religion, no choice), growing up (prohibited from learning the truth, fed with lies), training (stopped from gathering socially useful skills, instead pumped with prayers and other islamic practices), socially (thumbed down by the syariah)…escape prohibited and threatenedd with DEATH.

This system must be torn apart if the war against terror is to be won. Otherwise, the war will NEVER end. Cos WHILE you will be fighting the mujahideens at the front, back in their backyard, their women are producing the next generation of islamic terrorists.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com
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[friendship]

**Even before Muhammad became a prophet, he was a warrior. He had fought in two local wars between his tribe, the Quraysh, and one of its rivals, the Banu Hawazin. In AD 610, when he began to preach his invented religion, Islam, in Mecca, the Quraysh rejected him. Outraged, he pledged to spill their blood, beginning with his uncle, Abu Lahab, who also dismissed him as a prophet. He thus railed, “May the hands of Abu Lahab perish! May he himself perish! Nothing shall his wealth and gains avail him. He shall be burnt in a flaming fire, and his wife, laden with faggots, shall have a rope of fibre around her neck.” (Quran 111:1-5)
**

Prophet was a warrior? Would you please give me a acceptable refrence? and does it bad for a prophet? Were not Moses and David warrior men?

But about is uncle Abu Lahab, you don’t understand the meaning of surah. These verses do not mean that his hand must be cutted by a sword. This sentence in arabic language means the one lose his power. Abu Lahab was one of bosses of mecca and one of three great enemies of Islam and enemies of praying one god. This surah bodes that he will lose his power and this bode was true.

 

[friendship]

In AD 622, Muhammad fled Mecca, to the town of Medina (originally named ‘Yathrib’; later re-named ‘Medina’, e.g., ‘City of the Prophet’), where a band of tribal warriors accepted him as prophet, and swore allegiance to him. He immediately began to lead military raids in the area, in search of booty, to keep Islam solvent. One such raid was directed against a caravan of his own people, the Quyrash, at Nakhla.

This are your nightmares and not the truth as you claim, darling. these are lies. Prophet mohammad just ordered muslims chace th caravan of Quraysh because they seised mulisms asset and got them in this caravan.

 

[friendship]

Muslim marauders killed and looted there, during the sacred month of Rajab, when fighting was supposedly forbidden. Muhammad justified the slaughter, theft and violation of religious law by arguing that the Quyrash’s opposition to Islam was a worse transgression than the actions of his warriors. In other words, according to Muhammad, Muslim fighting against the persecution of Muslims, by any means necessary, is the greater good. “They question thee, O Muhammad, with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: warfare therein is a great transgression, but to turn men from the way of Allah, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater sin with Allah; for persecution is worse than killing” (Quran 2:214)

I am so sorry for the author of this texts. this are all lies.

And Quran2:214 does says these things. It says:
“Or do ye think that ye shall enter the Garden) of Bliss (without such) trials (as came to those who passed away before you? they encountered suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that even the Messenger and those of faith who were with him cried:” When) will come (the help of Allah." Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near!"(translated by Yusef Ali)

 

[friendship]

The argument that Islam forbids the killing of non-combatants is yet another dangerous myth about Islam. The truth is Islamic legal authorities permit the liquidation of non-combatants, provided they live in such a way as to assist the enemies of Islam. In other words, if they are mere citizens or visitors of countries or societies in which Islam’s targets exist, they’re ‘fair-game’.

Islam never orderes to kill non-combatants. but non-mulsims must give a tax which called jaziah. Muslims must give to taxes which called khoms & zakat.

But your bible orthers to kill women, chlidren and animals:

1 Samuel 15:2-3: Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ***.

Deuteronomy 20:16-17: But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee

 

[friendship]

Indeed, it was the Nakhla Raid, extending as far back as the life and times of Muhammad himself, that established a key principle of Jihad: ANY ACT, HOWEVER HORRIFIC, THAT SOMEHOW BENEFITS MUSLIMS, IS JUSTIFIABLE. The objective moral truths of the great religions that came before Islam were openly discarded, in favor of a naked principle of expediency.

These are just onother lies. Quran says: “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.”(Quran2:190)

Islam never says any act, however horrific, that somehow benefits muslims, us justifiable. Allah loveth not transgressors.

 

[friendship]

Nothing could testify to these ugly facts more dramatically than Osama Bin Laden’s killing of innocent non-combatants in the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, and the actions that followed, on the part of his co-religionists, who captured, tortured and beheaded civilian hostages throughout Muslim lands.

Al-Qaida & Bin-Ladan are not real muslims. They follow a radical cult which called vahabism. They have killed many muslims before and after september11,2001.(and don’t forget that september11,2001 was a Doubtful accident and may be a cabal from U.S.A to make a big war in middle east)

Quran says:if any one slew a person - - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.(Quran5:32)

So What done in september11,2001 is not accepted in islam.

 

[friendship]

**In March 2002, a school in Mecca caught on fire. To prevent going up in flames, 15 female students inside the building removed their burqas. As they tried to escape, the Muttawa (Saudi Arabia’s religious police) saw they were breaking Sharia Law by not wearing their burqas, and trapped them inside the burning school. Municipal police and firemen battled the Muttawa to free the imperiled girls, but no avail. The Muttawa held firm, and caused the girls to be BURNED TO DEATH. **

Oh God! Mistakes of police are not mistakes of Islam.

 

[friendship]

It is better you don’t trust the orientalists and their books, Cause their books are full of lies! If you want know the truth about Islam you must read main historic books of islam like:Ibn hisham, Al-Maqazi, Tabari and Islamic books like Quran and osul kafi & sehah. only thing muslims accept that is all true is Quran and others have some bogus stories.

 

[Sam_777]

Al-Qaida & Bin-Ladan are not real muslims. They follow a radical cult which called vahabism. They have killed many muslims before and after september11,2001.(and don’t forget that september11,2001 was a Doubtful accident and may be a cabal from U.S.A to make a big war in middle east)
Quran says:if any one slew a person - - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.(Quran5:32)
So What done in september11,2001 is not accepted in islam.

Welcome my neighbour from Iran …

Actually Al-Qaida & Bin-Ladan are true Muslims who are implementing Islam 100%, and the wahabism in SA are implementing Islam as Muhammed and his caliphs did in the past centuries.

And who told you that what had happened in 2001 is not accepted in Islam!!!, have the top Muslim countries come in official Fatwa from their top clerics condemn that!, sadly there is not a single one because they consider Bin-Ladan as a true Muslim.

However, I can understand your viewpoint as a Shiat Muslim, but you should remember that Sunnis represent more than 90% of Muslims worldwide.

 

[dzheremi]

It is better you don’t trust the orientalists and their books, Cause their books are full of lies! If you want know the truth about Islam you must read main historic books of islam like:Ibn hisham, Al-Maqazi, Tabari and Islamic books like Quran and osul kafi & sehah. only thing muslims accept that is all true is Quran and others have some bogus stories.

That’s right…just like when you want to learn about Christianity, you’ll read the Holy Bible and the writings of the early church fathers, and not Muhammad’s distorted version of it in the Qur’an or the opinions of any Islamic book or thinker about it, right? Right?

Get out of here with that. The Syriac Christians who first encountered the Muslims as they invaded the Syriac Christian lands from the west did not rely on any Islamic apologist’s writing to know about it, and neither should we. Our chroniclers are better than your chroniclers. One Bar-Salibi is worth a million Tabaris.

 

[friendship]

Welcome my neighbour from Iran …

Actually Al-Qaida & Bin-Ladan are true Muslims who are implementing Islam 100%, and the wahabism in SA are implementing Islam as Muhammed and his caliphs did in the past centuries.

And who told you that what had happened in 2001 is not accepted in Islam!!!, have the top Muslim countries come in official Fatwa from their top clerics condemn that!, sadly there is not a single one because they consider Bin-Ladan as a true Muslim.

Salam my former muslim neghbour. You say it because you need them to show real islam is like them. but I showed that they did against Islam. You can think that they are muslims, but is is true? of course not.

However, I can understand your viewpoint as a Shiat Muslim, but you should remember that Sunnis represent more than 90% of Muslims worldwide.

It is appeal to number fallacy. Sunnis are more but it does not mean that they are real muslims.

If you realy want understand the shiah view these links:

al-islam.org

shiatc.org

shiamultimedia.com

valiasr-aj.com

 

[friendship]

That’s right…just like when you want to learn about Christianity, you’ll read the Holy Bible and the writings of the early church fathers, and not Muhammad’s distorted version of it in the Qur’an or the opinions of any Islamic book or thinker about it, right? Right?

Get out of here with that. The Syriac Christians who first encountered the Muslims as they invaded the Syriac Christian lands from the west did not rely on any Islamic apologist’s writing to know about it, and neither should we. Our chroniclers are better than your chroniclers. One Bar-Salibi is worth a million Tabaris.

Take it easy, OK? If some day I try say some thing about christianity I’ll say it from your bible and christians book.

 

[KingAlfred]

Child Marriage and Wife-Beating is Islam

**Child marriage is a common practice in Islam, and is fully authorized by the Quran. “If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated” (Quran 65:4). Muhammad himself married a girl of six years of age, and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old.

In Afghanistan and Bangladesh, over half the teenage girls are married. In Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini once told his followers that marrying a girl before she began menstruating was a divine blessing. The law in Iran allows girls to marry as young as nine, with parental consent, and 13, without it.

Domestic violence is closely related to this practice. In Egypt, for example, 29 percent of married adolescents have been beaten by their husbands. Forty-one percent of that group were beaten during pregnancy. In Jordan, 26 percent of reported cases of wife-beating involved victims under 18 years of age.**

 

[friendship]

Child marriage is a common practice in Islam, and is fully authorized by the Quran. “If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated” (Quran 65:4).

Oops! This verse is talking about old women: your wives who ceased menstruating :stretcher: and this verse is not about marriage if you read it carefully!

 

[jakasaki]

Originally Posted by KingAlfred

Child marriage is a common practice in Islam, and is fully authorized by the Quran. "If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated

" (Quran 65:4).

Oops! This verse is talking about old women: your wives who ceased menstruating :stretcher: and this verse is not about marriage if you read it carefully!

Well Hi there & welcome! Another Shia on CAF ~ Famdigy will be pleased!

We’ve been through the 65.4 verse and what KingAlfred posted is correct, you on the other hand is partially correct because you did not clarify the issue about “young age”.

And [as for] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months — both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter.

altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=65&tAyahNo=4&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

Notice the above bold and font size #3. It states “young age”.

Score 1 for King Alfred!

 

[friendship]

Muhammad himself married a girl of six years of age, and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old.

as Ibn hisham says, Ayshaa accepted Islam 3 years after the prphethood hof Prophet Muhammad and married him 10 years after the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad! if in time of marriage she was six years old so how can she accepted Islam 7 years ago?!

If we accept that she was at least 9 years old when she accepted islam, so she must be 16 when she married with prophet.

In the other hand, all revayats which say that she was six or seven or nine when married to prophet are said by Ayshaa! and women like to say married in youngest ages.

Know have a look at your prophets in your bible!! Ebraham married his sister!(Genesis20:12) and Lot Who had sex with his girls!(Genesis19:30-38) and Solomon who has 1000 wives(1Kings11) and David who had sex with a woman who had a husband and killed his husband!(2Samuel11:2-27)

 

[friendship]

In Afghanistan and Bangladesh, over half the teenage girls are married. In Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini once told his followers that marrying a girl before she began menstruating was a divine blessing. The law in Iran allows girls to marry as young as nine, with parental consent, and 13, without it.

Domestic violence is closely related to this practice. In Egypt, for example, 29 percent of married adolescents have been beaten by their husbands. Forty-one percent of that group were beaten during pregnancy. In Jordan, 26 percent of reported cases of wife-beating involved victims under 18 years of age.

In the law of islam, men can marry a girl when she is a child but they must wait to girl come to adolescence and agrees to this mariiage and after that the man and the girl are husband and wife. Untherstood?

 

[friendship]

Well Hi there & welcome! Another Shia on CAF ~ Famdigy will be pleased!

We’ve been through the 65.4 verse and what KingAlfred posted is correct, you on the other hand is partially correct because you did not clarify the issue about “young age”.

And [as for] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months — both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter.

altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=65&tAyahNo=4&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

Notice the above bold and font size #3. It states “young age”.

Score 1 for King Alfred!

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