The Truth About Islam

[morning_star777]

You know, brother Morning Star, your questions are questions that U.S. citizens like me ask ourselves every single day, and your sentiments of anger are justified. Without talking about the Iraq war, we can still say that USA is highly hypocritical in talking about spreading democracy in the Middle East while supporting the horrible regime in SA, or even more “moderate” leaders like Mubarak in Egypt (who is not moderate if you are a political blogger!). None of them are good for their countries or for the world.
I don’t think it is right to say SA should be wiped off the map. I met many nice Saudis during my Arabic courses (three terms/1 year), and Sam_777 is also Saudi. We should remember that Saudis are just like any people, some are good and some are bad. Of course, I think Saudi Arabia must change, and having the USA and other influential countries treating them so softly does not help them realize that they need to change. Of course, they should give up having the Qur’an as the first and highest law (as should all Muslim-majority countries), and they should abolish all rules and laws on a federal and a local level that force Islam on the people. Get rid of laws that say non-Muslims can’t be citizens. Get rid of laws against churches so that the Christian workers from Philippines, Ethiopia, and other places can have churches in the open and not be forced underground and beaten for meeting in groups in private homes. All Muslims need to learn that if they believe in their own faith, other people having a different faith cannot endanger them, so they don’t need to treat Christians like a disease or a plague on society. Of course, this is not what Islam tells them, so they won’t listen. We are “najis” (unclean) to them because are not Muslims. They cannot stand even Christian ARABS and still say that they are some kind of sick, western brainwashed garbage, because they cannot bear the thought that before their religion started there were strong Christian people across the entire Middle East (Assyrians, Copts, Maronites, etc), and it is THESE people who are the real owners of these lands they now call “Islamic/Muslim”. Even the Christian Arabs like the Ghassanids got to these places first, because the Muslim Arabs drove them out! What a sad history…no wonder they hate us so much…it is always easier to hate someone else than to look at what you are ashamed of in yourself or your history.

I am sorry my friend,I had to say that,this Cruel Saudi Arabia should be wiped off.I want the destruction of the demonic leaders who abuse people like hell.I read many cruel news, I saw women oppression in my area,I know a true story that a girl was killed by her father and brothers because she had fallen in love with a man and since meeting a man is prohibited in Islam so these cruel monsters beat their own daughter and sister so terribly that the girl had died.Police came and took some bribe and suppressed the crime.peoples were silent because her father is a honorable(!) man in that area.So see that?the girls sin was she had fallen in love.So since meeting with opposite sex is forbidden in Islam so the girl was killed because she violated Islam.I confess,the father didn’t wanted to kill her,but he and his sons beat her so badly that the girl died.I told the story in the very beginning when I join here.I can’t prove it because many news are suppressed because if secular news channels want to know the reality,peoples do not co operate them.But trust me,the news of Saudi police is totally different type news, and I never heard such horrific story before.They forced the girls burnt alive because they were not wearing Burka! My goodness!Anyway I really made a mistake because you are correct,Saudi peoples can be good, and Sam_777 is also from Saudi Arabia and I know he is a very good person and a devout Christian by soul.Anyway your response is too good.I agree with you,so definitely I want the destruction of the laws & system of SA as well as the policy of USA & other western countries.Because it is really true that the so called humanism of USA & Europe can’t change peoples mind.I was very fond of USA $ Europe because I thought that atleast they will protest many odds of Muslim countries,but recent days they have gone too far for the sake of democracy or secularism,they even indirectly support domestic violence by permitting the Sharia Law for Muslims in UK.I know they(both secular & islamic leaders) are not brainless, they established the law in cool head, just they use democracy as a coat like Islam use the coat of peace when they spread domestic violence or other terrorists act.I do not blame all Muslims because I also think that they are the victim of a ferocious cult,and unfortunately the system can’t be changed because the world is following the beast,I never realized before that secularism can be the finest fellow of Islam.I always thought that the liberal peoples want to end the bigotry from the world,and if we will be in their touch then we asians will be liberal like them.But I realized many days before that I was wrong.All secular activities were to establish Sharia violence in Europe or America.Secularism is just a coat,a sugar coat.Now I am sure,west can be much worse than eastern Muslim countries because day by day Islam will dominate there ruthlessly,western secular leaders are just making an easy way for Islam.Actually the extra free society was just an eye wash,it is the bearer of a prison.my friend soon western peoples who really do not want to enter in Islamic jail,they will realize.

To be continued…

 

[morning_star777]

I know as a very ordinary man, I have no ability to prevent it.But I just pray to God, I don’t want to see the prison in my life.I pray to God for my death before establishing a ferocious culture that let people burn in the name of honor.there is no hope in this world because something is coming very fast,and we are not able to prevent it,and I don’t want to face Satan.it is even better to die than facing the beast of bible.

 

[morning_star777]

Let’s pray for Muslims that they stop thinking only as the Qur’an tells them to. The world is not against Islam, and never has been. Islam is against the world, and always has been, and always will be. Before we were dirty kuffar to them, these same people were probably Christian, Jewish, or maybe even among the “non-protected”! How easy it is to forget that, if you only believe what Islam tells you!

Yes my brother, lets pray for them and for the world.If our prayers can change something!But i don’t know really,perhaps no prayers can be changed the prophecy of bible.But I do not know I can’t easily accept the future when the beast will come in peace( or already has come!)

 

[morning_star777]

and they should abolish all rules and laws on a federal and a local level that force Islam on the people. Get rid of laws that say non-Muslims can’t be citizens. Get rid of laws against churches so that the Christian workers from Philippines, Ethiopia, and other places can have churches in the open and not be forced underground and beaten for meeting in groups in private homes. All Muslims need to learn that if they believe in their own faith, other people having a different faith cannot endanger them, so they don’t need to treat Christians like a disease or a plague on society. Of course, this is not what Islam tells them, so they won’t listen. We are “najis” (unclean) to them because are not Muslims. They cannot stand even Christian ARABS and still say that they are some kind of sick, western brainwashed garbage, because they cannot bear the thought that before their religion started there were strong Christian people across the entire Middle East (Assyrians, Copts, Maronites, etc), and it is THESE people who are the real owners of these lands they now call “Islamic/Muslim”. Even the Christian Arabs like the Ghassanids got to these places first, because the Muslim Arabs drove them out! What a sad history…no wonder they hate us so much…it is always easier to hate someone else than to look at what you are ashamed of in yourself or your history.

And my friend we know the history.The middle Eastern orthodox Christians lost their land because of Muslim oppression.Do you not think that the same thing is going to happen to rest of this free world?Do you see any hope except the promised kingdom of God?indeed i know that the kingdom of God is the real homebefore the kingdom of God,can people survive?I can see the future now!I can see that All christians will be are the victim of some cultist.,and they will forced to pay the jyziah tax.Christian( or other non Muslim) ladies will forced to wear Burka and if any one will refuse they will be lashed or perhaps will be burnt in a cell,they can’t be save from fire like the 15 muslim school girls.So my brother lets wait for the time, when humanity will be fallen completely because we can’t prevent it.I am upset because I see no hope.

 

[morning_star777]

Islam never orderes to kill non-combatants. but non-mulsims must give a tax which called jaziah. Muslims must give to taxes which called khoms & zakat.

Ah yes Jaziah,the sweet word Jaziah.Since non Muslims are animals so they must have to pay Jaziah if they want the protection of their life.BTW,hey if non Muslims will refuse to pay the Jaziah tax then?Will islamic govt cook their flesh after cutting them in piece?Like when cows produce lots of milk that time people take care of them,and when it stop producing milk then they slay the cows and eat their meat.So what will happen if christian or other non muslim animals( definitely we are domestic animals who will pay tax,life saving tax) refuse to produce the milk( Jaziah tax) for the loving and caring islamic govt?will you(Muslims) only withdraw protection, or will cut them in piece?

 

[morning_star777]

this Cruel Saudi Arabia should be wiped off.I want the destruction of the demonic leaders who abuse people like hell.

**my friend DZheremi

****,Actually I wanted to say that I want the destruction of present SA who hold the demonic and cruel law.A new SA is wecome always where people can live in peace.Actually I want the destruction of the law and system.And I hope now I made my statement clear.Sorry i couldn’t explain it before.
**

 

[morning_star777]

Quran never talks about relegions. Quran always talks about relegion. relegion of God is one. Islam is not a new relegion, as Quran says Ebrahem was a mulsim(Quran3:67) Relegion of god some times was called as judaism, some times was called as christianity and today is called as Islam. Your relegion is deferent? It is your problem. We have enough resons to confirm that prophet Muhammad is a prophet of God. Your accept or don’t accept, does not change the reality.

What is the reality?How can you prove your claims?How can you confirm that Mohammad is a prophet of God?

 

[KingAlfred]

**Greatest of All Threats
We behave as though we’re secure, when in fact we’re not. Presently, an insidious, colossal, violent force rises up around us, increasingly threatening our very existence. It’s more lethal than either Nazism or Communism, and has relentlessly attacked us almost from its very conception, 1400 years ago. This threat, of course, is Islam. Through a combination of large-scale immigration to Europe and Canada, ghetto-radicalization in those countries, and global terrorism, Islam is gradually conquering the West and positioning itself to savage Christianity, if not eradicating it altogether. Islam’s ascendancy in the West will mark the second downfall of Civilization. **

 

[Mosacked]

Greatest of All Threats
We behave as though we’re secure, when in fact we’re not. Presently, an insidious, colossal, violent force rises up around us, increasingly threatening our very existence. It’s more lethal than either Nazism or Communism, and has relentlessly attacked us almost from its very conception, 1400 years ago. This threat, of course, is Islam. Through a combination of large-scale immigration to Europe and Canada, ghetto-radicalization in those countries, and global terrorism, Islam is gradually conquering the West and positioning itself to savage Christianity, if not eradicating it altogether. Islam’s ascendancy in the West will mark the second downfall of Civilization.

Your truthful analysis is not going to change anything. This world has to end. There must be armageddon. Without evil there would be no goodness except the churn of the mill. Hell cannot be left empty. God has given man the freewill to perform evil, just remember this. If u dont allow the murderer to KILL, u cannot convict him to the death penalty for murder. And what we really want is for their yeast to leaven and blow up in their faces that their damnation may be eternal. May His will be done. Amen.

 

[friendship]

Quran didnlt borrows Biblical stories, both of these books are from the God. Some diferences are cause of Biblical changes whitch done by some ones. We have enough reasons to confirm that Quran is from God and the Bible is changed in some parts.

 

[friendship]

Now it comes out. How sad. We have seen this so often here at CAF. It is all about “love” until it becomes obvious that we remain resolute in our rejection of Muhammad and Islam, and don’t just say “well, I’m sure it is all explainable by context” like the Muslims try to tell us it is. Once that is obvious, then we are “nasty”, “evil”, “lovers of Satan”, “corrupt”, etc. (insert whatever Planten buzz-word you want - it’s all the same nonsense.)

We may not understand your (Islamic) definition of love, but I can guarantee you that Islam does not understand “agape”, which is what our concept of love is based on, as Christians. We are speaking two different languages, and neither of them are Farsi or English.

Sorry if I injured your feeling. I’m so sorry, I was angry at that time. sorry. I realy believe christianity was the relegion of God before Islam. Sorry again. I don’t fear that say"sorry". But your friend that I answered him said bad things to me.

 

[friendship]

Sure you love everyone thats great. I bet In Iran you see every burka clad woman and say darling to them isnt it?

Well you have brought the word satan in the topic so lets see who loves satan.

1. Who wants to win the souls of the world for himself? Satan.
2. Who did God want to defeat by sending His Son Jesus? Satan
3. Who wins if Jesus’s sacrifice is denied by all? Satan
4. Who used mohammad to deny Jesus sacrifice? Satan
5. Who is laughing all the way in hell for winning the muslims? Satan

High time you realized what is love, and what God is and why He did what He did by sending His Son for us sinners.

I love you too

 

[friendship]

I dont think you have read the Holy Bible and understood it. If not yu would not ask the first question. Right from the beginning God wanted sin offerings and you may have read about them in the Holy Bible, They used to offer the first born of lamb, and others, which was offered in the temple. But was God pleased with those offerings? He accepted them but He had already planned what He wanted and its there in the first book of Genisis, It was God’s plan for the Word to be sacrificed once and for all and thats how it happened. Thats why Christians dont offer any sin offering as for us Christians Jesus was the final offering for all our sins. That does not mean we can keep on sinning.

I read your bible, our Quran, Zartoshtians Avesta, Bahais’ Alaqdas, and I understand them very good. But these things has no relation to what I said. You commented my qoutes very bad.

But Muslims still offer sin offerings as in the OT, thats why they kill millions of sheep for bakra idd, and say its in remembrance of Abraham and his son, without even knowing why God asked Abraham this sacrifice. They deny the final sacrifice and why? its all because they have been blinded by the satan.

You must know more about islam and after that talk about that. It is better for yourself. We don’t offer that sheeps cause of the sin done by out father Adam, because Then learnt Adam from his Lord certain words, and) Allah (accepted his repentance; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful(Quran2:73)

 

[friendship]

Actually it is the lamb coated wolf mentioned in bible.We know, peace coated violence is really creepy!It is worse than open violence.

My friend. The people of mecca exruciate prophet Mohammad and his followers and tried to kill prophet mohammad in the night in his home, and he went to Yasreb, But the time that Prophet and his soldiers came back to Mecca, he didn’t venge. Quran never let muslims to kill non-sin people. If some muslims do bad things it is not cause Quran said them. Quran said: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.(quran2:190)

 

[friendship]

Thanks for this news.I never knew such story because our native news papers do not publish all news in their front page

My friend, these are not news. These are lies.

 

[KingAlfred]

**Wife-Beating in Islam

Hearing his warriors complain that their “women have become emboldened towards their husbands,” Muhammad authorized wife-beating. When the women complained, Muhammad responded, “A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.” On another occasion, he beat his child-wife, Aisha, whom he married when she was six years old, and had sexual intercourse with, when she was nine years old.

One evening, thinking Aisha was asleep, Muhammad left the residence. Aisha, suspicious of his motives for slipping away so late at night, followed him. Later, when Muhammad discovered what she had done, he hit her. “He struck me on the chest, which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?”

By giving male Muslims permission to beat their wives, and by engaging in such egregious misconduct himself, Muhammad made wife-abuse a permanent, powerful and official institution within Islam. For example, the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences reports that 90 percent of Pakistani wives have been physically and sexually abused, for offenses ranging from bad cooking to failing to give birth to male children. **

 

[jakasaki]

My friend, these are not news. These are lies.

You’ve got to be kidding right? Do you live in a cave?

The news article about Saudi Arabia and the girls who were in that school and were burned alive because the “rightious police” would not let them out because of them NOT wearing their burka gear is a REAL STORY and not a lie.

 

[friendship]

I like Planten #3…

I live in a region that when someone uses the word, ‘darling’, they are transvestite comics up on a stage…so I imagine a person with a wig, big red lips, heavy eye make up calling us ‘darling’…

I think it is true and rare that some one from Iran can come on here and use the word love…

I don’t know if the person is female and wears …not a burka…but a chador?..black robe? face not covered…

A number of Muslims are not aware of the suras and hadiths of Medina that have much of the controversial beliefs and actions…

Thank you my friend. I read Quran verses & many hadithes. I can answer you about islamic hijab and chador. But you must know never in Iran they kill a female cause of hijab. In Iranian law if a woman older than 18, come between men without a scarf on head, she may been go to jail for 2 days to 2 monthes or give 5000 tomans to 50000 tomans as amerce.(1$=1000 tomans, all but)
And women don’t must to wear Cador the black clothes. Have a look at theses Iranian girls and women in Iran:

http://www.sharemation.com/jazire/2.jpg
http://www.cinegah.com/NewsImages/nyoosha-zeighami42.jpg

 

[friendship]

What are your reasons to confirm that Muhammad is a prophet of God? I have asked this question so many times and no one will give me a reasonable answer. The best I’ve gotten is that Muhammad was trustworthy in business (which is certainly not a reason to accept someone as a prophet.) So if you can enlighten all of us as to all of the reasons that confirm Muhammad’s prophethood I would appreciate it.

ٌٌHi, I think It is better to talk about this in another topic but we confirm it by his miracles and his live miracle Quran. I think It is better to talk about Quran before.

Thank you

 

[friendship]

Ah yes Jaziah,the sweet word Jaziah.Since non Muslims are animals so they must have to pay Jaziah if they want the protection of their life.BTW,hey if non Muslims will refuse to pay the Jaziah tax then?Will islamic govt cook their flesh after cutting them in piece?Like when cows produce lots of milk that time people take care of them,and when it stop producing milk then they slay the cows and eat their meat.So what will happen if christian or other non muslim animals( definitely we are domestic animals who will pay tax,life saving tax) refuse to produce the milk( Jaziah tax) for the loving and caring islamic govt?will you(Muslims) only withdraw protection, or will cut them in piece?

Look my friend, the Jaziah is not the money they give cause they are not muslims. Islamic Goverment must protect the people. and It gives tax cause the Goverment need money to do this. This tax for muslims was khoms & zakat and from non-muslims was the jaziah. And today in Iran we muslims give the khoms & zakat and a tax but non-muslims just give that tax to goverment. So non-muslims give less money!