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forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6179489&postcount=144What is the reality?How can you prove your claims?How can you confirm that Mohammad is a prophet of God?
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friendship
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Greates of all trhreats for you is following the liars.Greatest of All Threats
We behave as though we’re secure, when in fact we’re not. Presently, an insidious, colossal, violent force rises up around us, increasingly threatening our very existence. It’s more lethal than either Nazism or Communism, and has relentlessly attacked us almost from its very conception, 1400 years ago. This threat, of course, is Islam. Through a combination of large-scale immigration to Europe and Canada, ghetto-radicalization in those countries, and global terrorism, Islam is gradually conquering the West and positioning itself to savage Christianity, if not eradicating it altogether. Islam’s ascendancy in the West will mark the second downfall of Civilization.
these are just claims. many christian misioners are in east and try learn others about christianity. and the christians killed muslim childs and women in Sabra and Shatila. Is it mean that christianity is a threat?! of course not.
Islam don’t accept terrorism. If you knew about islamic stories you must know the story of moslem ibn aghil and obeydollah ben ziad. Obeydollah was moslem’s enemy and was looking for him to kill him. In a time muslim got this chance to kill him in head back. Obeydollah came to his friend’s house and he could kill him from headback. But he remembered a hadith prophet Mohammad said a mulsim never kill some one by terror. So he didn’t killed him and obeydollah went out and later he catched moslem and killed him.
Islam never let us to kill our enemies by terrorism.
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All of us have the right to live. Islam let all people have good life muslims and non-muslims.Your truthful analysis is not going to change anything. This world has to end. There must be armageddon. Without evil there would be no goodness except the churn of the mill. Hell cannot be left empty. God has given man the freewill to perform evil, just remember this. If u dont allow the murderer to KILL, u cannot convict him to the death penalty for murder. And what we really want is for their yeast to leaven and blow up in their faces that their damnation may be eternal. May His will be done. Amen.
And His analysis is not truthful and it is all lies.
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God will answer to liars. In islamic rights woman has some responsibility and if she do not do them, it is “noshuz” the husband can’t beat her. He must at first want him to stop noshuz. If she doesn’t stop noshuz eh can’t beat her again and must sleep without her. and after that if she continue the noshuz, husbend can beat her but with out harming or injuring her. It must done by a calico or toothbrush that don’t injure woman. This beating is a bullyrag and not more. after that if woman continiue that man can’t continiue beating her and must go to canonry and repine her wife.Wife-Beating in Islam
Hearing his warriors complain that their “women have become emboldened towards their husbands,” Muhammad authorized wife-beating. When the women complained, Muhammad responded, “A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.” On another occasion, he beat his child-wife, Aisha, whom he married when she was six years old, and had sexual intercourse with, when she was nine years old.
One evening, thinking Aisha was asleep, Muhammad left the residence. Aisha, suspicious of his motives for slipping away so late at night, followed him. Later, when Muhammad discovered what she had done, he hit her. “He struck me on the chest, which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?”
By giving male Muslims permission to beat their wives, and by engaging in such egregious misconduct himself, Muhammad made wife-abuse a permanent, powerful and official institution within Islam. For example, the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences reports that 90 percent of Pakistani wives have been physically and sexually abused, for offenses ranging from bad cooking to failing to give birth to male children.
But if the man doesn’t do his responsibility the wife at first can go to canonry and repine him and he must go to jail and the wife can leave him.
And you must know that if women be injured cause of this beating, the husbend must pay her a forfeiture called “Dieh”
And you must know men beated their wives when they noshuzed but this orther of Islam orders them to do not this for 2 times and after that don’t injure the woman.
As I said before if some ones don’t follow islam laws it doesn’t mean that islam is bad.
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friendship
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No. I don’t live in cave. In west very girls got raped too.You’ve got to be kidding right? Do you live in a cave?
The news article about Saudi Arabia and the girls who were in that school and were burned alive because the “rightious police” would not let them out because of them NOT wearing their burka gear is a REAL STORY and not a lie.
Islam don’t let men to have sex with girls when they are childs. It’s Islam’s law that they girl must be young and after she accepted the marriage they can have sex with eachother
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friendship
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My catholic friends, I think a topic has enough space to answer all of your question. I invite you to talk about one of your questions about Islam in a new topic.
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The Quran is NOT a miracle. It contradicts previous scriptures - most importantly it denies the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus which was witnessed by many people. Jesus, Himself, foretold His Death and Resurrection. (Mark 8:31-33; Mark 9:29-31; Matthew 16:21-23 just to cite a few.)ٌٌHi, I think It is better to talk about this in another topic but we confirm it by his miracles and his live miracle Quran. I think It is better to talk about Quran before.
Thank you
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friendship
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Isn’t it better to talk about it in another topic?
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friendship
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Quran is a grat miracle. Your Bible is not true. crcifixion is a lie. Jeses Christ didn’t die. God saved him.The Quran is NOT a miracle. It contradicts previous scriptures - most importantly it denies the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus which was witnessed by many people. Jesus, Himself, foretold His Death and Resurrection. (Mark 8:31-33; Mark 9:29-31; Matthew 16:21-23 just to cite a few.)
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Jay53
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The Quran is NOT a great miracle. The Bible is true. The Crucifixion is not a lie. Jesus Christ was Crucified and died and rose from the dead after 3 days - just as He predicted. He ascended into Heaven. There were witnesses to all of these events. Muhammad had no witnesses to his “revelations”.Quran is a grat miracle. Your Bible is not true. crcifixion is a lie. Jeses Christ didn’t die. God saved him.
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planten
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It is good to note that Friendship is back in the forum with love.The Quran is NOT a great miracle. The Bible is true. The Crucifixion is not a lie. Jesus Christ was Crucified and died and rose from the dead after 3 days - just as He predicted. He ascended into Heaven. There were witnesses to all of these events. Muhammad had no witnesses to his “revelations”.
Post of Jay is one sided story. I am sure there was no witness when angel Gabriel visited Mary. There was no witness when angel Gabriel visited Joseph the carpentar, the father of Jesus. Similarly, there were no witnesses and Jesus did not show any sign to the people.
The people had asked for some sign from Jesus.He said “The wicked generation seeks a sign. No sign shall be shown to them except that of the prophet Jonah…” I believe what Jesus said. He did not show any sign to the people. He however revived the spiritually dead people and put new life into them… That was good and great… He organised a very good strong system of bringing people close to God. Those were the miracles. In addition to those was the miracle, similar to the prophet Jonah…
There was nothing else except that he prayed to his God and God saved him from the curse of the death on the cross. That was a miracle. But christians do not believe that.
Muhammad had the greatest miracles, of the Quran and of the liberation of Makkah and of his success in his lifetime and of clearing ( getting rid of) paganism from Arabia and of his having more than 124,000 followers before he died. His followers stood by him and did not desert him. But the bible says that close disciples of Jesus deserted him. That is not true. The Quran denies that.
The Miracles of Muhammad are being fulfilled even today and they will be fulfilled in the future too, till the day of judgement. The miracles of Muhammad have been fulfilled in the persons of his followers too. But there are no more miracles amongt the christians now.
The spiritual line of the church is dried up and the tree has stopped growing for the last 100 years. The growth has slowed down. It was growing and in good spring about 400 years ago. Now we see that the christians are not united in their faith and their effort has also reduced.
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friendship
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Prophet Muhammad didn’t say any thing from himself. He said the God’s message. And we can confirm by your books that crucifixion is not true.
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planten
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J C, I have read the bibleNT gospels. But I cannot remember all. I had noted the miracles of Jesus such as feeding many people with few breads. I believe them. Also I noted about that wine for marriage. That is good.
Muhammad also peformed many unusual miracles. In fact some quite unbelievable miracles are written in the books which I would not be able to mention here.
The Q’uran does not reduce Christ to a somewhat miserable failure. Not at all. You cannot show one bad word about Jesus or his apostles from the Quran. While I can show you quite a few bad words in your bibleNT about the apostles of Jesus.
The Jews and the Jewish nation had rejected Jesus. But Muhammad restored the respect and status of Jesus. He restored the status of John the Baptist too. If Muhammad had not arrived, nobody would have believed in John or Jesus. (Perhaps also Zakariyas too, would have gone un-noticed). It is due to Muhammad that those men were recognised and accepted as prophets of God. Christians should be thankful to Muhammad.
It is only the Muslims who are giving some respect and recognition to Jesus. No other religion or faith gives any respect to Jesus.No other nation or faith gave respect or recognition to Jesus 1400 years ago, except the christians themselves, can you please point out any people, other than christians, who knew or respected Jesus. But Muhammad did it with great power and determination.
Muhammad also peformed many unusual miracles. In fact some quite unbelievable miracles are written in the books which I would not be able to mention here.
The Q’uran does not reduce Christ to a somewhat miserable failure. Not at all. You cannot show one bad word about Jesus or his apostles from the Quran. While I can show you quite a few bad words in your bibleNT about the apostles of Jesus.
The Jews and the Jewish nation had rejected Jesus. But Muhammad restored the respect and status of Jesus. He restored the status of John the Baptist too. If Muhammad had not arrived, nobody would have believed in John or Jesus. (Perhaps also Zakariyas too, would have gone un-noticed). It is due to Muhammad that those men were recognised and accepted as prophets of God. Christians should be thankful to Muhammad.
It is only the Muslims who are giving some respect and recognition to Jesus. No other religion or faith gives any respect to Jesus.No other nation or faith gave respect or recognition to Jesus 1400 years ago, except the christians themselves, can you please point out any people, other than christians, who knew or respected Jesus. But Muhammad did it with great power and determination.
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KathleenGee
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Planten,
There were 4 writers of the Gospels, including St. Luke. He was a physican by profession. He spent time with the Blessed Mother, and she relayed to him the beginnings of the Lord’s life.
Previously, you said we believe in Apostles, too, like they are a god…
Well, the reasoning goes like this…
How sure are you that your parents are really Your parents??? What proof do they have…you could have been adopted…do they have any proof for you…you can remember only back to when you were 2 or 3?
Also, why do you think no Jew or Christian wants to take over the Hajj? Can you answer my question?
If they did such a thing, would you consider it a crime against humanity?
There were 4 writers of the Gospels, including St. Luke. He was a physican by profession. He spent time with the Blessed Mother, and she relayed to him the beginnings of the Lord’s life.
Previously, you said we believe in Apostles, too, like they are a god…
Well, the reasoning goes like this…
How sure are you that your parents are really Your parents??? What proof do they have…you could have been adopted…do they have any proof for you…you can remember only back to when you were 2 or 3?
Also, why do you think no Jew or Christian wants to take over the Hajj? Can you answer my question?
If they did such a thing, would you consider it a crime against humanity?
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friendship
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My friend, At first you must respect our great prophet. We respect your Paul.
Prophet muhammad was a nice man. He was not padophille. He never had sex with a child. his wives except Aysha was old and was married at least one time before marrying him. Aysha accepted Islam 7 years before marriage as Ibn hisham says. If she was just 9 on that time so she must 16 when she married to the prophet and had sex with him when she was 18.
About death of jesus we can talk in another thread.
Prophet muhammad was a nice man. He was not padophille. He never had sex with a child. his wives except Aysha was old and was married at least one time before marrying him. Aysha accepted Islam 7 years before marriage as Ibn hisham says. If she was just 9 on that time so she must 16 when she married to the prophet and had sex with him when she was 18.
About death of jesus we can talk in another thread.
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OK. Sorry my English is not good, but I love to talk to you here. About Quran and it’s miracle and that claim that it never been changed, It’s better talk about it’s miracle first.
Quran have several aspect:
1.Scientific miracles. Quran has many verses whitch we today understand that they say scientific things whitch humen didn’t know before. for example have a look at this verse:
I’m not sure that translation is ok, the arabic verse says that you see at the mountains and you think that they are fixed but they move like cloud.
We know that mountains and the earth are adherent, if some one says mountains move there for he says that the earth moves. Does people of 1400 years ago knew that the earth moves?
2.Belletristic miracle: Quran has a very nice text in arabic. And only art of arabs in 1400 years ago was belles letters. Quran invited arabs in 1400 years ago to give a belles letter like itself. but they couldn’t. We know that miracle is some thing that other people can’t do.
3.Predicts: Quran predicts in several verses. One of them is predict about war between romans and persians in between 3 to 9 years.(Quran30: 2-3)
miracles of Quran have some other ascepts too.
Quran have several aspect:
1.Scientific miracles. Quran has many verses whitch we today understand that they say scientific things whitch humen didn’t know before. for example have a look at this verse:
وَ تَرَى الْجِبالَ تَحْسَبُها جامِدَةً وَ هِيَ تَمُرُّ مَرَّ السَّحاب
(Quran27:88)I’m not sure that translation is ok, the arabic verse says that you see at the mountains and you think that they are fixed but they move like cloud.
We know that mountains and the earth are adherent, if some one says mountains move there for he says that the earth moves. Does people of 1400 years ago knew that the earth moves?
2.Belletristic miracle: Quran has a very nice text in arabic. And only art of arabs in 1400 years ago was belles letters. Quran invited arabs in 1400 years ago to give a belles letter like itself. but they couldn’t. We know that miracle is some thing that other people can’t do.
3.Predicts: Quran predicts in several verses. One of them is predict about war between romans and persians in between 3 to 9 years.(Quran30: 2-3)
miracles of Quran have some other ascepts too.
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planten
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J C, Yes, very well.
The bible says that all disciples fled and deserted Jesus. The Quran says “No. They supported Jesus and stood by him.” So there is some difference.
quote] , is for me a telling difference between the Bible and the Q’uran. The Jews never pretended that David, Solomon or others were incapable of faults and sins when recording their deeds.
The fact remains that Quran never said “Jesus was a liar.” The Quran never said that Jesus was a fraud. A prophet is not an ordinary person. Prophet or messenger has a great status. Quran gives that to Jesus. Jesus was a messenger. He said ( in bibleNT) that he was sent. He was sent by some one. The one who is sent is a messenger with a message. The Quran agrees to it.
Of course Quran and Islam do not give that status to Jesus which the present day christians are demanding. That I admit. Otherwise all is well inthe Quran.
What are the Orthodox? I hope they are christians.You are quite plainly talking nonsense now when you say no other faith or religion gives any respect to Jesus. Even leaving aside the Catholic Church the Orthodox give respect in a similar manner to us to to Christ every time they celebrate a Divine Liturgy. Although I obviously disagree with Protestant Churches they too by their exsistence honour Christ.
I hope they were all christians. Not Jews or atheists or fire worshippers or Hindus. Please bring some non-christian into play.The middle east of Mohammeds’s time was full of states that contained a majority of Christian believers so plainly this is ‘makey-up’ history at it’s finest. What should the inhabitants of those states thank Mohammed for?
Good idea. They were men. Yet there are bad words about the disciples inthe bibleNT.On the other hand, there is no bad word about the disciples in the Quran. Rather there are words in praise of them.The ‘bad words’ about the apostles are I take it you mean those passages which show Thomas doubting, Peter’s courage failing him. That the writers are able to present the apostles as only men, inspired and great men but ONLY men
The bible says that all disciples fled and deserted Jesus. The Quran says “No. They supported Jesus and stood by him.” So there is some difference.
quote] , is for me a telling difference between the Bible and the Q’uran. The Jews never pretended that David, Solomon or others were incapable of faults and sins when recording their deeds.
The fact remains that Quran never said “Jesus was a liar.” The Quran never said that Jesus was a fraud. A prophet is not an ordinary person. Prophet or messenger has a great status. Quran gives that to Jesus. Jesus was a messenger. He said ( in bibleNT) that he was sent. He was sent by some one. The one who is sent is a messenger with a message. The Quran agrees to it.
Of course Quran and Islam do not give that status to Jesus which the present day christians are demanding. That I admit. Otherwise all is well inthe Quran.
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I mean the text whitch is very good like what shekaspear etc wrote.
About scientific miracles, we must think how can Quran such things 1400 years before.
About scientific miracles, we must think how can Quran such things 1400 years before.
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dzheremi
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No we don’t, because an honest reading must lead us to conclude that there aren’t, in fact, any scientific miracles in the Qur’an.
Does the Qur’an have any scientific miracles?
Does the Qur’an have any scientific miracles?
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