The Truth About Islam

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friendship said:
Hi, Thank you. If we try to talk about world in 1400 years ago all countries in Islamic world was Persia, some lands of Byzantine Empire, and Arabia. Only 3 countries. Later in Turks period Turks and Indians added them. In fact we have many scientists in Indians, Turks, Romans and Arabs, except Iranians(Persian)
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All right, but when you say “Roman,” do you mean Byzantine(the Byzantine Empire, of course, was Christian.)?
 
Young_Thinker said:
Yes, but in a no. of countries, one also has to worry about the possibility of really becoming a warrior, since you are an so-called apostates. Any crypto-Christians about whom we do not know?
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I know, for instance, that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, formally a Sunnite, was allegedy one of the Donmeh(Turkish crypto-Jews).
 
friendship said:
Yes. It is like Iran! Iranians always called it “IRAN” but non-Iranians called it “Persia”.
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I thought so(it was, naturally, the* Eastern Roman Empire* long before it was called Byzantine by Western Europeans.) I am an ethnic Iranian and like the name “Persia” but am always reluctant to call myself “Persian” because my patrilineal line is not that(instead being of the Qizilbash).
 
Young_Thinker said:
I thought so(it was, naturally, the* Eastern Roman Empire* long before it was called Byzantine by Western Europeans.) I am an ethnic Iranian and like the name “Persia” but am always reluctant to call myself “Persian” because my patrilineal line is not that(instead being of the Qizilbash).
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That’s good. Persians(we call them parses) was only one of Iranian groops. Other Aryans was Parts and Maads, Some non-known people live in Iran before Aryans.

Qizilbshes’ fathers wasn’t Iranian except a little group of them. They came Iran from other lands and in the priod of Safavid Empire they was Iran’s soldiers.

http://amouzeshelmi.ir/tarikh/1/01/s1.jpg
 
A truth about Islam is that it was begun by a pedophile.
Mohamed and his 6-yr old wives…that’s disgusting :mad:
 
friendship said:
That’s good. Persians(we call them parses) was only one of Iranian groops. Other Aryans was Parts and Maads, Some non-known people live in Iran before Aryans.

Qizilbshes’ fathers wasn’t Iranian except a little group of them. They came Iran from other lands and in the priod of Safavid Empire they was Iran’s soldiers.

http://amouzeshelmi.ir/tarikh/1/01/s1.jpg
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Exactly; they were more Turkic or sometimes Kurdish(and thank you for the picture). Indian Zoroastrians also called Parsees, so since I am in America, I usually do not call “regular” Persians that.
 
John7 said:
A truth about Islam is that it was begun by a pedophile.
Mohamed and his 6-yr old wives…that’s disgusting :mad:
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Hi m.r liar. Let’s have look at your lies:

1.there no wives. Only one wife(Ayshaa) is the one who said she was so young in the time of marriage.
  1. She was not 6. As first history books such as Syarah Ibn Hisham claim she married to the prophet when she was 9 and went to his house 3 years later and then had sex with him, so when she came to prophet Muhammad she must be 12 as such historic books say. And I confirmed before that she most be older on the time of sex:
a.As Syrah Ibn Hisham says she came to Islam 3 years after besat and she married to prophet Muhammad 10 years after Besat. So she came to Islam 7 years before marriage. If she married when she was 9 so she came to Islam when she was 2 and it is impossible because a 2 years old girl can’t understand a relegion to come to it. She must be at least 8 or 9 when came to Islam to can understand what is Islam. So she must at least be 15 or 16 on the time of marriage and be 18 or 19 when came to prophet’s house and had sex with him.

b.Let’s accept she was 9 on time of marriage! In the Islamic law people can marrie a child with his/her father’s permission but they can’t have sex and must wait to child be older and be a young one and If on that age accepted the marriage their marriage is completed and they can have sex with eatchother. So prophet Muhammad on the base of his law couldn’t have sex with Ayshaa.

So your claim is another lie.

Now let’s read the Bible:

David had sex with wife of Uriah and after did let his husband be killed:(2samuel11:2-27)

Judah had sex with his daughter in law and she bore 2 boys for him!(Genesis38:6-27, 1Chronicles2:3-4)

Abraham married his sister and had sex with her and she borned Issac for him(Genesis20:12, Genesis17:16)

Lot had sex with his girls and they bore 2 boys for him!(Genesis19:30-38)

Solomon loves women very much and had 1000 wives!!!(1kings11:1-4)

I think it is better you talk about prophets who your Bible talks about!
 
friendship said:
Hi m.r liar. Let’s have look at your lies:
B]Abraham married his sister and had sex with her and she borned Issac for him
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(Genesis20:12, Genesis17:16)
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Well, Abraham lied about Sarah being his sister(I forgot in which chapter of Genesis that appears, though); I think that they were actually cousins. Isaac did the same thing with Rebekah(claiming that she was his sister).
 
Young_Thinker said:
Exactly; they were more Turkic or sometimes Kurdish(and thank you for the picture). Indian Zoroastrians also called Parsees, so since I am in America, I usually do not call “regular” Persians that.
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We are All humen, nationality is not important. Impportant thing is friendship and loving eachother.

And a point I don’t know you know or not is:

Parsees=Persians (parsees=parsis; parsi is the Iranian name of them) and Kurds are Aryan, Maads was Their fathers. Modern Maads are Kurds and Lors.
 
Young_Thinker said:
Well, Abraham lied about Sarah being his sister(I forgot in which chapter of Genesis that appears, though); I think that they were actually cousins. Isaac did the same thing with Rebekah(claiming that she was his sister).
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Abraham said that when he didn’t need lie to save his life:

1And Abraham journeyed from thence toward the south country, and dwelled between Kadesh and Shur, and sojourned in Gerar. 2And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah. 3But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man’s wife. 4But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, LORD, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation? 5Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this. 6And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her. 7Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine. 8Therefore Abimelech rose early in the morning, and called all his servants, and told all these things in their ears: and the men were sore afraid. 9Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.** 10And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What sawest thou, that thou hast done this thing? 11And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife’s sake. 12And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
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He didn’t need lie for second time, cause he didn’t fear! If he lied in this condition so I’ll ask you: Why did God choose such a liar as a prophet?!

On the other hand this story is lllogical. Sarah on that time was 90 years old.(Genesis17:17) Whitch crazy one may kills someone for his 90-years old wife?!
 
Magdi Allam made the point several years ago that if anything could provide true common ground for discussion between Christians and Muslims, it would be the person of Mary. Then, some time later, he converted to Christianity.

Another miracle of the Holy Mother of God, I’d say. 🙂

Oh, Mother of God
 
First of all, you don’t know what you’re talking about
friendship said:
Hi m.r liar. Let’s have look at your lies:

1.there no wives. Only one wife(Ayshaa) is the one who said she was so young in the time of marriage.
  1. She was not 6. As first history books such as Syarah Ibn Hisham claim she married to the prophet when she was 9 and went to his house 3 years later and then had sex with him, so when she came to prophet Muhammad she must be 12 as such historic books say. And I confirmed before that she most be older on the time of sex:
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how do you know, were you there watching him have sex with this underage girl?
a.As Syrah Ibn Hisham says she came to Islam 3 years after besat and she married to prophet Muhammad 10 years after Besat. So she came to Islam 7 years before marriage. If she married when she was 9 so she came to Islam when she was 2 and it is impossible because a 2 years old girl can’t understand a relegion to come to it. She must be at least 8 or 9 when came to Islam to can understand what is Islam. So she must at least be 15 or 16 on the time of marriage and be 18 or 19 when came to prophet’s house and had sex with him.
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This is just Hishmam and your theory. Again were you actually there when he was having sex with this 9-yr old? NO!
b.Let’s accept she was 9 on time of marriage! In the Islamic law people can marrie a child with his/her father’s permission but they can’t have sex and must wait to child be older and be a young one and If on that age accepted the marriage their marriage is completed and they can have sex with eatchother. So prophet Muhammad on the base of his law couldn’t have sex with Ayshaa.
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Who says Moohamed followed his own laws, again were you there when this was taking place
So your claim is another lie.
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No its not, you just don’t know what you’re talking about as is clear from this post.
Now let’s read the Bible:
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yea, lets
David had sex with wife of Uriah and after did let his husband be killed:(2samuel11:2-27)
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NOT pedophilia
Judah had sex with his daughter in law and she bore 2 boys for him!(Genesis38:6-27, 1Chronicles2:3-4)
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NOT pedophilia
Abraham married his sister and had sex with her and she borned Issac for him(Genesis20:12, Genesis17:16)
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NOT pedophilia
Lot had sex with his girls and they bore 2 boys for him!(Genesis19:30-38)
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NOT pedophilia
Solomon loves women very much and had 1000 wives!!!(1kings11:1-4)
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AT LEAST THEY WERE OF AGE!!! because he was a man
I think it is better you talk about prophets who your Bible talks about!
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OK there…:rolleyes:
 
John7 said:
First of all, you don’t know what you’re talking about

how do you know, were you there watching him have sex with this underage girl?

This is just Hishmam and your theory. Again were you actually there when he was having sex with this 9-yr old? NO!

Who says Moohamed followed his own laws, again were you there when this was taking place

No its not, you just don’t know what you’re talking about as is clear from this post.

yea, lets

NOT pedophilia

NOT pedophilia

NOT pedophilia

NOT pedophilia

AT LEAST THEY WERE OF AGE!!! because he was a man

OK there…:rolleyes:
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👍

Oh man, I haven’t laughed this hard on CAF in a very long time!! 😃
 
I’ve read all of Plantens posts except the ones with the “wittle little bit fonts” in red.

I ignore those altogether. And yes, I agree with your last statement…! 👍
 
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