The truth about Mary Magdalene & Cain

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What does Genesis 4:15 mean? I thought Cain and Abel were the only children of Adam & Eve so they would be the only people in existence? Yet the Lord says:“Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.
 
IIRC, there’s a later verse saying that Adam and Eve would end up having a third child. But as for who would be around to want to kill Cain, I don’t know.
 
Seth was Adam and Eve’s third son. As far as where did people come from, we must remember that Adam and Eve lived to be very old, Adam living to 930 years of age. Who knows how many kids Adam and Eve had, let alone how many their kids had?

At any rate, this is from St. Augustine:

As, therefore, the human race, subsequently to the first marriage of the man who was made of dust, and his wife who was made out of his side, required the union of males and females in order that it might multiply, and as there were no human beings except those who had been born of these two, men took their sisters for wives,—an act which was as certainly dictated by necessity in these ancient days as afterwards it was condemned by the prohibitions of religion . . . and though it was quite allowable in the earliest ages of the human race to marry one’s sister, it is now abhorred as a thing which no circumstances could justify. (The City of God XV.16)

Edit: reference here:

catholic.com/quickquestions/adam-and-eve-had-three-children-cain-able-and-seth-who-married-and-had-children-whom-
 
My opinion is that Adam and Eve were two real historical persons. But the named succession of generations after them may skip some generations. The first 11 chapters of Genesis are highly figurative. Perhaps Cain and Abel were not literally the direct descendants of Adam and Eve, but later descendants. Similarly, Jesus is said to be the “son of David”, even though David is a distant ancestor.
 
CRATUS said:
What does Genesis 4:15 mean? I thought Cain and Abel were the only children of Adam & Eve so they would be the only people in existence? Yet the Lord says:“Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.
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My belief is that the Genesis 4 is symbolic, and intended to teach about mankind’s relationship with God and with one another, not to teach history.

But what does any of that have to do with Mary Magdalene?
 
TMC said:
My belief is that the Genesis 4 is symbolic, and intended to teach about mankind’s relationship with God and with one another, not to teach history.

YUP.

But what does any of that have to do with Mary Magdalene?
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I’m wondering that also. :confused:
 
Wasnt there a city starting with “N” ( cannot recall the cities name), somewhere close to the garden of eden? Seems like I remember reading about it, and the question came up about how can there be another city, when theres only supposed to be 4 people in existence…??
 
BChartowski said:
Seth was Adam and Eve’s third son. As far as where did people come from, we must remember that Adam and Eve lived to be very old, Adam living to 930 years of age. Who knows how many kids Adam and Eve had, let alone how many their kids had?
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Gen 5:4 The days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years; **and he had other sons and daughters. **
 
CRATUS said:
What does Genesis 4:15 mean? I thought Cain and Abel were the only children of Adam & Eve so they would be the only people in existence? Yet the Lord says:“Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.
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What is your point or question about Mary Magdalene?
 
mikekle said:
Wasnt there a city starting with “N” ( cannot recall the cities name), somewhere close to the garden of eden? Seems like I remember reading about it, and the question came up about how can there be another city, when theres only supposed to be 4 people in existence…??
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Gen 4:16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, east of Eden. (RSV)

Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the face of the Lord, and dwelt as a fugitive on the earth at the east side of Eden. (DR-Haydock)

Near as I can tell, the Hebrew and Greek do not include “land of”; they both just say “Nod” – “dwelt in Nod”. Also, the word translated as “east of/side” is the word for “opposite” or “over against” or “before; in the sight of”.
 
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Gen 4:16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, east of Eden. (RSV)

Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the face of the Lord, and dwelt as a fugitive on the earth at the east side of Eden. (DR-Haydock)

Near as I can tell, the Hebrew and Greek do not include “land of”; they both just say “Nod” – “dwelt in Nod”. Also, the word translated as “east of/side” is the word for “opposite” or “over against” or “before; in the sight of”.
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Yes…Nod…thank you. this is where Cain met his wife as well…also interesting, as it shows, his wife would have had to have parents, grandparents, etc etc.

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I’m just saying this from my personal view, but a person under the influence of seven demons is probably going to do lots of things.
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
I’m just saying this from my personal view, but a person under the influence of seven demons is probably going to do lots of things.
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You have no basis for such a view. Neither Scripture not the Church teaches that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute.
 
mikekle said:
Yes…Nod…thank you. this is where Cain met his wife as well…also interesting, as it shows, his wife would have had to have parents, grandparents, etc etc.

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There’s nothing in Scripture that says he met her in Nod, at least not that I’m aware of.
She would either have been his sister or niece, or grandniece…
 
The text in Luke says that the woman who anointed Jesus’ feet was a sinner. A person with seven demons would certainly be involved in a lot of sins.
 
tee_eff_em said:
That is true. But the gospels of both Luke and Mark attest that she had had seven demons cast out.

Still waiting. 🍿

tee
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I agree but what does that have to do with prostitution? How can people conclude that?
 
thistle said:
I agree but what does that have to do with prostitution?
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Nothing, so far as I can tell. What did it have to do with prostitution when [user]JB Brother 4446[/user] wrote
JB_Brother_4446 said:
I’m just saying this from my personal view, but a person under the influence of seven demons is probably going to do lots of things.
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???
:confused:

I suppose *“lots of things” *might include prostitution, but it is very non-specific. It might also include committing murder, picking her nose, cooking unclean foods, stealing to feed her family, committing genocide, speaking impolitely, taking candy from babies, gossiping about the local rabbi, and …well… "lots of things" 🤷
thistle said:
How can people conclude that?
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It seems pretty well established that Pope St Gregory the Great did much to spread such speculation, with or without canonical support. cf. Wikipaedia

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tee
 
tee_eff_em said:
Nothing, so far as I can tell. What did it have to do with prostitution when [user]JB Brother 4446[/user] wrote

???
:confused:

I suppose *“lots of things” *might include prostitution, but it is very non-specific. It might also include committing murder, picking her nose, cooking unclean foods, stealing to feed her family, committing genocide, speaking impolitely, taking candy from babies, gossiping about the local rabbi, and …well… "lots of things" 🤷

It seems pretty well established that Pope St Gregory the Great did much to spread such speculation, with or without canonical support. cf. Wikipaedia

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tee
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I know but his opinion was pretty widely dismissed and never taken up by the Church.
 
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