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tee_eff_em
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Of course it was never taken up by the Church!
You may say it was pretty widely dismissed, but it seems to me to be pretty widely, persistently, and perniciously accepted.
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You may say it was pretty widely dismissed, but it seems to me to be pretty widely, persistently, and perniciously accepted.
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steve53
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Perhaps people are mistaking the “seven demons” with the “seven deadly sins.”
If Mary was guilty of all seven sins, then certainly sexual wantoness would be one of them- for pay or favors or not.
But the modern accepted “occultist” view of demons is that are simply ghosts- lost souls whose bodies have perished but who have chosen not to ascend up towards the “light” of higher dimensions. They wander the earth because they are still chained to believing in the importance of earthly desires.
Like I said, this is what SOME people believe.
Now if someone is weak or vulnerable, the spirits can enter into them and “possess” them.
This is based on the concept of an electromagetic feild surrounding every living thing which gives it protection and preserves energy. This is called the Aura, and some people claim to be able to see them. We don’t need to go into details.
Again, this is not what I believe.
Even today, there are people- “healers”- who have special rotating crystal based devices that somehow alter the individual auric field and can expel these wandering souls- which today are called “entities” and in Jesus’ time called “demons.”
I know one of these healers and he said some people who are weak and vulnerable- especially recovering addicts- can have as many as 30-40 entities existing as psychic parasites within their energy fields.
I have also talked to people who have undergone this type of “exorcism” and felt quite a bit better and more relaxed.
But this could be the placebo effect.
Whether this is how Jesus worked is open to question. But today in our free-wheeling western culture a troubled young woman harboring 7 entities is probably not unusual.
However, that might have more remarkable in Jesus’ time, where Jewish culture was more sedate.
But even with seven entities, that does not make Mary a prostitute by any stretch- though it is within the realm of possibility. It all depends on the “affliction” of the entities.
Just sayin’…
If Mary was guilty of all seven sins, then certainly sexual wantoness would be one of them- for pay or favors or not.
But the modern accepted “occultist” view of demons is that are simply ghosts- lost souls whose bodies have perished but who have chosen not to ascend up towards the “light” of higher dimensions. They wander the earth because they are still chained to believing in the importance of earthly desires.
Like I said, this is what SOME people believe.
Now if someone is weak or vulnerable, the spirits can enter into them and “possess” them.
This is based on the concept of an electromagetic feild surrounding every living thing which gives it protection and preserves energy. This is called the Aura, and some people claim to be able to see them. We don’t need to go into details.
Again, this is not what I believe.
Even today, there are people- “healers”- who have special rotating crystal based devices that somehow alter the individual auric field and can expel these wandering souls- which today are called “entities” and in Jesus’ time called “demons.”
I know one of these healers and he said some people who are weak and vulnerable- especially recovering addicts- can have as many as 30-40 entities existing as psychic parasites within their energy fields.
I have also talked to people who have undergone this type of “exorcism” and felt quite a bit better and more relaxed.
But this could be the placebo effect.
Whether this is how Jesus worked is open to question. But today in our free-wheeling western culture a troubled young woman harboring 7 entities is probably not unusual.
However, that might have more remarkable in Jesus’ time, where Jewish culture was more sedate.
But even with seven entities, that does not make Mary a prostitute by any stretch- though it is within the realm of possibility. It all depends on the “affliction” of the entities.
Just sayin’…
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thistle
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Not by the Church and that is the only thing that counts!Of course it was never taken up by the Church!
You may say it was pretty widely dismissed, but it seems to me to be pretty widely, persistently, and perniciously accepted.
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JB_Brother_4446
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Just stating my assumption.
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tee_eff_em
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Okay. Then it doesn’t matter if [user]JB Brother 4446[/user], or you, or I, or Pope St Gregory the Great, or anyone else proclaims Mary Magdalene was a prostitute, as long as we know the Church does not do so.
Good, we can drop the subject then.
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LilyM
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Back to Cain and Abel - there is nothing in scripture to indicate that Adam and Eve had no other adult children at the time Cain killed Abel. It is most likely that the inhabitants of Nod might want to kill Cain precisely because they were related and so would want vengeance for Abel’s murder.
As for Cain’s wife, it is entirely possible they.were related. We know that Abraham and Sarah were half-siblings, he admits as much Pharaoh while hiding the fact that she is also his wife. It seems to have been an issue, like polygamy, that only became unacceptable in later times.
As for Cain’s wife, it is entirely possible they.were related. We know that Abraham and Sarah were half-siblings, he admits as much Pharaoh while hiding the fact that she is also his wife. It seems to have been an issue, like polygamy, that only became unacceptable in later times.
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thistle
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Correct. Baseless speculation is useless and the only thing that matters is what the Church teaches. The Church does not teach that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute so yes that should be the end of it.
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John_Martin
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Well, think a bit about this, and about the Catholic families you know who have children just reaching adulthood. What do you see in that “average family’s” pew at Mass? - 4, 5, or more children?
Then consider it would take several years for a person to be given his first flock of his own sheep from his father or his first plot of farmland and clearing of that land. All the while his sisters are reaching adulthood.
Now back to Cain and Abel - that is happening with them before the first offerings to the LORD. And Adam and Eve continue to have more children, I would guess girl children, or Scripture would have listed the names (boy children get more publicity there). And even after the tragedy of Cain killing his brother, Adam and Eve live long, long lives, still having more children.
Cain probably was already married, and providing for his family with the first harvest of his crops, because it only states that he brought “an offering”, not the “first fruits”. I will guess that at the time of the offering from Abel, since it was the firstborn of his sheep, he was just starting out, and was not yet married - he was giving his whole life back to God (for there is no guarantee of a second lamb after a first lamb - he is loving God by giving himself to God). I will also guess that Abel was aware of his brother’s offering, realizing that it was not right - Life is from God, and we, therefore, should give our whole life to God, since we are in the image and likeness of God. That is the sacrifice we offer at Mass today - Jesus is our life, and we are offering him to the Father, “sacrificing our only hope of life, Jesus”.
So, it is very easy to think of Cain having a wife and family when you realize that these few verses in Genesis actually lasted probably more that twenty to thirty years…
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JB_Brother_4446
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I’m just stating his assumption and why I think that. Is there anything wrong with what I said?
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