The truth - is the church still proclaiming it?

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It is commonly known that the media and the news outlets are not a reliable source of information. One can’t hope for anything related to “truth” to emerge from these sources. The same is the case with our educational institutions that are determined to brainwash our kids.
As Catholics leave their faith in millions, where is the church when it comes to proclaiming the truth? Is there any truth left in the church, or is it up to the media and the educational systems to inform the faithful what is or isn’t true?
Do you think that your pastor, your bishop or your pope are still proclaiming the truth of Jesus Christ?
 
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Do you think that your pastor, your bishop or your pope are still proclaiming the truth of Jesus Christ?
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Yes, they all are.

How about your parish and diocese?

What do you think is the best way for faithful Catholics to proclaim truth?
 
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Of course, it is up to our shephards to lead the flock and proclaim the one truth to Catholicism. My question is what happens when the message gets changed, depending on the venue, the topic, or the speaker? It seems that the message coming from the leadership of the church today stands in contrast to the message of the last two popes or indeed the magisterium. Hence my original question.
 
Catholics are leaving the faith in millions? Do you have a source for this?
 
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It seems that the message coming from the leadership of the church today stands in contrast to the message of the last two popes or indeed the magisterium. Hence my original question.
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It seems to me there is a lot of politics in the message the bishops proclaim – and a lot of factual error. Our bishop, who apparently believes we’re all a bunch of snuff-dipping fundamentalists, published an editorial assuring us the Earth is 14 billion years old.

Try this; enter “How old is the Earth” in your search engine.
 
Pew research: n contrast with the unaffiliated, Catholicism has experienced the greatest net losses due to religious switching. Nearly a third of all U.S. adults (31.7%) were raised Catholic, and most of them continue to identify as Catholics today. But nearly 13% of all Americans are former Catholics – people who no longer identify with the faith despite having been raised in the Catholic Church. By comparison, there are far fewer converts to Catholicism; 2% of all U.S. adults now identify as Catholics after having been raised in another religion or without a religion. This means that there are more than six former Catholics for every convert to Catholicism. No other religious group analyzed in the survey has experienced anything close to this ratio of losses to gains via religious switching.
 
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Try this; enter “How old is the Earth” in your search engine.
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No thanks. I’m not going to feed the outrage.

Bishops have written good things. I’ll read them.

Bishop Robert Barron wrote recently about Catholics leaving the Church, and what we can do about it: Letter to a Suffering Church. That’s we, as in you and I. Get yourself a copy and read it.

If he is too “liberal” for you, try Archbishop Charles Chaput’s book, Strangers in a Strange Land: Living the Catholic Faith in a Post-Christian World.

Have you any other reading recommendations? I’m always looking for a good book.
 
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ontheway1 said:
It is commonly known that the media and the news outlets are not a reliable source of information. One can’t hope for anything related to “truth” to emerge from these sources. The same is the case with our educational institutions that are determined to brainwash our kids.
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No, it is not “commonly known” at all. It is certainly asserted by some.
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As Catholics leave their faith in millions, where is the church when it comes to proclaiming the truth?
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What a strange question. The Catechism is available for all to read. I think we all know where the Church stands on “the truth”.
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Is there any truth left in the church, or is it up to the media and the educational systems to inform the faithful what is or isn’t true?
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Huh?
ontheway1 said:
Do you think that your pastor, your bishop or your pope are still proclaiming the truth of Jesus Christ?
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Of course they are.
 
ontheway1 said:
It seems that the message coming from the leadership of the church today stands in contrast to the message of the last two popes or indeed the magisterium.
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Perhaps you don’t understand the message.

Some specifics would help, these vague allegations are a waste of time. You have an issue, spell it out.
 
Yes, I hear the truth preached daily at Mass, by the celebrant and by Jesus Christ Himself in His Word and His Eucharist. We are all called upon to strive for holiness so as to be able to discern truth from lies. This has been true in all ages. Before pointing fingers at anyone, make sure you are going daily to the source of Truth and adhering to Jesus.
 
Yes, it can always be proclaimed better, clearer, more meaningfully tho.
 
The Church holds the fullness of Truth, I think in the area of proclaiming it, the Church has entered a time of muted theology.
 
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As Catholics leave their faith in millions, where is the church when it comes to proclaiming the truth?
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I received Jesus Christ in the Eucharist today at Mass just fine and I didn’t hear anything untrue in the homily about today’s Gospel.

I suspect something similar happened at the other two dozen Masses in my local area today.

I don’t have time to care what the media have to say about it, or about much of anything.
 
Of course it is.
However, I will admit, the Church in recent years has made some confusing “truths” , as in, they can certainly be interpreted in different ways. Sometimes I wish there was more clarity in statements made. It’s always like, a statement is made, people question that it goes against the historic Church teaching and want more emphasis on that. The Church says nothing is changed. Someone else says it is a new teaching. The Pope says it is not and JP2 said the same thing. Bishops say it is wrong. Others say it is right. Noone knows for sure what the truth is. Seriously, this is the impression I have gotten over some statements in the past years.
 
I feel like some are proclaiming the (fullness of truth). Others, seemingly a majority, proclaim (partial)truths.
 
Some Bishops and priests water down the truth, while some laity do not listen to the truth, and yet even more want to make their own truth.

I’m sorry, but if you walk away from the Holy Eucharist then you have walked away from THE TRUTH. What happens upon the altar is not dependent on how liberal or conservative the Priest may be, it’s not dependent on liturgical music or even if 75% in the pews lack faith in the Real Presence. If you put ANYTHING before the Holy Eucharist then you are putting your own truth before the BODY & BLOOD that died for you. There is no excuse worthy of abandoning the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus go chasing after the largest crowd of disciples to walk away from Him as recorded in John chapter 6, verse 66??? No He didn’t, rather He upped the truth by asking the Apostles, whom He had chosen Himself, if they too wanted to leave because His truth was so hard to accept. If you do not know this as a Catholic then you have not taken the time to learn your faith, that’s not on the clergy, that’s on you.

The bottom line, the Church proclaims the Truth, those who have ears ought to listen!
 
The Church includes the laity, right? Let’s proclaiming the truth to everyone, and encourage our priests and bishops in their efforts.
 
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