The truth on Calvin? Advice needed.

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I have a friend who left the Catholic church for fundamentalism 5 years ago. She went to a Calvinist church/group. A Mormon missionary told her Calvin had people burned at the stake and drowned. It was from a book “Leaving the Fold”.

Now my friend is about to convert from Protestainsim to LDS. Getting further from Christianity. Can anyone provide sources that refute these claims about Calvin?

I’ve been on the net and some places say he did have people executed and drowned and others deny it. I’d be shocked if this was true but…

I want the truth - whatever it is. I need an authentic source on Calvin’s time in Geneva.
 
I have a friend who left the Catholic church for fundamentalism 5 years ago. She went to a Calvinist church/group. A Mormon missionary told her Calvin had people burned at the stake and drowned. It was from a book “Leaving the Fold”.

Now my friend is about to convert from Protestainsim to LDS. Getting further from Christianity. Can anyone provide sources that refute these claims about Calvin?

I’ve been on the net and some places say he did have people executed and drowned and others deny it. I’d be shocked if this was true but…

I want the truth - whatever it is. I need an authentic source on Calvin’s time in Geneva.
They are referring to Servetus, who had a death sentence from all the state churches. The Genevan Government executed him, but Calvin could have stopped. Such deaths no more invalidate his teaching than the Inquisition invalidates Rome. You can’t expect medievel people to have american sensibilities.
 
I am not positive about Calvin, but basically during the time of the Reformation people were executed by all sides. Catholics executed Protestants, Protestants executed Catholics, Anglicans executed both Catholics and Protestants. All for the “crime” of heresy and all in the name of God. It was not a pleasant time to be a dissenter wherever you were.
 
Your friend should also know that Brigham Young & other early Mormon leaders had people executed…It was the “Wild West”, but still…If that is the thing that she is upset about, she needs to know that most religious groups have, at some time in history, behaved very badly…
 
A Google search will turn up a number of sites with biographies of Calvin, but none will ‘prove’ that he did not do something. Moreover, as other posters have mentioned, a lot of religious leaders did bad things in their time.

All that aside, I think that it might be useful for you to 1/ pray lots, 2/ ask your friend what the basis of her faith is, and 3/ pray lots.

Fundamentalism is about the text, not the theologian, which makes it peculiar that someone should convert from that to a religion which replaced the text entirely.

If you can find out what she is seeking, you will have a better idea of how to help her.
 
I have a friend who left the Catholic church for fundamentalism 5 years ago. She went to a Calvinist church/group. A Mormon missionary told her Calvin had people burned at the stake and drowned. It was from a book “Leaving the Fold”.

Now my friend is about to convert from Protestainsim to LDS. Getting further from Christianity. Can anyone provide sources that refute these claims about Calvin?

I’ve been on the net and some places say he did have people executed and drowned and others deny it. I’d be shocked if this was true but…

I want the truth - whatever it is. I need an authentic source on Calvin’s time in Geneva.
The Genevan government burned Michael Servetus at the stake, after Calvin accused him of heresy (he denied the Trinity). Contrary to the stereotype, Calvin did not run Geneva, but he was the religious leader and had huge influence (roughly equivalent to the role of the Pope or an archbishop in a traditional Catholic country–i.e., there was a church-state distinction, but the Church was extremely powerful).

The whole fracas allegedly started while Servetus was living at Lyons in Catholic France practicing medicine. A young man from Lyons had become a Protestant and was studying at Geneva. His mother was writing anguished letters to him begging him to renounce his “heresy.” To which the young man responded that Catholics at Lyons were in no position to criticize the Protestants as heretics, because one of the most notorious heretics in the world was living at Lyons. The Catholic lady made inquiries and discovered that this was so, and Servetus was denounced to the Inquisition. (This at least is the account I’ve read in a secondary source–I haven’t read these letters myself and don’t know for sure that this was the cause.) As a result, Servetus was condemned to be burned at the stake and had to flee France. For some strange reason, he chose to pass through Geneva, and actually went to hear Calvin preach. This was really stupid because Calvin had been denouncing Servetus as a heretic for years. He had said in a letter to a friend (though Servetus probably didn’t know this), “I hope he never comes to Geneva, because if he does it will be my duty not to let him leave alive.” Sure enough, Calvin accused Servetus of heresy before the Genevan government (which according to Genevan law meant that Calvin had to go to jail until the trial), and Servetus was condemned. Calvin wanted him beheaded, but the civil government chose to go with tradition and had him burned alive. Most church and state leaders (Catholic or Protestant) approved of this at the time.

Some other people were executed for “blasphemy,” but I believe there were political issues at stake there (they had tried to overthrow the government as well as the religious regime). Another guy named Jerome Bolsec was imprisoned for attacking Calvin’s doctrine of predestination. There’s some speculation that Calvin may have wanted to have him executed, but in this case the other Reformed leaders in the area protested that this was a relatively minor, speculative issue and Bolsec was released.

Unlike the Swiss Reformed city of Zurich, Calvin’s Geneva did not (as far as I know) drown Anabaptists. Calvin attacked the Anabaptists in print but dealt relatively gently with them in practice.

Essentially Calvin’s attitude to religious freedom did not differ much from that of the Catholic Church.

If your friend wants to become Mormon because she’s fed up with the violent past of orthodox Christianity, she should look into Mormon history a little more closely. If I’m not mistaken, early Mormons in Utah had people executed for religious reasons, and I’m pretty sure that they had death squads that killed people perceived to be enemies of the church. Mormonism is not the place to go if you want to get away from a history of religious violence. Has she looked into the Mennonites?

Edwin
 
I would be even better if she looked again at the Catholic Church. This might be an opening to suggest that.
 
Thanks for the info.

The other thing she said is that Calvin had adulteres tied together and drowned in the rive at geneva. Is thee any truth to this.

The sad thing is that, if Catholic and portestant leaders had people burned or drowned, how different is that from what Muslims, some do, except on a smaller scale?

By that argument, the current abberation of Islam is no different than that of Catholics and Protestants in the past. It does not take away from its potential as the “true” religion if the same things did not do so for Catholicsism and Protestanism.

As I get older I find myself losing some “need” for organized relgion. I have doubts too and wonder if all - from Catholic to Protestant to Muslim - have not got it totally right.
 
The Genevan government burned Michael Servetus at the stake, after Calvin accused him of heresy (he denied the Trinity). Contrary to the stereotype, Calvin did not run Geneva, but he was the religious leader and had huge influence (roughly equivalent to the role of the Pope or an archbishop in a traditional Catholic country–i.e., there was a church-state distinction, but the Church was extremely powerful).

The whole fracas allegedly started while Servetus was living at Lyons in Catholic France practicing medicine. A young man from Lyons had become a Protestant and was studying at Geneva. His mother was writing anguished letters to him begging him to renounce his “heresy.” To which the young man responded that Catholics at Lyons were in no position to criticize the Protestants as heretics, because one of the most notorious heretics in the world was living at Lyons. The Catholic lady made inquiries and discovered that this was so, and Servetus was denounced to the Inquisition. (This at least is the account I’ve read in a secondary source–I haven’t read these letters myself and don’t know for sure that this was the cause.) As a result, Servetus was condemned to be burned at the stake and had to flee France. For some strange reason, he chose to pass through Geneva, and actually went to hear Calvin preach. This was really stupid because Calvin had been denouncing Servetus as a heretic for years. He had said in a letter to a friend (though Servetus probably didn’t know this), “I hope he never comes to Geneva, because if he does it will be my duty not to let him leave alive.” Sure enough, Calvin accused Servetus of heresy before the Genevan government (which according to Genevan law meant that Calvin had to go to jail until the trial), and Servetus was condemned. Calvin wanted him beheaded, but the civil government chose to go with tradition and had him burned alive. Most church and state leaders (Catholic or Protestant) approved of this at the time.

Some other people were executed for “blasphemy,” but I believe there were political issues at stake there (they had tried to overthrow the government as well as the religious regime). Another guy named Jerome Bolsec was imprisoned for attacking Calvin’s doctrine of predestination. There’s some speculation that Calvin may have wanted to have him executed, but in this case the other Reformed leaders in the area protested that this was a relatively minor, speculative issue and Bolsec was released.

Unlike the Swiss Reformed city of Zurich, Calvin’s Geneva did not (as far as I know) drown Anabaptists. Calvin attacked the Anabaptists in print but dealt relatively gently with them in practice.

Essentially Calvin’s attitude to religious freedom did not differ much from that of the Catholic Church.

If your friend wants to become Mormon because she’s fed up with the violent past of orthodox Christianity, she should look into Mormon history a little more closely. If I’m not mistaken, early Mormons in Utah had people executed for religious reasons, and I’m pretty sure that they had death squads that killed people perceived to be enemies of the church. Mormonism is not the place to go if you want to get away from a history of religious violence. Has she looked into the Mennonites?

Edwin
Have her go to the Quakers or Unitarian-Universalists or Mennonites. She won’t have a lot of choice among denominations which haven’t been involved in cruelty of some kind.
 
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