If you read the entire speech of Judge Burke, what she criticizes is the obstinacy of American bishops in dealing with the scandal and their refusal to accept criticism. That’s not dissent as to teachings or morals.You are forbidden to present dissent as Catholic teachings and morality.
That all well and good and debatable.If you read the entire speech of Judge Burke, what she criticizes is the obstinacy of American bishops in dealing with the scandal and their refusal to accept criticism. That’s not dissent as to teachings or morals.
I for one am firmly convinced that the only way to get to the bottom of the sex scandal in the United States is to appoint a special federal prosecutor and to treat the whole matter as a conspiracy case a la Rico. It will be brutal but it can be done if it is done the right way and someone like Patrick Fitzgerald, the current prosecutor for Northern Illinois, or Gary Collins, now in private practice could do it.If you read the entire speech of Judge Burke, what she criticizes is the obstinacy of American bishops in dealing with the scandal and their refusal to accept criticism. That’s not dissent as to teachings or morals.
Also, all the claims of being straight-laced and reputable kind of unravel if you dig a little bit into the figures surrounding Mrs. Burke’s career. She’s married to the infamous Alderman Ed Burke. As chairman of the judicial slating committees of Cook County’s Democratic Party, Mr. Burke makes it his business to seat judges that promote gay marriage, abortion, and other forms of intrinsic evil and depravity.
He’s arguably the most powerful man in Cook County, inheriting control of the corrupt Cook County machine from Alderman Fred Roti - a close friend and colleague in addition to being an indicted mobster! He’s also worked on on behalf of Tony Rezko.
There is also a standing complaint against Mr. and Mrs. Burke by the Illinois Family Court Accountability Advocates. The Burkes are also implicated in the corruption of the Cammon and Remy Murder Cases and Mrs. Burke herself was quoted as saying, “My husband was the one who put you on the bench,” when trying to coerce Judge Cieslek off the case so it could be handed to Judge Maloney, who is said to have fixed the case.
When asked to response to these claims from “When Corruption Was King,” by Robert Cooley the Burke’s have given “no comment.” Mr. Cooley, by the way, is a “former criminal attorney who was responsible for the FBI investigation, Operation Gambat, which resulted in the successful prosecution and conviction of three judges, one alderman, several attorneys, and multiple other Circuit Court of Cook County and City of Chicago officials.” The Burkes have not sued for defamation or denied the allegations. .
The use of the subjunctive above is brilliant, but, as the son of a long time precient captain, I can tell you that information about how the “Democratic Organization” operates is sorely lacking. However, this thread is not the appropriate place for a primer on Chicago Democratic politics. The rest of the material is less than accurate. For example, the Burkes could not sue anybody even if they wanted to; the libel laws work against any public figure in cases like this. And Mr. Cooley is a criminal attorney in the literal sense of the phrase; he got caught and provided just enough information to mitigate his punishment. I could go on and on, but this thread is really getting off track.Also, apparently Mrs. Burke took $30,000 in compensation for acting as a lobbyist while she was a sitting judge.
I don’t think the snippet I posted attacks the cardinal on anything other than his relations with the abuse committee. It also does not denigrate the bishops’ teachings. And you could always check the links for more pearls from Justice Burke.Unfortunately the only excerpts you saw fit to reproduce here in your original post are the ones where she explicitly attacks Archbishop Chaput and implicitly denigrates the USCCB’s teachings on the moral obligations of Catholic politicians in public life.
Look, let’s leave off the ad hominem and discuss the issues, OK? There’s a forum rule about that.Then you compound the problem by trying to instill some greater moral reputation and authority in her …
Not if they got in by Machine politics.Judges are straight-laced.
I’ve never made a statement regarding your person or character. I’ve only criticized the legitimacy of the arguments you have presented within this threat. That is, by definition, not an ad hominem logical fallacy. Ad hominem requires denigrating the person making the argument instead of addressing the argument, not simply saying “[Person X], you’re making an invalid argument because of [false / illegitimate] [assumption / assertion].”Look, let’s leave off the ad hominem and discuss the issues, OK? There’s a forum rule about that.
Actually, you made some irrelevant remarks about a learned woman’s background.I’ve never made a statement regarding your person or character. I’ve only criticized the legitimacy of the arguments you have presented within this threat.
Well, the justice follows Church teaching – she just had some pointed remarks about her experience close up with the abuse scandal.Appeal to authority fallacies are all to commonly at the root of many matters of grave scandal or ever outright heresy against the teachings of the Church.
I think that there is an amount of wisdom in her words here. When it comes to sexuality and especially dealing with evil sexual impulses, the tendency is always to hide, to cover up what we cannot bear to have others look at. I suppose it has been thus since the times of Adam and Eve.Let me be very clear: Truthfulness would have stopped the tragedy of sexual abuse by the clergy; truthfulness would have prevented the erosion of faith for many in the aftermath; truthfulness would have stabilized victims when they reported abuse; and truthfulness would have brought a fuller healing and dignity to those most hurting after going unheard or vilified for years. And truthfulness would have stopped the crisis brought on by the financial settlements that already have bankrupted some dioceses in our nation.