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Seamus_L
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I’d be happy to tell them what they can do with their whole Europhobic agenda.
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Catholic1954
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I lost interest when I saw St. Junipero Serra’s name on the list. 
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phil19034
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There was a statue of St. Junipero Serra which had “murder” spray painted on it.I lost interest when I saw St. Junipero Serra’s name on the list.
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mikekle
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Why stop at SF, look at what the US Govt did to the Native Americans…and we celebrate this same Govt today??
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phil19034
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I meant “murderer”There was a statue of St. Junipero Serra which had “murder” spray painted on it.
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Tarpeian_Rock
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From what Ive read of life on various reservations, that would be “still doing.” And if one wants to pursue that process, one could invoke the Japanese citizens’ internment during WWII. And many other things as well. But down that path lies, in effect, an American version of the “Red Guards” movement tearing everything down because the past is imperfect. In my area, should Plymouth Rock be destroyed - such a symbol of European invasion and hegemony in North America - as is the “Mayflower II.” Guess it should be sunk, and while we’re doing that, “Columbus Day” needs to go completely (as it already has in some places), and with it, that “Thanksgiving” myth clearly covers-up the subjugation of the Native Americans in pre-Colonial Massachusetts - maybe just re-name it “Macy’s Parade Day,” which many folks already relate to better anyway. And as long as we’re purging the Columbus legacy, there are those rascally Catholics harboring those “Knights of Columbus” - and are responsible for Junipero Serra too! Clearly someody needs to get the Southern Poverty Law Center on speed dial and get that better publicized; so much apparently needs to be torn down in the name of “purifying” the country . . . . . . . . … . . .
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ctb95
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To be fair, many who are listed did some pretty vile things. But their criticisms of St. Junipero Serra and Lech Waslea are ridiculous.
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venite_adoremus
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Matthew 7:3-5.
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Vonsalza
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Judging to people of yesteryear by contemporary standards is the absolute height of anachronism. Genuinely stupid thing to do as you’d probably have held the views of that day if you lived then/there.
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mikekle
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Also makes you wonder what people 50-100 yrs from now, will be saying about the times we live in now.
So true.
Also curious is the selective nature of the targets. We don’t hear about FDR and the internment of Americans. His image is everywhere.
We don’t hear about Woodrow Wilson, who pretty much resurrected the KKK.
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hu324b
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The Alt left politically correct revisionist movement has come up from the States into Canada they want to rip down statues remove names from streets and buildings - the want to judge those in the past by today’s standards - pretty well no one from both the USA and Canada’s past can live up to this political correctness of today. Instead of learning from our history they want to wipe it out from public view.
The book burning will begin pretty soon too.
History is to see both the good and the bad and to learn from it if its revised with only people who can live to today’s standard how can we learn from it.
Enough already! What is wrong with these people?
The book burning will begin pretty soon too.
History is to see both the good and the bad and to learn from it if its revised with only people who can live to today’s standard how can we learn from it.
Enough already! What is wrong with these people?
What’s wrong with them? They are fascistic statists. Free speech is not part of their philosophy. Their intention is to tear down western civilization historically, culturally, governmentally.
It is pretty simple to see that they, and their political cousins in the alt-right, are the same as the Brownshirts and red shirts of the early 1930’s. True liberals, those who cherish liberty and western civilization, which includes conservatives, have an obligation to oppose both, and side with neither.
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Bradski
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Lets say that some foreigner came to your area and took your lands by force. He ignored all your claims to the land and when you decided to fight against him, he killed some of your family and friends. Then he hung them from trees as a warning against further uprising.
As it turned out, he made good use of the land and improved it. Mostly to the benefit of his own countrymen. You and your family and others like you suffered the consequences. You didn’t come out of it well.
Some time later, someone decided to erect a statue to this guy. Just look at the improvements he made. Look at the progress. I mean, where would we have been if we just left it to Jon and those like him.
Do you think having a discussion as to whether it is right to honour this guy in such a way is valid?
Oh please. I worked for years on a reservation. I know first hand the issue with Christopher Columbus. But having a discussion and rioting in the streets, destroying private and public property are two different things.
I’m curious about the double standard. We’re not seeing protests against Democrats such as Andrew Jackson, perpetrator of the forced removal, Woodrow Wilson, progressive hero and responsible for the resurgence of the KKK in the 1920’s, and FDR who interned thousands of American citizens simply because of their nation of origin.
Now it is true that virtually all of the statues and monuments of Confederacy are honoring Democrats, but we don’t hear about that, either. But the Confederacy is not the real target. The real target is our system of government and economics, and our individual rights
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hu324b
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St Paul was once known as Saul - held the cloak’s while the people stoned St Stephen - he hunted down Christians for persecution before his conversion - should we have a discussion on removing him and his letters from the bible - by your standards this discussion should happen and St Paul should never be honored in anyway because of what he did and be completely removed from the bible because of his earlier actions.
So I will ask the same question: Do you think having a discussion as to whether it is right to honour St Paul and have his letters in the Bible is valid?
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mikekle
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I wouldnt say govt is a target anymore, as the US has been a tyrannical govt for some time, but its going to extremes now, dividing the people against themselves in order to bring about a stricter authority, more of a police state than it is now, all done masquerading as ‘national security’ or for the health and safety of everyone.
If you can fool majority of people into believing tyranny is actually in their best interest and being done for their safety, (but not calling it tyranny)…well, that pretty much ensures there will never be any kind of revolution by the people. Plus, the very few people that do try to speak out about this and/or take action to stop it, they are labelled as domestic terrorists…not patriots…?? (that alone should be a huge red flag).
Ive said it before, what this ‘govt’ has accomplished is really amazing and quite clever, its something the founding fathers could have never foreseen and guarded against, if this same tactic had been used by England, I really believe there would have never been an american revolution, they would have had everyone fooled into thinking accepting and living under a monarchy was the best thing for them and health and safety of the society.
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Bradski
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Indeed they are. But I didn’t give that as an option. I just want to know if you think a discussion as to the merits of honouring certain people is a good thing. Seeing as you are keen on freedom of speech, I would have assumed you’d think it was.
And I wasn’t talking about Mr. Columbus. There are places in the world outside American borders.
I think a free exchange of ideas is always a positive.
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